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#1215638 - 06/11/09 07:08 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Just to keep this thread on top... not a Brahms fan either! If I could, I would only play Bach :kowtow: wink


Is it because of your hand span? Most ladies I know prefer Bach/Hadyn for exams. smile


Nothing to do with hand span. I luuuuurve Baroque (and earlier) music and Bach is as good as it gets. Unlike most composers of his time, he incorporates interesting dissonants, and I find his music refreshingly abstract. I have never been too fond of Romantic composers because I just don't like too much emotion in my music (nor my art – I like to look at art for its colour and form, rather than any meaning behind it). I have learnt to be more "emo" in my musical tastes as I, ahem, mature, but I really don't have time for soppy romantic stuff.

I don't particularly like Haydn or Mozart, either – not complicated enough. But I do play them fairly well, because again, they do not demand much emotion, and I have limited hand span.

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#1216068 - 06/11/09 10:03 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Roxane]
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Roxane,

I like Bach, but I like some other composers better. :P

I guess I prefer hyper-sentimentalism + emotivism in my playing ... i.e. musical sentences/phrases express emotional attitudes etc

As to being "mature," I think none of us are considered ripe and rotten as yet smile

I think Singaporeans (on average) do not have large hand spans. An octave is probably the best we can manage, and too many large block chords (darn those with notes at odd places in the middle of octaves) can cause carpal tunnel syndrome after prolonged period of keyboard torment ...
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#1216548 - 06/12/09 07:23 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Snoopycar,

Do you know of any adult beginners in Singapore buying first pianist?
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#1217579 - 06/15/09 11:32 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Originally Posted By: chihuahua
Snoopycar,

Do you know of any adult beginners in Singapore buying first pianist?


Sorli ah, pls re adjust the england above... i don't quite understood leh ... thks

pianist can buy arhh ??
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#1221482 - 06/23/09 10:22 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]
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Ok lah, wrong question ...

So are there any more adult Singaporean beginners (or non-beginners) buying his/her first piano (or whatever for that matter)?

It's getting boring without our "kakis" from S'pore ... everybody busy with practicing (or work)?

Question: What would you do if you are quarantined for 7 days at home? :P
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#1221821 - 06/23/09 08:35 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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oh i understand zee queszion now.

i got a feeling many adults here are "rebuying" first piano.
like had a piano during childhood, now working, misses playing the piano and would like to catch up by making time laugh

or everybody is busy hunting for "cat mountain king" durian??
i went down to my neighbourhood shopping centre 8.30pm. all durian are sold !!
just two days again i went at 10pm, still have good deals... D101
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#1221843 - 06/23/09 09:29 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]
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haha ... liu lian very heaty one leh ... I haven't got time to go down to buy ... you know where got liu lian best best one? Cheap and good one? (we cheapos like cheap and good everything haha!).

Aiyoh don't want to buy from Geyland coz I scared if I dun like the durian, kena chopped by parang ... o.0

Pianists wouldn't mind being quarantined for 7 days ... from work! haha! Come come quarantine me so I can practice for 7 days ... !
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#1222811 - 06/25/09 08:13 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Hi

I am new to this forum and would like to ask what do your think of yamaha C108 model. Isit an exam model? Have any of your tried this model. Would apprecaite of your input

thanks
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#1222869 - 06/25/09 10:19 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]
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no exam model... no concert model.... no house model... it is just a vertical piano which the height is 108cm. imo, c108 i think is too small but better than a spinet in terms of tone but for touch larry fine called it the console vertical with compressed actions due to the cabinet size. personally if you like yammie, i go for the u1. i think this model is still the best of the yammie.

a piano that is used for exam must meet the 2 important criteria; in tune = tone 440hz and properly regulated = touch. i would buy a piano that i like based on tone and touch than what it is used for the exam because 1) the examination board might change the piano anytime 2) i will be spending my entire life playing the piano, enjoying the beautiful music than spending my entire life just sitting for exam till old. cool

regrads.



