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#1201623 - 05/18/09 04:39 PM When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions?
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I am thinking of starting learning them. My choir director said highschool, my assistant choir director said 7th grade.

When (in school grades or years of piano instruction) did you start learning Bach's Inventions?
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#1201627 - 05/18/09 04:44 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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In France, to get accepted into the conservatory a kid has to be able to play them at 10 years old.

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#1201640 - 05/18/09 05:14 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: landorrano]
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Many years ago I started the first after about 4 months of lessons. (I was 14 and had already taught myself how to read music before I started lessons.)
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#1201654 - 05/18/09 06:07 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: DameMyra]
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I would not worry about the age you start them. There is always going to be someone younger or what not who did it. I was about 16-17 when I started on them. Though I started classical music pretty late.

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#1201663 - 05/18/09 06:25 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: jdhampton924]
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Bach is actually Baroque, but whatever LOl.......
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#1201730 - 05/18/09 08:04 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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i started learning a Bach invention around the 2nd year of learning to play. Bach inventions look easy but are actually pretty hard to any beginners.


Edited by signa (05/18/09 08:05 PM)

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#1201768 - 05/18/09 09:17 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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Originally Posted By: survivordan
Bach is actually Baroque, but whatever LOl.......


Because he did not capitalize "classical," we can deduce that he was talking about western art music, which J.S. Bach indeed falls under. So, yes, Bach's music is "classical".

Get a life.

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#1201891 - 05/19/09 01:32 AM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Deux Arabesques]
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I recall that I started the Two Part Inventions in 8th grade - after about 4 years of lessons. Never learned the entire set. but I still warm up with Invention No. 8.
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#1201907 - 05/19/09 02:39 AM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: carey]
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The teacher I had for the first 8 years or so wasn't so good (although she meant well, bless her heart). I didn't get the 2-part inventions, but for some reason she loved one of the toccatas and had me work on it. She also had me playing Beethoven sonatas and Chopin etudes without being remotely prepared for them.

Then I switched to a somewhat better teacher who stopped all that nonsense (what a shock!) and gave me 2-part inventions, which I couldn't play very well because I didn't have the technical basis for them. It was very frustrating. It just didn't make sense to me that what seems like such dinky little pieces could be so hard. Plus, the music itself didn't interest me very much. I guess I was around 14 or 15.

Now, around forty years later, I enjoy playing them a lot, and have in the last few years been working on technique enough so that I actually can play some of the ones that I had such trouble with as a teenager reasonably well, at long last.


Edited by wr (05/19/09 02:40 AM)

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#1202053 - 05/19/09 10:19 AM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: wr]
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I got it a year after. I was really suprised, I really love invention 8 and I thought it was too soon. I will work really hard in music, the invention is really tough.

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#1202256 - 05/19/09 03:41 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: ahvat]
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I was 16 or 17 years at the time, and I was "self-taught" so it was only a couple months after I started with my first real teacher.

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#1202284 - 05/19/09 04:23 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Deux Arabesques]
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Originally Posted By: Deux Arabesques
Originally Posted By: survivordan
Bach is actually Baroque, but whatever LOl.......


Because he did not capitalize "classical," we can deduce that he was talking about western art music, which J.S. Bach indeed falls under. So, yes, Bach's music is "classical".

Get a life.


That was quite rude.
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#1202295 - 05/19/09 04:56 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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Originally Posted By: survivordan
Originally Posted By: Deux Arabesques
Originally Posted By: survivordan
Bach is actually Baroque, but whatever LOl.......


Because he did not capitalize "classical," we can deduce that he was talking about western art music, which J.S. Bach indeed falls under. So, yes, Bach's music is "classical".

Get a life.

That was quite rude.

You should check out some of his other 20 posts and see what's been directed at me. frown

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#1202300 - 05/19/09 05:13 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: sotto voce]
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No. 8 was the first piece I ever studied outside my lesson books at 2 years in to study. I was 11 (in 6th grade), and my keyboard had that piece as a prerecorded performance. I also studied No. 1 and No. 15 soon after. Some day I should probably go back and learn some other ones. There's so much wonderful literature and so little time in each day!
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#1202370 - 05/19/09 07:36 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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Originally Posted By: survivordan
Originally Posted By: Deux Arabesques
Originally Posted By: survivordan
Bach is actually Baroque, but whatever LOl.......


