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#1208866 - 05/30/09 09:10 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]
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absolutely great Frank quintet, both music and performance!

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#1208916 - 05/30/09 10:23 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Does anyone know who the two piano tuners are that are featured in the "offstage" program on the live tv website?

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#1209039 - 05/31/09 04:13 AM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: martyb]
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Hats off to the big guy who interviews the pianists after each performance. You can see that 20 years of experience in an international competition has really paid off. With infinite respect for their artistry he asks "what was the toughest part?". The player doesn't understand and answers something else. Our bloke then ever so delicately tells them "go have dinner !"

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#1209213 - 05/31/09 01:54 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: landorrano]
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I find this guy pretty annoying (and I think Kunz would agree with me); except that sometimes he reminds of John Hodgman (the PC guy, from Mac vs PC Apple ads) laugh

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#1209218 - 05/31/09 02:02 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: landorrano]
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Originally Posted By: landorrano
Hats off to the big guy who interviews the pianists after each performance. You can see that 20 years of experience in an international competition has really paid off. With infinite respect for their artistry he asks "what was the toughest part?". The player doesn't understand and answers something else. Our bloke then ever so delicately tells them "go have dinner !"



I'm fairly sure the "go have dinner" was a jab at Kunz, who wasn't exactly letting himself be interviewed all that well and came off as pompous.

I thought it was amusing that Kunz said the reason he chose the "Lomax", as did most other people, was that it was easy to learn. Ironically, the blind pianist, Tsujii, is the only one who chose John Musto's Improvisation and Fugue, which sounds like an absolute pain to sight-read, I can only imagine even worse to have to memorize and learn by ear.

Kunz didn't same to put much weight on the "Lomax". Same with the Chamber performance. Someone on a blog said that maybe Kunz was just relying on good sight-reading ability to "coast" through parts of the competition he didn't care that much about.


Edited by Theowne (05/31/09 02:05 PM)
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#1209239 - 05/31/09 02:44 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Theowne]
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Musto's Improvisation and Fugue sounds even better than Bates's White Lie to me. Tsujii was incredible playing it with everything memorized.

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#1209300 - 05/31/09 04:31 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Dubious]
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Originally Posted By: Dubious
I find this guy pretty annoying (and I think Kunz would agree with me); except that sometimes he reminds of John Hodgman (the PC guy, from Mac vs PC Apple ads) laugh



grin

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that...
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#1209314 - 05/31/09 05:04 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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Wow, Lifits isn't through with the Liszt Sonata yet and already I don't want to hear anything else from him. I know, that's harsh, but I've never been so bored by a performance. Now he's dropping notes like crazy in the fugue while I'm typing.
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#1209315 - 05/31/09 05:06 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Horowitzian]
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the problem was that he didn't always ask right questions, especially when the pianist was exhausted from performing and had to answer some stupid questions. i wouldn't want any interview at all if i were any competitor there.

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#1209317 - 05/31/09 05:09 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Lifts has some lovely slow moments with Liszt, but anything else seems falling apart.

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#1209334 - 05/31/09 05:47 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Originally Posted By: signa
Lifts has some lovely slow moments with Liszt, but anything else seems falling apart.


I thought it was overly slow, and still he bungled harmonies on several occasions. It seems that the audience was more appreciative.
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#1209350 - 05/31/09 06:46 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Bozhanov's Schubert Bflat was incredible!
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#1209363 - 05/31/09 07:09 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: L'echange]
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I think that Bozhanov, Wu, and Zhang are in definitely. For the other spots, I'm not so sure. I am unsure about Tsujii. I was moved by his Hammerklavier, but I don't know how much his blindness is coloring my reaction. Both Lifits an Lam seemed to struggle a bit more in their performances compared others. I didn't like either of Kunz semifinal rounds, I don't think he'll make it through.


Edited by Theowne (05/31/09 07:09 PM)
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#1209412 - 05/31/09 08:27 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Theowne]
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I can't wait to hear Deljavan's Scriabin 5

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#1209428 - 05/31/09 08:53 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Synapse]
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Tsujii's Hammerklavier was really good with clarity and almost note perfect or everything, but i didn't feel that moved by his playing, just not deep enough for me. don't know what jury would think about him, with 2 good semi performances. i suspect he'd be in final, but not sure.

i know many people don't care about Kunz's semi performance which certainly was not perfect, but i really like him and his style and some musical ideas, and hope i could hear him in final again.

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#1209434 - 05/31/09 09:25 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Such mixed reactions with Tsujii. All of the posters at the official blog were gushing over the Hammierklavier, while some other bloggers had a pretty much opposite reaction.
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#1209457 - 05/31/09 10:07 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Theowne]
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does anyone else find Deljavan boring?

