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#1205262 - 05/24/09 09:42 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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It appears to me the European players put too much effort into making a "pure" and "beautiful" sound. This affects the flow of music. You can not play a whole concert using nothing but "pure" and "beautiful" sound. The net effect will be boring and a lack of contrast.
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#1205295 - 05/24/09 10:57 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: newport]
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Someone was coughing like a madman during Ning Zhou's (not that great, in my opinion) performance of the Miroirs towards the end.

Why is it that I can go weeks without hearing a single person coughing yet when you're in the recital hall suddenly everyone has a bad cold.
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#1205310 - 05/24/09 11:51 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Theowne]
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Vacatello: jaw-dropping Petroushka. She was truly stunning. What amazing technique and gorgeous sound! Very impressive.

I must say that the European Schools of piano ruled the day (perhaps the competition so far) with the Czech Vondracek and the Italians Deljavan and Vacatello.


Edited by Andromaque (05/24/09 11:56 PM)

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#1205313 - 05/24/09 11:58 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Andromaque]
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Did I forgett to mention mechanical? That seems to be in the European tradition too.
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#1205314 - 05/25/09 12:00 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: newport]
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Originally Posted By: newport
Did I forgett to mention mechanical? That seems to be in the European tradition too.


I'm listening to Vondracek again, and I must confess I cannot understand where you are coming from. confused
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#1205317 - 05/25/09 12:05 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Theowne]
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Originally Posted By: Theowne
Why is it that I can go weeks without hearing a single person coughing yet when you're in the recital hall suddenly everyone has a bad cold.


I remember when I was in High School and was part of a combined (over multiple schools) choir of several hundred singers. To make a point, the conductor did a warmup exercise involving leaving out various notes from rapidly sung scales(e.g. do-silence-me-fa-so-la-ti-do). The point was that even though each individual singer got almost all of the silences correct, for most of our first few runs at least one person sang the omitted note. As everyone else was silent, that one person resounded over them.

It's the same way at a concert. Even if each individual person manages to hold in their coughing with only a single exception over the course of 3 entire hours of recitals, the net result will be a chorus of coughing.

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#1205345 - 05/25/09 03:16 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: bplary1300]
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Originally Posted By: bplary1300
I was sort of iffy about Tierra at first but his Ginastera was fantastic! Myer was excellent, very solid performance of the Vine.


He played great, but his program was a heavy one.

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#1205353 - 05/25/09 04:48 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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It seems that the powers that be at the Cliburn have decided to no longer tell us who the teachers of the competitors are. Hmmm...I guess I'll just have to assume that they are all students of jury members.

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#1205365 - 05/25/09 06:46 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
It seems that the powers that be at the Cliburn have decided to no longer tell us who the teachers of the competitors are. Hmmm...I guess I'll just have to assume that they are all students of jury members.


Now there's someone who knows the competition business.

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#1205387 - 05/25/09 09:13 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: landorrano]
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I wondered about that yesterdy. In my Memorial weekend idleness, I tallied up the schools of the competitors (undergraduate and graduate). Well 10 have been or are at Juilliard, 6 at Curtis and one each at Oberlin, Eastman, Manhattan School and Yale.
US schools are the most represented (14) followed by Germany (5, 3 of which are the Hanover Hochschule) and Russia (3).
Each of Italy, Japan and China had 2. (The numbers do not represent individual competitors; some went to 2 or more schools).

Most interesting though is the fact that at least 2 of the competitors (Di Wu and Soyeon Lee, both of whom are Cliburn returnees)are being taught by a Jury member, Kaplinsky!! And there is no discussion that I noticed about how the Cliburn Foundation handles this gross conflict of interest!.

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#1205401 - 05/25/09 10:14 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
It seems that the powers that be at the Cliburn have decided to no longer tell us who the teachers of the competitors are. Hmmm...I guess I'll just have to assume that they are all students of jury members.


There are at least two members on the panel that have several students in this time. It's less blatant than in 2005, but what can you do?

My picks for the semis so far:

Beus
Dank
Myer
Tsujii
Vacatello
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#1205428 - 05/25/09 11:37 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Do you mean Kalichstein? Who are his students?
Who are Dank and Varvaresos' teachers?


Edited by Andromaque (05/25/09 11:38 AM)

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#1205441 - 05/25/09 12:12 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Andromaque]
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Generally the Cliburn handles students of jurors by simply forbidding jurors from scoring their own students. Since the voting is also done without discussion (each juror just gives each competitor a score from 1-25 and a computerized averaging system kicks in), jurors don't have too much opportunity to push their own students before votes are in.

