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Perhaps too "individualistic" for some people's tastes (and in all likelihood, the jury's), but not "poor" by any stretch. It's poor by my stretch. Being "individualistic" does not shield a performer from being called out on what I consider a poor performance. I could go up on stage and play the whole piece pianissimo and that would be individualistic. From what I heard, it was an occasionally beautiful performance covered with all-too-frequently-messy playing, and judging by the blogs, there's quite a few people who agree. Well, we can agree to disagree. I'm just not overly picky about wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness; what's important to me is the overall musical effect, and he had that down in spades. Perhaps that's why I love Horowitz so much! 
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Eek! What the heck happened @ the end of Vacatello's 1st movement??
Agree. They didn't end together.
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Eek! What the heck happened @ the end of Vacatello's 1st movement??
Agree. They didn't end together. Yep. I couldn't tell whose fault it was, but if it was Conlon he needs to get his act together. This is a piano competition, not a conducting competition.
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Do orchestras get tired? Maybe it's unusual for an orchestra to play all day, day after day, and sloppiness creeps in eventually. This is I presume a respectable mid-level American orchestra, but they are sounding ragged and careless as the night wears on. Not very fair to the pianists, but what's the alternative?
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Hire the NY Philharmonic?
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I'm just not overly picky about wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness Just to be clear, my (and others) issue with his performance is not just about "wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness".
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Eek! What the heck happened @ the end of Vacatello's 1st movement??
Agree. They didn't end together. Yep. I couldn't tell whose fault it was, but if it was Conlon he needs to get his act together. This is a piano competition, not a conducting competition. That's my point exactly. If the pianist feels he/she should crawl into the piano and take a nap, the conductor should let them. It's all about how the pianist interprets the score. You better believe orchestras get tired.
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She's doing great despite the orchestra....
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Vacatello's Prok 3 ... It's all in the execution... A mostly conventional interpretation, nothing overtly individualistic there, no excessive showmanship, just brilliant, BRILLIANT execution by the pianist. Orchestra and piano were out of sync a few times... mostly because the orchestra failed to keep up. Though I had hoped that the pianist would have adapted to accommodate the orchestra's deficiencies by the 2nd and 3rd movement. Even so, Prok 3 definitely pwned Rach 2 tonight. 
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I'm just not overly picky about wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness Just to be clear, my (and others) issue with his performance is not just about "wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness". I said we could agree to disagree. End of story. 
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Can I ask a favor here???
Flying to NY tomorrow for a week at the factory...chops improvement etc...
Can someone PM me with results/comments please...
I'll have an iPhone, that's all...I get in to NY around 7.30pm local...
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Vacatello's Prok 3 ... It's all in the execution... A mostly conventional interpretation, nothing overtly individualistic there, no excessive showmanship, just brilliant, BRILLIANT execution by the pianist. Orchestra and piano were out of sync a few times... mostly because the orchestra failed to keep up. Though I had hoped that the pianist would have adapted to accommodate the orchestra's deficiencies by the 2nd and 3rd movement. Even so, Prok 3 definitely pwned Rach 2 tonight. I have to agree, on the grounds that Rach 2 isn't exactly the flashiest concerto from the pianist's point of view. Perhaps Bozhanov's major fault was trying to "make the music better than it is". Despite the orchestra's problems, Vocatello did a fantastic job!!
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I'm just not overly picky about wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness Just to be clear, my (and others) issue with his performance is not just about "wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness". I said we could agree to disagree. End of story. You can see how personal these competitions get and how hard they are to judge. Personally I feel Vacatello stole the night. Together with her Beethoven 4th performance, she may win.
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Can I ask a favor here???
Flying to NY tomorrow for a week at the factory...chops improvement etc...
Can someone PM me with results/comments please...
I'll have an iPhone, that's all...I get in to NY around 7.30pm local...
Cheers
P Sure! I'll be happy to.
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I'm just not overly picky about wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness Just to be clear, my (and others) issue with his performance is not just about "wrong notes and a touch of sloppiness". I said we could agree to disagree. End of story. You can see how personal these competitions get and how hard they are to judge. Personally I feel Vacatello stole the night. Together with her Beethoven 4th performance, she may win. Exactly. I think being a juror is pretty much an unenviable position to be in. Vocatello has tied with B. for being my favorite after that Prok.
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I feel better already...thanks Horo...
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No problem! Have fun at the factory!
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These are great to watch. I've really only gotten to watch Vacotello...last night and tonight, and caught the end of Bozhanov. I had to tune and sit through a concert tonight, and got home late. At least I was getting paid! Bozhanov was good, but I enjoyed Vacotello more. I did like the NY D tonight better than the Hamburg D she played last night..at least for what comes through on my lousy laptop speakers.
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