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#1209486 - 05/31/09 11:06 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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My guess for the finalists:
Bozhanov
Tsujii
Zhang
Wu
Son
Vacatello
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#1209487 - 05/31/09 11:07 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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And that has to be a difficult problem for the judges. Even the best pianists have "off" days, and Kunz seemed to have one. But, he does seem to have something interesting to say.

So who do you pick? The consistent performer whose voice isn't perhaps as original or who doesn't take as many risks, or the inconsistent performer who may, or may not, bring profound revelation in the finals?

Originally Posted By: signa
i know many people don't care about Kunz's semi performance which certainly was not perfect, but i really like him and his style and some musical ideas, and hope i could hear him in final again.
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#1209492 - 05/31/09 11:17 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]
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Originally Posted By: signa
Tsujii's Hammerklavier was really good with clarity and almost note perfect or everything, but i didn't feel that moved by his playing, just not deep enough for me. don't know what jury would think about him, with 2 good semi performances. i suspect he'd be in final, but not sure.


Personally, I loved his Beethoven and felt that he played to all of its aspects as a composition very well. The first movement had plenty of grandeur without being overplayed. I liked how he focused on the soft end of the dynamic spectrum whenever possible (second themes, etc.), and by doing so he put the majestic character of the opening material in perspective (making loud dynamics seem louder by greater contrast - a very Alicia de Larrocha thing to do). The third movement nearly had me in tears, and I was being a total geek and following along with the score. I heard Peter Serkin play this sonata live a few years ago and Tsujii's performance was equally captivating, and sometimes more so. I honestly wasn't expecting a lot in terms of depth, but he totally delivered, IMO.

Sure, the fugue was occasionally messy, but in spite of some wrong notes I never got the sense that his concentration waned.

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i know many people don't care about Kunz's semi performance which certainly was not perfect, but i really like him and his style and some musical ideas, and hope i could hear him in final again.


/agree

I like his personality, and despite his inconsistencies he gets a sound out of the instrument that no one else has been able to yet. It's just too bad that he had to fake so much of the Dvorak and the Rachmaninoff. He'll likely be out.

..and as I type this, Son is boring me to tears with her incredibly thin Brahms quintet.
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#1209493 - 05/31/09 11:19 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Oh, I forgot to look into my Magic 8-Ball and reveal the names of the finalists:

Bozhanov
Dank
Son
Tsujii
Wu
Zhang
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#1209498 - 05/31/09 11:27 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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So ... Brendan seems to have a soft spot for boring players ... smile

(I am all for people having soft spots!)


Edited by newport (05/31/09 11:28 PM)
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#1209499 - 05/31/09 11:27 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I guess I'll play along and make my guesses

Bozhanov
Zhang
Son
Tsujii
Wu
Vacatello
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#1209504 - 05/31/09 11:35 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: newport]
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So ... Brendan seems to have a soft spot for boring players ... smile

(I am all for people having soft spots!)


They were solid, but still boring. Unfortunately, that's what wins competitions.

Zhang was painfully redundant, but he didn't miss anything. Terrible!
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#1209506 - 05/31/09 11:39 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Originally Posted By: newport
So ... Brendan seems to have a soft spot for boring players ... smile

(I am all for people having soft spots!)


They were solid, but still boring. Unfortunately, that's what wins competitions.

Zhang was painfully redundant, but he didn't miss anything. Terrible!

Would it be a dis-service if you convince people what they like wasn't worth liking?

(Like if you convince people virgin-birth wasn't worth believing?)


Edited by newport (05/31/09 11:40 PM)
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#1209508 - 05/31/09 11:42 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I'll take a guess.

Kunz
Tsujii
Zhang
Son
Dank
and Lang L... oops, I mean Bozhanv.
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#1209509 - 05/31/09 11:43 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: newport]
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Originally Posted By: newport

Would it be a dis-service if you convince people what they like wasn't worth liking?

(Like if you convince people virgin-birth wasn't worth believing?)


What's your problem?

For my tastes, they're boring players. Sadly, they'll probably advance since they were more consistent than some others.
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#1209513 - 05/31/09 11:48 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: newport

Would it be a dis-service if you convince people what they like wasn't worth liking?

(Like if you convince people virgin-birth wasn't worth believing?)


What's your problem?

That was just joking ... I respect your expert opinion. smile


Edited by newport (05/31/09 11:52 PM)
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#1209516 - 05/31/09 11:52 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I think Tsujii's Beethoven was great.

I'm surprised no one has said anything about Dank's semi-final performance. That was some fantastic Bach in my opinion. The Prokofiev was great as well.

I'm hoping Dank, Son, and Lam make it to the finals. I think Bozhanov has secured his spot.

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#1209518 - 05/31/09 11:54 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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i would pick Kunz over Zhang any day. the difference between the 2 are: one is an artist and the other is still a student (though a prodigy perhaps).

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