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#1226868 - 07/04/09 12:22 AM Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous
Laura M Offline
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Looking for fingering suggestions for measure 15. This measure begins with raised octave triplets. My trouble starts immediately after the two triplets:

E#-D-C#-B-A-G#-F#-E#-D-C#-B.

My teacher suggested:

1-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-3-2-1

'Fingering answers' are tedious, but if you have the patience I'd appreciate alternative to above that work for you.

Thanks

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#1226873 - 07/04/09 12:38 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Laura M]
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2-1-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-3-2

My fingering for the two triplets is 3-4-2-1-4-3 that's why I have 2 on the E#. This matches the fingering I use for playing f# minor scale. It feels quite natural for me.

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#1226875 - 07/04/09 12:48 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: hwy]
Laura M Offline
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Thanks hwy! I'll try it.

Anyone else want to chime in?

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#1226881 - 07/04/09 01:27 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Laura M]
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Originally Posted By: Laura M
Thanks hwy! I'll try it.

Anyone else want to chime in?


I would suggest the same fingering. With the first two triplets it would be 3-4-2- 1-4-3- 2-1-3-2-1- 4-3-2- 1-3-2- 1

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#1226887 - 07/04/09 02:16 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Damon]
Laura M Offline
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Thanks to you both. Tried it and it is much more comfortable!

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#1226896 - 07/04/09 02:52 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Laura M]
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I agree, but aren't we talking about measure 13???
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#1226910 - 07/04/09 05:55 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Gary D.]
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I doubt it because there are only one half note and a trill for right hand in measure 13.

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#1227009 - 07/04/09 01:23 PM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Juishi]
Laura M Offline
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It's measure 15 in Schirmer edition. This edition has the 4 introductory measures notated instead of showing a repeat sign.

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#1227210 - 07/04/09 11:02 PM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Laura M]
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I wish I would have checked out this post when I spent way too much time (YESTERDAY!) experimenting with fingering for measure 15 :-/

Anyway, I decided to go with 2-1-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-3-2

I'm not too fond of the 1-4, but it works for me.

I hope this helps!


Tony

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#1227231 - 07/05/09 01:36 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Laura M]
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Originally Posted By: Laura M
It's measure 15 in Schirmer edition. This edition has the 4 introductory measures notated instead of showing a repeat sign.

Ah, that's it. I just glanced at the first edition I could find. I have the first two measures repeated.

But more basic: have you learned scales? Because this is just a descending F# harmonic minor scale with the standard fingering for that scale. When students ask me about fingering, I always mention chord structure and scales to show why a fingering is generally chosen.
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#1227613 - 07/06/09 03:08 AM Re: Fingering Chopin Nocturne C# Minor Posthumous [Re: Gary D.]
Laura M Offline
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My scales knowledge is limited so far to white key majors and harmonic minors. Yes, I have a ways to go! I'm one of those adults returning to piano after a 40ish year hiatus.

My teacher did just show me the C# Minor fingering, but you're absolutely right that scale knowledge is key to fingering. I'll look up F# harmonic minor fingering and get to it.

Actually, I think my teacher is overestimating my capabilities here, but I'm willing to give it a try as I'm drawn this Nocturne, it's various moods, melodies & timing. My Chopin is thus far limited to A minor Mazurka - which I love, and the Posthumous "Raindrop" Prelude. She offered some Chopin Waltzes, but I wasn't as keen on them.

Thanks all,
Laura

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