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#1202031 - 05/19/09 09:28 AM 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread
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The 2009 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition

Please use this thread for all discussion related to the competition, as per our 2005 Megathread. This includes: reviews, predictions, discussion on the performers and their repertoire, pictures, complaints about parking, etc.


FAQ

When and where is this competition?
It takes place in Bass Hall in Fort Worth, TX from May 22nd - June 7th. We're all interested to hear "live" reports from any PW people who live in Texas or will be at the competition. For a complete schedule, click HERE.


Who are the performers and how many times will I have to sit through the Liszt Sonata?
Find a complete list of the contestants and their repertoire, click HERE. A few people from the last competition made the cut again this year, and it will be interesting to see how far they get.

...and that's potentially five performances of the Liszt Sonata you're looking at.


Where's the live stream? I want to make fun of people who have memory lapses!
You can watch it HERE. Download their application (make sure your system matches the specs at the bottom of the page) and you're good to go.

ALSO, you can listen (audio only) via KTCU's stream: http://www.ktcu.tcu.edu/


What's at stake, aside from internet stardom?
The winner receives three years of management (covering travel), a CD recording, and a $20k prize. Read all about the prizes HERE. While the Cliburn's first prize cash award isn't as high as some others (the Cleveland Competition awards a $50k first prize), the concert schedule it awards is more extensive.


These competitions are so arbitrary! My favorite competitor was eliminated after the first round!
Yes, they are, and many wonderful pianists didn't even make it past the screening round this time. However, sometimes people who DON'T win end up getting more exposure than those who do. Examples from previous editions of the Cliburn - Naida Cole and Frederic Chiu. Although Cole is now a doctor, she had a substantial career after being eliminated from the competition in 1997. Chiu, of course, is a legend. For this year's competition, read about the panel of judges HERE.


I want to read reviews and find out what kind of food and which movies each competitor likes!
Well, stop wasting time and click HERE before anyone else does!


That's about it. I'll start off the discussion with my own prediction for this year's results:

1st Prize - Stephen Beus
2nd Prize - Spencer Myer
3rd Prize - Ran Dank or Soyeon Lee

Other finalists: Di Wu, Evgeni Bozhanov, Haochen Zhang
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#1202345 - 05/19/09 07:02 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I wish I had near the ability to take part in the Van Cliburn Competition. The youngest competitors aren't far off my age and their repertoire is extraordinary!
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#1202439 - 05/19/09 09:32 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Drunk3nFist]
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Actually, I count up to 7 (EDIT: 6 now that Yue Chu has withdrawn) potential performances of the Liszt Sonata (4 prelim, 2 semis, and 1 final round). The next most popular are Gaspard de la Nuit with 6, the Bach/Busoni Chaconne with 5, and a tie between the Barber Sonata, Chopin's 3rd Sonata, Haydn's C Major Hob. 50, Liszt's Spanish Rhapsody, Schubert's Sonata D. 958, and Stravinsky's Trois Mouvements de Petroushka at 4.

Only three competitors have the Rach 2 (Sonata) programmed, putting it at the same level as the Hammerklavier, Chopin's G Minor Ballade, and Takemitsu's Raintree Sketch I (!) among many others.

Other interesting statistics:

-Besides the commissioned works, I count 6 living composers whose work could potentially be heard: Pierre Boulez(Douze Notations), Elliot Carter(Catènaires), John Corigliano(Etude Fantasy), Nikolai Kapustin(Sonata #1), Aaron Jay Kernis (Superstar Etude #2), and Carl Vine (Sonata #1, twice).

-Di Wu's programming of a Clara Schumann Mazurka is the only selected work by a female composer in the whole competition.

-27 of the (now 29) competitors have at least one work which is unique to them and not performed by anyone else--Sorry Michail Lifitz and Ilya Rachkovskiy.

-Derek Bermel has a $2,500 bet riding on Victor Stanislavsky making the semis, as he's the only competitor to choose Bermel's 'turning'.

-Vassilis Varvaresos wins my 'gutsy' award with a selection opening with the Moonlight Sonata in the prelims and closing with Islamey in the finals.

