Date released in Japan: 6th July 2009
Note:
1. New revolutionary actions.
2. Sound Core: Linear Morphing AIF, new sound
3. Only 11.2 kg incredible!

Pictures and more details: http://casio.jp/emi/privia/px130we_130bk.html

Hope the actions is really improved!
People who are looking for Px120/720/320 should really wait and see.

I don't suppose there's a translation anywhere? Any other specs of interest?
Polyphony?
Samples per key?

Why can't I edit any more??? stange~!
let me tell you .Polyhony max. 128
Samples per key not clear yet. Supposed to be at least the same as PX120.
However, the speaker is really improved, especially for PX720,
PX-130：(12cm x 6cm) x 2 8w+8w, PX720, PX-730：12cm x 2, 8w+8w
PX 720 has a different desgin from 130 which stimulate the real piano 's way of making sound.
* 16 different sound

THe new key action is designed in order to imrpove the speed of touching which is the drawback of the current series.

Anyway, it sounds a huge improvement from the current ones.

Here is a quick translation of the specs. This looks like a nice step up from the last version:

- 88 standard keyboard

- Linear morphing AIF sound source

- 3 sensor scaling hammer action keyboard

- Touch response (three steps of sensitivity selections / OFF)

- The maximum number of voices (polyphony): 128

- 16 tones (AIF sound source)
Grand piano [Modern (modern), Classic (classic),Variation(variation)], electric piano, FM E. piano, 60's E. piano, harpsichord, vibraphone, pipe organ, jazz organ, electric organ 1, electric organ 2, string 1, string 2, bass 1*, bass 2*
* "bass 1" and "bass 2" are only for [ using split function ] bass keyboard area.

- Digital effect: reverb (four sorts), chorus (four sorts), brilliance, DSP (some tones)

- Acoustic Resonance system

- Recording function: Two tracks, one music, capacity about 5,000 notes, real-time recording / playback

- Metronome: 0, 2, 3, 4 and 5, six rhythm (tempo regulation is possible)

- Built-in music: 60 songs (music library)

- Download music: One song (a maximum of about 65 KB)
* Notation capacity is 1KB= 1,024-byte conversion.

- Lesson function (right hand / left-hand part ON-and-OFF function)

- Grand piano button x2 (Modern, Classic, electric piano button)

- Duet function

- layer/split

- Temperment (preset scale): +16 kinds of temperament

- Octave shift: ±2 octave

- key transpose

- Tuning control

- Pedal: Terminal x1 (damper), 1 or attached pedal x3 pedal unit (option)

- Half pedal (damper) (with three option pedal unit use)

- MIDI function *1

- Panel lock

- Speaker:[13cm / 6cm sq.] x2

- Output: 8W+8W

- Input-and-output terminal: Headphone (3.5mm stereo mini jack) x2, the connector for 1 (damper) or pedal x3 pedal units, USB*2, an external power supply (DC 12V)

- Power supply: Home AC power supply (use by attached AC/DC adaptor use / battery cannot be performed)

- Size (width x depth x height): 1,322x286x135 mm (only main part) / 1,322x256x759 mm (stand CS-67P)WE/ CS-67PBKthe time of use

- Weight: 11.2 kg (only main part) / 21.2kg (Stand CS-67P)WE/ CS-67PBK used

- Accessories: An AC/DC adaptor, a pedal (SP-3), collection of scores, music holder

- JAN Code : 4971850361510(PX-130WE)
4971850361503(PX-130BK)



*1 A MIDI terminal is not included. The MIDI communication between this machine which uses a USB terminal, and a personal computer is possible.
(The USB cable is not included.)Use a commercial USB cable A-B type for connection with a personal computer.

*2 OS for USB: WindowsR XP Home Edition (SP2 or subsequent ones), WindowsR XP Professional (SP2 or subsequent ones the 32-bit version), Windows VistaR (the 32-bit version), and Mac OSR X (10.5.2 [ after 10.3.9 and 10.4.11 ] or later)

Incidently, the one that looks most interesting is the new PX-330. It now has a pitch-bend wheel and a nice LCD display. It looks like it would make a very nice MIDI controller.

