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Hello all,
I seem to remember stumbling upon a list of piano pieces rated by difficulty many moons ago, and was hoping that someone here may be able to point me towards something similar. The list that I remember had them rated from 1-10 with a few levels beyond 10 for those extra difficult pieces.
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I saved the PDFs of those lists to another machine, and unfortunately there are no guides or indexes on the Piano World site showing anyone where to find them. The links have been posted on various messages, but I really think the site owners need to ceate a "resources" page and post the links there. It's as if you have to know some "secret handshake" to get at them.
There are two files--one by level and the other by composer.
The list is quite interesting, but there are some odd omissions. For example, the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata isn't listed (the second movement is given as a level 8), which was a disappointment to my wife who played it many years ago. And the Clementi Sonatina 36/1 isn't listed either, although maybe it's so obviously a level 2 (or whatever) that the compilers didn't see any point in including. it. Nonetheless, it's a very interesting reference, and I hope someone will make the link public and permanent so that we don't have to keep recreating forum searches we made months ago to find them the first time.
Current Pieces: Clementi--Sonatina in C (op.36, no.1) Lynes--Sonatina (op.39 no.1) Burgmuller--"L'Harmonie des Anges" Bach--Prelude No. 1 (WTC Book 1)
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Here is the file I think you are talking about. Pieces by difficulty There are also a handful of books out there that have this information. One of them is available for free online viewing (although a couple of people reported they had problems getting their password from the website). http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/iol/Rich
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Thanks for posting the file. That will come in handy.
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I agree that this should be in the important topics post. I guess the moderators don't agree, but we can keep asking. I notice that some of the other forums (Piano, Pianist Corner) have an FAQ just for that forum. Maybe that would be a good place to sticky a post referring to this list.
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DPP:
What's the significance of the little piano and "martini glass" looking symbols below your name in your signature?
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Scruffies,
The "martini glass" looking symbol is a red dot medal awarded to participants in the ABF quarterly recital. I'll post links to the images after the recital for any new participants. I have one for each recital I entered. There is also a gold medal symbol that stands for 10 recitals. It's hard to believe that in just a couple of weeks I'll be able to upgrade to a gold medal. Yippee.
The pianos are for live recitals I've performed in. (These were under my teacher.) I won't be adding one this spring, as he has decided not to hold a recital.
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Thank you for the links, Dragon. :]
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Maybe we need to create our own list as the one list just seems crazy in its omissions and in its ratings in some cases.
Schumann Arabeske -> 6 Schumann Pleading Child Op 15 No 4 -> 6
No way are those two on the same level. While there are subtleties in interpretation in Pleading Child, it doesn't seem to be technically on the same planet as Arabeske, I've seen Arabeske on British Columbia's repetory at grade 10. I don't think it's grade 10, but it's a bit more than 6. Probably 8 just given the length and fingering issues. I would rank Pleading Child around 2 given that Opus 15 No 1 is 4 and No 2 is 6 on that list.
I'd be willing to mock up some HTML or just straight text and dump it on box.net if people want to send me what they know. Maybe the composer, title, opus and number, grade and the reference for the grade?
We could split composers by starting letter to keep the lists shorter as it gets longer.
As mentioned, these are questions that get asked a lot and the sources around are pretty varied and the grades vary a lot in some cases.
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I'll be happy to send you what I know. I looked at this list after reading the posts here, and there are quite a few rankings I don't understand. Plus, I would think it would make more sense to rank the movements of sonatas separately. I am playing both the Revolutionary Etude and Mozart's Sonata K. 332 right now, and I can attest that they should not be ranked the same. Movement 3 of the Mozart might be close, but movements 1 and 2 are probably 5 or 6. I guess they've given the sonatas the ranking of the most difficult movement.
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Thanks for the explanation DPP... well earned indeed!
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@NancyM333: sure, send them my way. I can piece together what everyone knows or thinks and just post a link to box.net for now. Here's a trial sample with a few pieces pushed in. At least it would be on-line searchable and not PDF. graded pieces list
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That pdf list is frankly ludicrous.I've just finished Chopin op 9 no 3 which it grades 10 wheras Beethoven's Hammerklavier, which is so scary that I've never even looked at it, it grades an 8.In my judgement op 9 no 3 should be about 7 or 8 and the Hammerklavier should be a 10.The whole list is riddled with anomalies.