Is there a way of attaching spreadsheets to posts here? I have a list of works by composer that I'd like to stick on here but am not sure how.


Edited by kcostell (05/19/09 09:33 PM)

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#1202467 - 05/19/09 10:14 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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i will be watching Evgeni Bozhanov, who won Richter competition last year (2nd prize with no 1st prize), my teacher told me about him then.

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#1202640 - 05/20/09 09:03 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Final Round

Beethoven’s 1st – 1
Beethoven’s 2nd – 1
Beethoven’s 3rd – 6
Beethoven’s 4th – 6
Brahms’ 1st – 2
Chopin’s 1st – 2
Chopin’s 2nd – 6
Liszt’s 1st – 1
Mendelssohn’s 1st – 2
Mozart’s 20th – 4
Mozart’s 27th – 1
Prokofiev’s 1st – 2
Prokofiev’s 2nd – 5
Prokofiev’s 3rd – 3
Rachmaninoff’s 1st – 1
Rachmaninoff’s 2nd – 3
Rachmaninoff’s 3rd – 2
Rachmaninoff’s Rhapsody – 2
Ravel’s 1st – 1
Tchaikovsky’s 1st – 7

Is it sad that I'm surprised by only 2 performances of Rachmaninoff's D minor? The surprise concerto for me is Beethoven's 3rd.

Daniel
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#1202644 - 05/20/09 09:13 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Originally Posted By: kcostell

Is there a way of attaching spreadsheets to posts here? I have a list of works by composer that I'd like to stick on here but am not sure how.


http://docs.google.com
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#1202648 - 05/20/09 09:24 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Also interesting,

Quote:
With regret, pianist Yue Chu has had to withdraw from the Thirteenth Van Cliburn International Piano Competition four days before Preliminary Round begins, due to a pinched nerve.

That's unfortunate.
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#1202657 - 05/20/09 09:36 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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What are the top 4-6 competitions in the world in terms of "importance"? Can they be ranked in order?

I'm guessing Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Van Cliburn, Queen Elizabeth in no particular order.

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#1202669 - 05/20/09 09:54 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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I wonder what the percent of pianists that were Asian born or Asian descent was at the first Cliburn ccmpetition? It is 50% of the original list for this year's Cliburn.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/20/09 10:38 AM)

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#1202716 - 05/20/09 11:20 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]
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I'm continually impressed by Italy, a country the size of Arizona, who consistently sends 2-3 pianists to the Van Cliburn every time, and they often do very well (Cabassi, Plano, Pompa-Baldi).
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#1202984 - 05/20/09 07:05 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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While reading the participant bios I was astounded to find that one was blind since birth. I have never heard of a blind pianist reaching this level(I believe Tatum had some sight and wasn't blind since birth).

Are there Braille music books? Even if yes, it would seem almost beyond belief to be able to learn so much complicated music this way. And of course there's the problem of not being able to see the keys even in the most difficult passages.

Has anyone heard of any completely blind pianist who has reached the level of being able to be a Cliburn participant?


Edited by pianoloverus (05/20/09 07:08 PM)

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#1202988 - 05/20/09 07:20 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'm continually impressed by Italy, a country the size of Arizona, who consistently sends 2-3 pianists to the Van Cliburn every time, and they often do very well (Cabassi, Plano, Pompa-Baldi).



Well, it may be the size of Arizona, but it has the population of California and New York together. Impressive nonetheless, but not quite like Arizona sending a steady stream.


Edited by Piano*Dad (05/20/09 07:21 PM)
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#1203167 - 05/21/09 12:55 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I've posted a spreadsheet with the repertoire list sorted by composer, along with links to (mostly IMSLP) sheet music for each piece in the public domain.

Thanks to Brendan for the Google Docs suggestion

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#1203171 - 05/21/09 01:07 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Very little Mozart, comparatively little Chopin (only one ballade, no scherzos, and no Grande Polonaise), usually more perform the Brahms Paganini Variations...and some surprising popular choices such as the Beethoven Op. 106, Schumann Davidsbundlertanze (and one competitor playing the Schumann Sonata #3 which is almost never performed).