Edited by Jay (06/25/09 10:22 PM)

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#1222935 - 06/26/09 04:01 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Jay]
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Like honda civic is used at the driving centre, so it becomes the exam model for sinkapore. When i started learning, my sifu car is ..... tada.... Datsun 120Y !! first time pass also. my point is can pass means can pass lah.

sorry not so accurate comparison.

What i mean is not learning on an exam model piano isn't really a handicap when taking exams, but the non-exam piano must be in good condition, near to the exam model key touch most importantly.

Most pianist are very quick to adapt to another piano easily.
There is no clear cut fix specification.

Here is adding to confusion. an exam model piano, if not maintained well, after 6yrs its key touch becomes out of specf !! or neber properly tuned, pitch has drop to A4-430 hehehe

If a student buys a yamaha U1, which is an exam model, and a light keytouch. After passing ABRSM grade 8 at local exam stations, move up to nafa to take diploma, suddenly finds their grand piano are much heavier key touch. need to go gym to retrain finger strength.

How about this. you have a good exam model, but teacher house has an extra heavy keytouch piano - maybe special made. You finds that you can't play well at teacher house.

For what i see, C108 is good enough to go for any exam grade. There is no known mechanical limitation that will haper the student from progressing.

Just be aware that there are certain smart student whos lazy and kaykay complain to ma... piano is not exam model, i can't play my exam piece.... so student can go watch youtube or msn chat... hehe


It is the student's will to overcome the impossible.

i has one customer who daughter piano is quite worn out, after tuning i tried to play but i really can't. but the daughter just play her grade3 exam piece like nothing is happening. it makes me marvel and jaw dropped 1 inch laugh
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#1223036 - 06/26/09 10:42 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]
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Hihi

Thanks for all the comments, hmmm.... still abit lost though? I have learned piano before till grade 5, but hor never bother to learn much about the technical aspect.well, now because of my daughter no choice, got to do some homework. Actually i have an ashton piano. have you guys heard of it. but it is left in my office now, still contemplating should i shift it back.

Well, Yamaha is having sales right now. A brand new U1 cost $6699.00 isit cheap? If i want to buy a second hand piano below ten years (U1 Piano) how much will it cost?
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#1223450 - 06/27/09 03:13 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]
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Oh that should be the U1J.
actual U1 is $8500 smile

~5yrs U1 can be found by searching the classified ads. Someone selling $5.5k i thinks its a good buy.

No need to think too much, mover cost only 80~100. Just make some space at home floor, click click.. piano is home already.
Any piano can be made playable. Maybe move it home first, see how yr daughter progress then decide to buy new or not later lor.
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#1223516 - 06/27/09 10:58 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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anybody selling baby grand or know where to get one?

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#1223843 - 06/28/09 03:19 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: jijiboy]
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hi
snoopy car

You mean the classified ad in this piano forum? i cant find leh, can enlighten me. thanks
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#1223853 - 06/28/09 04:58 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: jently]
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hi jently try this link

http://singapore.locanto.sg/ID_102098663/Yamaha-U1-for-Sale.html
some older but excellent condtion U1 are available elsewhere like shops and private seller. guide line is 5~10yrs, 5.5~6.5k. 10~20yrs, 4.5~5.5k, 20~25yr, 3.5k~4.2k
pisss.. i'm selling my U1... laugh

hi jijiboy
what price range and brands are you looking for?
new or 2nd hand?
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#1223891 - 06/28/09 08:04 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: snoopycar]
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Hi

Snoopy, so you are the one selling the piano? er..$5k quite ex leh, still thinking how much should i invest in the piano.
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#1223920 - 06/28/09 09:40 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: jently]
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hehe.. no... mine is mine, i didnt advetise anywhere.
i recently got a very good condition pearlriver 118 piano. After tweaking it, now i'm thinking its better than my U1!! That's why i'm thinking to let go of it.

You could take route 1: buy a good 1500~1900 2nd hand piano, after some time, then decide if child or yourself need a better piano.

or route 2: buy the best new one wallet can afford and leave no room for regrets smile
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#1224192 - 06/28/09 09:07 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]
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Good advice from snoopycar smile

Agreed ...