Because he did not capitalize "classical," we can deduce that he was talking about western art music, which J.S. Bach indeed falls under. So, yes, Bach's music is "classical".

Get a life.


That was quite rude.


No, it's rude to not thank someone for giving an answer to your question, instead trying to make some pithy correction that ultimately isn't even correct.

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#1202384 - 05/19/09 07:59 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Deux Arabesques]
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Words fail me...
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#1202388 - 05/19/09 08:05 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Horowitzian]
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Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Words fail me...

Well that's why you have music right? Alternative forms of expression. laugh Choose your instrument wisely!
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#1202422 - 05/19/09 08:53 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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Originally Posted By: Ridicolosamente
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Words fail me...

Well that's why you have music right? Alternative forms of expression. laugh Choose your instrument wisely!


Indeed.



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#1202433 - 05/19/09 09:21 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Deux Arabesques]
survivordan Offline
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[/quote]

some pithy correction that ultimately isn't even correct. [/quote]

How J.S. Bach isn't Baroque, I don't know.
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#1202738 - 05/20/09 11:38 AM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: survivordan]
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Started with No. 4 and No. 1 in high school, age 16... and that was a good long few years ago. Still working on them. Yes, they look easy to read, but are not so easy to play. My piano tech made the same comment about the Beethoven Sonatas.

"Classical" is a somewhat elastic idea to many people. Yes, J.S. Bach represents the pinnacle of the High Baroque, though he kind of bridges over periods, and in a way transcends them, too.

Is it really worth a fuss? Any chance he would care at all?
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#1202747 - 05/20/09 11:51 AM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Jeff Clef]
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I started these in 6th grade, so I must have been 12 at the time. I think it all depends on the dexterity of the student. I loved the structure of the Inventions and they were a nice break from the Clementi exercises.
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#1202829 - 05/20/09 02:25 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Robin Spielberg]
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Well... to correct myself before I get in trouble: in his Introduction to the anthology of works from the Baroque Period, Denis Agay remarks that the works of the sons of J.S. Bach might be placed either in the classical or the baroque periods. Not quite the same thing as placing the father there.
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#1204882 - 05/23/09 10:08 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: ahvat]
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Here a few of the two part inventions appear on Level 7, though most are Level 8 (there are 12 levels here for piano). I love the number 4 in D minor, and have learned most of it.

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#1204898 - 05/23/09 10:58 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: musiclady]
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Originally Posted By: musiclady
Here a few of the two part inventions appear on Level 7, though most are Level 8 (there are 12 levels here for piano). I love the number 4 in D minor, and have learned most of it.

Meri

Invention in F No.8 is in a grade five level book that I have, go figure. I learned 3 of these in high school and played 2 of them for college auditions, as this was a minimal requirement back in the day. I understand now you have to play WTC. Inventions are wonderful exercises, once you learn them they are in your hands forever.
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#1205530 - 05/25/09 02:46 PM Re: When di you learn Bach's 2-Part Inventions? [Re: Barb860]
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I agree with you, Barb860.
Wonderful exercises yet composed beautifully.
I recently discovered that I can play Mozart sonata No 8 (I have been working on it for a while) much better, seems I have overcome some technical difficulties after learning some Bach Inventions. Feels like I am killing two birds!!(I know. What a horrible English expression!)
I am determined to learn all Inventions and then start on Sinfonias.
I am done with about two thirds of Inventions now.

Oh, to anwer the original question, I think I started learning Inventions millions years ago when I was about 8 or so. My teachers' routine then was Hanon-Bach-and some sonatas mostly by Mozart. I quit lessons after about 10 years (on and off).
Surprisingly, some Bach Inventions like No 8, 1 and 3 were still in my brain and fingers, so didn't take long to relearn at all.
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