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#1203212 - 05/21/09 03:24 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I wonder what the percent of pianists that were Asian born or Asian descent was at the first Cliburn ccmpetition? It is 50% of the original list for this year's Cliburn.


You can get a list of the competitors at each competition at the Cliburn site. I count 3 each from Japan and Korea (out of 46 total) at the first competition.

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#1203259 - 05/21/09 07:52 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Originally Posted By: kcostell
I've posted a spreadsheet with the repertoire list sorted by composer, along with links to (mostly IMSLP) sheet music for each piece in the public domain.


Neat spreadsheet, thanks for posting that.

Playing order posted:

http://cliburn.org/index.php?page=news_detail&newsID=96&rtn=newsroom
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#1203362 - 05/21/09 10:54 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Drei Davidsbundlertanzen????? Cool!
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#1203466 - 05/21/09 02:18 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Drei Davidsbundlertanzen????? Cool!


VERY COOL INDEED!!!!
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#1203477 - 05/21/09 02:47 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: DameMyra]
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I've got my money on Beus smile
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#1203515 - 05/21/09 04:03 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
What are the top 4-6 competitions in the world in terms of "importance"? Can they be ranked in order?

I'm guessing Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Van Cliburn, Queen Elizabeth in no particular order.


Queen Elizabeth seems out of place there. What about Leeds or Hamamatsu?
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#1203738 - 05/21/09 11:49 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'm continually impressed by Italy, a country the size of Arizona, who consistently sends 2-3 pianists to the Van Cliburn every time, and they often do very well (Cabassi, Plano, Pompa-Baldi).



Well, it may be the size of Arizona, but it has the population of California and New York together. Impressive nonetheless, but not quite like Arizona sending a steady stream.


and it has an artistic and musical history and culture second to none! (need we list off the names of the composers, musicians, artists and works of art (culinary art too!) Italy has given us?
Bellissima!

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#1203880 - 05/22/09 08:25 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: sophial]
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Well, I've bookmarked the live webcast url and can't wait for the competition to begin. I am pulling for both Stephen Beus and Spencer Meyer. Both are terrific musicians.
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#1203986 - 05/22/09 12:14 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: DameMyra]
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If you're on a slow connection or the webcast turns out to have connection troubles, another option is the audio-only stream at KTCU (assuming it doesn't get preempted by TCU baseball again).

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#1204011 - 05/22/09 12:45 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'm continually impressed by Italy, a country the size of Arizona, who consistently sends 2-3 pianists to the Van Cliburn every time, and they often do very well (Cabassi, Plano, Pompa-Baldi).


Not sure why this is surprising given Italy's pianistic tradition cf. Arturo Benedetti Michelaneli, Maurizio Pollini

Perhaps you were referring indirectly to the absence of competitors from other countries of similar size? The UK, for example. Or Spain, or Scandinavia. And I believe it is a while since there has been no competitor from Latin America.
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#1204055 - 05/22/09 02:01 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: rrb]
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Am I missing something regarding the login/password on the cliburn.tv site? Cliburn.org claims that "no registration is required"...

EDIT: It seems to be working now


Edited by kcostell (05/22/09 02:04 PM)

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#1204073 - 05/22/09 02:26 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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The volume is certainly low. I have my speakers turned up full-blast and all of the other sound icons to max, and it's still not loud enough.

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#1204104 - 05/22/09 03:02 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell]
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Thanks for this link!

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#1204112 - 05/22/09 03:13 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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The webcast worked great for the first performance, but for all intents and purposes died out during the interview with Kudritskaya (it won't last more than 5 seconds without stopping). Is anyone else having trouble with this?

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#1204118 - 05/22/09 03:23 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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For the first competitor the picture and music seemed to work, but when Beus started the music and video stop and start every 10 seconds. I also couldn't get any sound from the local radio station.

Is there anything I can do?? I don't know much about computers!

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#1204121 - 05/22/09 03:26 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]
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The KTCU feed seems to be working for me (you may need to have Windows Media Player or some similar software installed on your computer). If you're not getting any sound from it, maybe try closing all open programs before opening your browser, or accessing it from a different browser (I'm using Chrome right now).

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