Japanese web page is http://casio.jp/emi/privia/px330bk.html

This one will come out in August.

I was on the verge of purchasing a PX120 to use along with Pianoteq. If the changes seem sufficient enough to warrant waiting for the PX130, I will do so. I suspect retail will be the same, as the cost in yen is identical on both the 120 and 130 pages.

In regards to the action, the website says that three sensor scaling is bring the touch close to that of an acoustic grand piano. The bass is heavier, and the higher pitched notes lighter in an attempt to reproduce the feeling of a grand. Granted, the PX120 website says something along the same lines...

I wonder if there will actually be a notable difference between the two... As was mentioned earlier, the newer PX130 no longer has a MIDI terminal attached, and instead uses a USB port.

Hmm.. Pick up a new PX130? Or look for a PX120 on closeout?

Judging by past releases, I suspect that we will not see these models in the US until next spring or summer. There has been about a 9 - 12 month delay between the release of previous models in Japan and the US release. Announcements for the US release of these models will probably be made at NAMM next year with the release to follow in May or later.

Rich

I'm interested in the PX-730, seeing as I just bought a PX-720 last month. I was just about to fall into buyer's remorse when I realized that it would still take a long while before the PX-730 reaches here, and some of the improvements I don't really care about anyway. (I hardly ever use the few voices available except for the modern/classic grand piano and the current speakers are enough for me). Though I do wish the midi terminals were USB instead (Casio upgraded the PX-730 to be USB-only). I'm just curious if Casio improved the key action? It's hard for me to press repeated notes on the PX-720. The key return seems sluggish. Though that could be due to my lack of technique.

The cosmetic changes in the PX-730 seem nice. It's now available in Black Wood and Dark Cherry, and even has red felt at the top of the keys!


With technology, there's always something newer and better coming our way, so my next piano purchase will be an acoustic!

It might be sooner than you think. Privia Piano website

Well, I know what DP I'm buying then.

I've been practicing on a Privia px310 daily for almost 2 years. Unless this new model has a redesigned 3-pedal assembly, no serious player will be happy. The px310 & 320 use the sp-30 pedal unit which disentegrates in a matter of months due to cheap plastic parts. See the numerous posts on this forum. Without the Casio 3-pedal unit half-pedal is not an option. Also, why remove the midi jacks? To save $1? Most or all pro players want to be able to use external non-usb gear. The px320 already did away with the audio-in jacks that are on the px310, so I suppose this new model also doesn't have them. Why buy a DP with a speaker system you can't use with Ivory, Pianoteq, etc.? Hearing your vsti or sound module through your built-in spkrs. including feeling the keys vibrate, adds to the realism for the player, even if you're also using an external amp.

Don't you wish Casio would issue a pro model Privia? It is a great bang-for-buck instrument overall. Probably zero chance. Sigh.

Eternal Music Student,

The PX330 looks like it might have audio in/out and midi in/out (if Google Translate is correct, that is).

The stand and pedal units are also new models, the CS67 and SP32. We will see when it comes out.

Rich

Eternal Music Student -

The PX-320 has audio inputs and standard MIDI jacks. I think this would be an incorrect assumption to assume that the new model would not have these features.

Regarding the SP30, in the last 12 months in my role here at Casio America I have never received one email or phone call from a dealer or one of our sales reps that has had issue with the SP30. Finding such complaints on this forum has been a big surprise to me because in fact our return rates are so insignificant. I promise to look look into this issue further and bring it up to our colleagues at Casio Japan.

Mike Martin
Casio America, Inc.

I can't wait! Literally.

some online sites are selling the new Casio DPs already, although some say they expect more coming soon.

i found the Casio press release on this:

http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/news/article/1366/

photo of PX830:

http://www.gizmos-and-gadgets.net/casio-...ticated-design/

Mike_Martin:

It's great to hear from those who truly know. I stand corrected re: audio inputs on the px320. Also I stated that the midi jacks were going to be removed in the new model, based on what I read above. [I had to return my first privia model, 575, because it had no midi jacks, only usb.] Hopefully I was wrong there too.

But--the pedal unit "disintegration" is for real. The right or damper pedal needs to be much stronger as it's used hundreds or thousands of times daily. Mine broke long ago; I tried fixing it & gave up.