Any more beginning Singaporeans (beginning S'poreans? Like the newly "converted"-must-go-NS type meh?) buying first piano bench? Or first piano? Or first S'pore IC? (kidding lah ... haha!).

I'm still waiting to be quarantined, but haven't got H1N1 leh ... now S'pore in asia top top h1n1 site ... heheh!!! Small country (small island) with much more cases per square foot of land area than most countries, is it?

(to non-s'poreans: sorry hor, I'm using Singlish - must be too cheam for you ...)
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#1224206 - 06/28/09 09:47 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: snoopycar]
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hi jently try this link


hi jijiboy
what price range and brands are you looking for?
new or 2nd hand?


My max budge would be $7000. I saw on the internet that a Young Chang baby grand was selling at only $3000. Wanted to get it, but was sold frown

I am also looking for 2nd hand baby grand.

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#1224221 - 06/28/09 10:20 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Originally Posted By: chihuahua



Any more beginning Singaporeans (beginning S'poreans? Like the newly "converted"-must-go-NS type meh?) buying first piano bench? Or first piano? Or first S'pore IC? (kidding lah ... haha!).



Hmm buying 1st metronome...

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#1224225 - 06/28/09 10:36 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Originally Posted By: chihuahua
Any more beginning Singaporeans (beginning S'poreans? Like the newly "converted"-must-go-NS type meh?) buying first piano bench? Or first piano? Or first S'pore IC? (kidding lah ... haha!).


On the subject of piano benches, why don't adjustable benches ever come with storage compartments like those flip-top non-adjustable Yamaha benches? They could make a very slim drawer at the base of the bench or something. I have no more space to store new music books! mad

On the other hand, if my adjustable bench looks like the one Digitus has, I think I wouldn't complain about the lack of storage on my bench. Btw, the buttons on my bench collect fluff... exactly like belly-button, er, "fluff"! whome

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#1224296 - 06/29/09 02:49 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Hello!

Here's my situation - I'm a reasonably advanced pianist who is "re-picking up" the piano after minimal practice for the past 11 years. (Studying overseas, work, etc)

I currently own a 28-year old Yamaha U1 which is still in good shape. The tone's not as even, and the touch isn't as good as it used to be. But it's usable, and was my first piano after all. smile

The problem is that I stay in a small apartment. And let's face it, the standard repertoire isn't always pleasant sounding when practiced repeatedly. Also, I find that my tonal production has gotten considerably worse after practicing for a few months with the muffler pedals.

I have two options:

a. Buy a silent piano. Currently unfortunately only the Yamaha U-1 and Kawai K3/K5 are available in silent. I was hoping to get a better piano than my current one. (Oddly enough, do other people feel like the U-1 has gotten slightly worse? Or is it just because the one at the showroom is less 'seasoned' than the one at home?)

b. Buy a portable keyboard. I don't have space for a digital piano. I tried the P-85, and I have concerns about the touch and tone (not sensitive enough, and too light). But it does cost a lot less. The pro of this is that the savings will eventually go towards say an RX2-AT if I ever get a bigger place. Needless to say, I have piano envy after trying out my friends' grand pianos. (It's much easier to play repeated notes)

Comments on the two options? Are there other silent piano options that I have missed out? Keyboard options? Are there also places that sell used silent pianos? (I would love to have some of the silent pianos in Yamaha's European lineup for example, e.g. SU series silent) Also, Bohemia's website say they will install quiet time on their pianos if asked, but the local dealers don't seem to carry the silent version.
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#1224306 - 06/29/09 03:36 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: jijiboy]
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Originally Posted By: snoopycar
hi jently try this link


hi jijiboy
what price range and brands are you looking for?
new or 2nd hand?


My max budge would be $7000. I saw on the internet that a Young Chang baby grand was selling at only $3000. Wanted to get it, but was sold frown

I am also looking for 2nd hand baby grand.


pls refer to above ^^

also, how much can a 6 years old Young Chang U 131 N go for?