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#1205443 - 05/25/09 12:13 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I'll agree, and add Vondracek and Wu. If I were on the jury, I'd also vote for Kunz, but his program was, well, a bit controversial, and the Bach didn't capture quite the same magic that the Haydn and Scarlatti did.

Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: wr
It seems that the powers that be at the Cliburn have decided to no longer tell us who the teachers of the competitors are. Hmmm...I guess I'll just have to assume that they are all students of jury members.


There are at least two members on the panel that have several students in this time. It's less blatant than in 2005, but what can you do?

My picks for the semis so far:

Beus
Dank
Myer
Tsujii
Vacatello
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#1205458 - 05/25/09 12:33 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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I saw Vondracek live in my city performing the Prokofiev 2 last year - unbelievable. Apparently his parents were both pianists and he started at age 2? Talk about grooming.
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#1205505 - 05/25/09 02:14 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: LeOniuS]
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those who're self-taught earlier on should see some hope from Feng Zhang, who taught himself to play from age 9, and only started having a teacher later at 15. from what i see, he has such great techniques and the best trills in this competition.

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#1205550 - 05/25/09 03:20 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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...he has such great techniques and the best trills in this competition...

I have been quite satisfied by the well executed trills of all the competitors. Nothing irritates me more than a poorly executed trill.

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#1205555 - 05/25/09 03:30 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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best Mozart so far from Bozhanov... his playing is captivating. no wonder my teacher mentioned him.

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#1205562 - 05/25/09 03:41 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Distortion still there. What a shame.

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#1205566 - 05/25/09 03:44 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Liked Bozhanov's Mozart until he got to the final movement, where it felt some of the dance-like character was being lost due to his habit of connecting everything together even through rests on the score.

That character I was looking for came back with interest in the Chopin Rondo though.

Originally Posted By: babama
Distortion still there. What a shame.


I've switched to the KTCU feed, which seems to have better sound.


Edited by kcostell (05/25/09 03:47 PM)

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#1205573 - 05/25/09 03:56 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'll agree, and add Vondracek and Wu. If I were on the jury, I'd also vote for Kunz, but his program was, well, a bit controversial, and the Bach didn't capture quite the same magic that the Haydn and Scarlatti did.


Yeah, Kunz was great until the Chaconne. He seemed to lose concentration and couldn't regain it, though. Vondracek's personality and playing were compelling, but I wasn't blown away by him. Di Wu's Haydn was so frustrating. The second movement was one degree shy of Prokofiev!

YMMV, of course.
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#1205575 - 05/25/09 03:59 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Originally Posted By: kcostell
[...]
Originally Posted By: babama
Distortion still there. What a shame.


I've switched to the KTCU feed, which seems to have better sound.


Where might I find that?
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#1205577 - 05/25/09 04:00 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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http://www.ktcu.tcu.edu/

audio-only, unfortunately

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#1205579 - 05/25/09 04:01 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Can't find a single reference there to the Cliburn. frown
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#1205580 - 05/25/09 04:03 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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Click on "turn it up...listen live" in the upper right

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#1205581 - 05/25/09 04:04 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I found Myer a bit too restrained, aloof, too clean-cut..
My picks so far :
Vondracek
Vacatello
Beus
Tsujii
Kunz (may be.. weirdprogram. but leaves yo uwanting to hear more)
Deljavan
Bozhanov ( a poet and a master sound maker..)

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#1205584 - 05/25/09 04:06 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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I've been watching and listening to the competitors off an on. Does everyone get a standing ovation? It seems so.
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#1205585 - 05/25/09 04:08 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: BZ4]
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if i would pick only one, that'd be Bozhanov, who's just fantastic.

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#1205586 - 05/25/09 04:09 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Andromaque]
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Bozhanov's Chopin Sonata was frustrating for me. It had some of the loveliest moments I've heard so far (the entire 3rd movement) as well as some that just did not work for me at all (the way he barreled through the 2nd movement, and some of what he tried in the final movement). I'd still like to see him through to the next round, just because I want to hear more of how he approaches things. (EDIT: Especially now that I've seen he's scheduled to play Schubert's D960 in the semis...the first movement should be extraordinary).

I'm actually surprised he hasn't programmed any Rachmaninov in his solo recitals. It seems like his sound would be very suited to that.


Edited by kcostell (05/25/09 04:18 PM)

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#1205589 - 05/25/09 04:14 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Bulgarians like Russians are always good at Rachmaninov. they're pretty much share the same Russian style.

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