There are several threads on this forum detailing the crumminess of the sp-30 pedal unit. Put in a metal sleeve for those pins, so the pedals will be durable, and you'll have a fine product that will last. I'll then buy a new privia & give my old one to my sister!

Would you mind telling me which sites?

Thanks!

It looks like Casio really improved the whole lot of Privia. I can't wait till these come out and I can hear people's impressions and reviews.

I thought they knocked up the prices, but it looks like zzsounds and such say they are the same, so I guess I was wrong.

Argggg... Unfair!
I will suffer from HAS again.

RE: CASIO 2009-2010 DP models

Casio has released their DP models. They can be viewed on their website: casio-intl.com/emi/piano/privia/px800.html

I should have added this to my previous post, except I just came across it. It is the press release from Casio that list the changes in the Privia line. The website is: casio-europe.com/euro/news/article/1366.

Also, Casio has replaced all of their celviano models.

Out of curiosity, what is HAS?

130 or 330... Oh snap.

Does anyone, by any chance, know of any dealers in the greater Toronto area that would most likely get these new models in stock right away? Or any website that will ship to Canada at a decent rate?

Hardware Acquisition Syndrome

Finding such complaints on this forum has been a big surprise to me because in fact our return rates are so insignificant.

To Mike Martin:
I was wondering if Casio is also unaware of the problem of noisy keybeds on many of your Privia digital piano line. When the keys return they bounce and make a mechanical clack. It usually begins with select notes then becomes more pronounced with use as many other keys do the same thing. There is a video on youtube that documents the problem on a PX 200. My PX 575 began doing this after a couple months of use. Does Casio plan to address this issue?

I've heard of this problem as well. People comment that it's almost as if some keypads wear out after so much use and then become very noisy. I've even heard of some saying they had to resort to isolated earphones to block out the "clacking" noise while they play.

Good question galaxy, I hope Mike addresses answers this as well.

Hmm.. My sister has an older PX110 that I play on from time to time, and it seems to have the noisy key problem as well. I am somewhat skeptical as to whether the action has been changed or not.

ZZsounds and Samedaymusic have actually removed the PX130 that was linked above.

Guitarcenter has it listed under pre-order status, and claims that they will be available on August 3rd.

I've just played a PX-730 in an appliance shop.
I especially had interests in its new three sensors pick-up system and new Linear Morphing AIF technology.

They said that the response for repeated notes was improved.
So I brought a metronome to test the response for repeated notes.
If you play sextuplets with 90 beats/min it means you play 9 notes/sec.
For the test, I used the center C key.
I could easily play 9 notes/sec with PX-730 but it was difficult to play 10 notes/sec.
So let me say the limit was 9.5 notes/sec.
I thought it was sufficient performance because the limit of my upright was 9 notes/sec.
Then I thought a weak point of PX-720 was improved.
However I found that from PX-720 to PX-730, the touch was not changed but the response was changed.
I thought they didn't change the action but the sensor.

About Linear Morphing AIF, I felt this piano was not good at playing piannisimo.
The change of tone in the range between ppp to mp was a little conservative.

Besides three sensors pick-up system and Linear Morphing AIF, I found the PX-730 had rich resonances with the sustain pedal.

Speaking totally, I think PX-730 is an excellent DP in this price level.

I feel like screaming. My final decision last month was down to the PX 320 vs YPG 635. I wanted the portability of the 320, but some of the features of the 635. Anyway less than a month later the 330 is available online for $699! I have HAS too. Sigh.

I may get the 330 anyway because I'm going to need portability and probably sooner rather than later, and now the few features the YPG has that it doesn't won't matter since I JUST Bought the 635.

BTW, as soon as that gigantic thing arrived in 2 boxes at my home I realized I would never return it...thus when I got ready to buy another DP I'll probably suck it up and pay taxes and a slightly higher price (maybe) just because of the greater ease of return...then again maybe not.

You might wrote about the couple of features that made you choose the Yamaha vs the Casio, but would you mind sharing this again?

Yes, but I want to correct myself in that I had actually come down to either the PX 320 or PX 575 vs. YPG 635.