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#1224313 - 06/29/09 04:32 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Roxane]
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On the subject of piano benches, why don't adjustable benches ever come with storage compartments like those flip-top non-adjustable Yamaha benches? They could make a very slim drawer at the base of the bench or something. I have no more space to store new music books! mad

On the other hand, if my adjustable bench looks like the one Digitus has, I think I wouldn't complain about the lack of storage on my bench. Btw, the buttons on my bench collect fluff... exactly like belly-button, er, "fluff"! whome


Collect fluff?

Then you need to buy your first(?) pour-piano portable/handy vacuum cleaner laugh

You mean your chihuahua sit on your piano bench meh? What fluff? Or is it fur?

Digitus got 5 star piano bench from Salty Piano (or is it Salted Piano?). So 5 star bench lor. 7 foot Oh-My-Gah(men) must be eye-popping-ly impressive, even Gah-men do not buy such Salted pianos.

Why didnt Robert give your 5 star piano a 5 star bench ... but hor, I haven't seen adjustable bench with secret compartment leh ...


Edited by chihuahua (06/29/09 04:33 AM)
Edit Reason: my singlish not so good hor ...
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#1224326 - 06/29/09 05:27 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Hi, I'm looking at getting a new Schimmel upright C-124 or C-130. Any opinions on these pianos? Or where can I find a better piano for around the same price?

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#1224345 - 06/29/09 07:55 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Originally Posted By: chihuahua
Good advice from snoopycar smile

Agreed ...

Any more beginning Singaporeans (beginning S'poreans? Like the newly "converted"-must-go-NS type meh?) buying first piano bench? Or first piano? Or first S'pore IC? (kidding lah ... haha!).

I'm still waiting to be quarantined, but haven't got H1N1 leh ... now S'pore in asia top top h1n1 site ... heheh!!! Small country (small island) with much more cases per square foot of land area than most countries, is it?

(to non-s'poreans: sorry hor, I'm using Singlish - must be too cheam for you ...)




Chihuahua

you want H1N1 go to airpork lah, there got many returning tourist from many parts of the world. Shake hand with all of them lagi better laugh smile
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#1224355 - 06/29/09 08:25 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]
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Originally Posted By: snoopycar
Chihuahua

you want H1N1 go to airpork lah, there got many returning tourist from many parts of the world. Shake hand with all of them lagi better laugh smile


Or do the continental kissy check - mwah mwah - lagi lagi better! laugh

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#1224357 - 06/29/09 08:31 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]
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Collect fluff?

Then you need to buy your first(?) pour-piano portable/handy vacuum cleaner laugh

You mean your chihuahua sit on your piano bench meh? What fluff? Or is it fur?


I got a small handy-vac already, but stuck at the back of store-room, behind golf clubs, shoes, etc., so not so handy anymore...

My dog is not a chihuahua, but also sheds like nobody's business – his fur is long, so gets collected into hairy tumbleweeds. His favourite pastime is to chew his bones under the piano.


Originally Posted By: chihuahua
Why didnt Robert give your 5 star piano a 5 star bench ... but hor, I haven't seen adjustable bench with secret compartment leh ...


If everyone is separated by only 6 degrees, Uncle Robert is likely linked to Ebenezer Scrooge in less than 6 degrees...


Edited by Roxane (06/29/09 08:32 AM)

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#1224391 - 06/29/09 10:28 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: aljy22]
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Hi, I'm looking at getting a new Schimmel upright C-124 or C-130. Any opinions on these pianos? Or where can I find a better piano for around the same price?


I have the C-124. It's fantastic -- I wouldn't part with it for the world. It's a big sound for a piano of its size and has a great dynamic range.

Go to Chiu Piano and speak to Ernest -- he's a great guy, not at all pushy and will help you with the Schimmel range. PM me for more details.

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#1224399 - 06/29/09 10:52 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: timbo77]
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wah... just now 10pm went to jurong west eat cat mountain king durian and 1 bitter red prawn. CMK is best, $18 for 1 little spiky, but seed is very thin, worth it. I recommand all to try laugh
no need paisay, eat beside hawker centre .. hehe


chihwahwa, your slogan line is very interesting.
you study military history a lot huh?


Edited by snoopycar (06/29/09 11:08 AM)
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