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^Partly why I'd like to get everyone who knows some stuff to try to piece some stuff together. Especially for those who have the ABSR or other country equivalent grade books. It would be a useful resource for us looking for similar graded stuff or stuff that's a just a little more effort than what we're comfortable with. Personally, I'm comfortable around the 6-8 range depending on the style. Some things are just a struggle for me regardless. I'm sure I'd have problems with a grade 2 Bach piece for instance. Apologoies to Johann. I love the music. I just can't play it to save my life.
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Very tired at the moment but I'm currently aiming for RCM's grade 6 exam. Will compare RCM's list to the list in the PDF when I have time. If I'm not mistaken, I think I saw Debussy's Arabesque No. 1 under grade 6 while RCM lists it under grade 10 or some other grade beyond my reach right now.
Thanks for the links! My knowledge is limited but I'm also interested in making our own list (if our forum didn't come up with that list in the PDF in the first place).
Bach - BWV847 P&F in Cm Bach - BWV861 P&F in Gm Mozart - K397 Fantasia in Dm Mozart - K475 Fantasia in Cm Chopin - Nocturne in C#m Debussy - La fille aux cheveux de lin Debussy - Golliwogg's Cakewalk Hofmann - 37-1 To the Lute Gade - 19-2 Scherzo Chopin - 25-12 Ocean Chopin - 25-1 Aeolian Harp
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Thanks for the links Here is the ABRSM's current syllabus http://www.box.net/shared/1eesnozxyg
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^I'm looking through the ABRSM list right now and trying to merge it in. I updated the document with most of the lists from the three older books I've got from the RCM (Royal Conservatory, Toronto, Canada.) I don't think Chopin Op. 28 No. 6 is Grade 8. Maybe Grade 6.5, but 8 it is for now. I think it's 6 in the unknown origin .pdf file.
I also shoved a link to the document into my signature.
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Thanks for the links! My knowledge is limited but I'm also interested in making our own list (if our forum didn't come up with that list in the PDF in the first place).
The source of those lists is a bit sketchy--they seem to have been posted during an earlier stage of this site's development, but as I pointed out earlier, there is just a link to the file--no page explaining who compiled it, and by what criteria etc. That would be helpful, along with formal avenue for user contributed input (such as this thread!) I think you can find out who posted them by searching the posts, but that would take some time. So, I too like the idea of a user contributed/edited/compiled grade list, using ABRSM or other standard grade assignments as a guideline for well known pieces. For one thing, it would show how real players (and teachers) perceive the relative difficulty of pieces often encountered in the most commonly available classical collections. For example, I was surprised when my teacher told me that many of these so-called "easy" collections often underestimate the challenges of many baroque period pieces (e.g. Bach/Anna Magdalena pieces--"those books are not edited by teachers!" she says) Indeed, I have found that the more modern "easy" pieces, for example, in the Young Pianist's Library (Agay, ed.) are in fact easy for me, while the baroque era pieces which feature more independent lines are not so easy! Evidently, teachers know that counterpoint is more of a challenge for players at my level, whereas editor seem to just count the number of notes per bar. I'm glad the challenge is there, but it can be discouraging when you find yourself struggle with a piece that some editor says is "easy!"
Current Pieces: Clementi--Sonatina in C (op.36, no.1) Lynes--Sonatina (op.39 no.1) Burgmuller--"L'Harmonie des Anges" Bach--Prelude No. 1 (WTC Book 1)
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Where are my manners? Thanks for the link NancyM333. If anyone's interested I think the pieces listed here for the certificates for the British Columbia Conservatory of Music seem fairly reasonable, but I think there are some issues in the comparison from RCM and BC to ABRSM. It's the main reason I list the source for the grade level in the file. That way, when someone thinks BC is a grade or a grade and a half too high they can adjust on their own knowing the source.
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I have to say that this is a much more enthusiastic response than I had anticipated. When I have some spare time, may I alphabetize each grade as well? I presume that the preferred method would be alphabetical by composer?
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