There were different things missing on each keyboard, and without looking back at the specs I can't recall offhand, but it came down to lesser polyphony, lack of an educational suite, the lack of digital display, fewer recording tracks, difference in MIDI/USB ports, and heavier action on the Casios.

Altho' each of those Casio were better in some way, the YPG had all the features I wanted built right in at the right price.

I see they've added musical libraries and educational components to the new models and some more good stuff, so I think I would probably have chosen a PX if these models had been out.

I might be wrong but I suspect the musical libraries are the 60 classical pieces you can play as demo and educational component might be the ability to play slower these 60 classical pieces and play them with only the left or the right hand selected (which allows you to train the other hand). If that is so, the PX-320 does that already.
I did not see any information about any new educational feature.
I believe some edu systems slow down and keep in sync as the student struggle progressing through the score ...
I am always worried about marketing spin out about features that end up being not as useful sooner or later.
They improved the look of the PX-330 vs the 320. I am sensitive to that, not only the specs. Must resist ...

Yes I think the educational part was missing on the 575. It is just about having a music library and being able to learn right/left hand separately....not really a big deal, but with the Yamaha you have a whole bunch of extra songs you can load onto the keyboard.

Really, the only tempting thing for me is portability since I already have the YPG...so I might just end up getting an older model when the price drops.

I sounds like "Linear Morphing" means that instead of switching between the 4 levels of samples at certain velocities, they actually blend them together over a range of velocities. I'm curious if it's just a linear mix (as the 'linear' would imply) or they have a more complex algorithm. Does anyone else do that with sample based DP's?

As long as the samples were adjusted to be pitch perfect matches (which I'm sure they are), the differences would be in the overtones and whatever harmonics were captured. The question is does this successfully create the illusion of many more levels or just sound strange. I guess we'll find out.

Yeah, I noticed that too. My assumption is that they are not suppose to allow pre-ordering yet, and Mike "being part of Casio" made them drop it until the official release.

Just a guess, since both dropped near the exact same moment.

also played a PX-130 in Tokyo and agree with most of what mezzo-poor wrote. However, I was not as impressed with the instrument overall asI expected to be. First the good points:

- It looks pretty nice
- It sounds good. The piano tone is very nice and I think the organ sounds are much improved also.
- It feels a little more solid than before and I didn't hear any keyclick (on the admittedly new keyboard).

Now the less impressive points:

- The keyboard has a syrupy, sluggish feel to it, like the felt is too thick. I didn't feel this in the PX-320 next to it, and although I could play quickly, it didn't feel as responsive as I'd like.
- The 3-pedal unit looks very plasticky and fragile.
- The response to volume changes from ppp to mf is a little jumpy and not as smooth and intuitive as it should be.

In short, I don't think it's as much of an improvement as I was hoping. I can still recommend it, but I'd be more likely to steer someone towards a P140 or P155 if they can swing the difference.

http://casio-intl.com/emi/piano/privia/px330bk.html

The Casio intl site has a description of the new products.

I (still) haven't ordered the PX 320 that I intended to order early this year - so this is great!

looks like there will be 250 tones, 180 rhythms. I noticed Guitar Center is listing it at $699 available Aug. 31.... so we'll see. I will probably give them a call at that time.

Thanks for all who posted -

A few clarifications -

I will confirm but I'm quite certain the PX-130/330 have the same key action as previous models. It is the triggering system that is changed. A third sensor has been added for improved response to the touch. Key click can be addressed by the way its mounted and other enhancements to the chassis.

As for the transition between dynamic levels, there are adjustable velocity curves if the default one does not suit your needs.

-Mike Martin
Casio America, Inc.

I just heard about the new Casio Privia line to be sold in the US soon. I have a Privia PX-300 and a PX-200. The piano sample on the PX-200 is better than the one on the PX-300. Also the keyboard action is better on the 300. The keys are longer than the keys on the 200. I measured the keys on both boards in mm and there is no question Casio has changed the key design, not an upgrade improvement in my opinion. The 300 has about 100 rhythms onboard, the 200 only has 20 and all the tunes are classical. The PX-300 tunes have jazz, fusion, standards.

But the main thing that interests me about the new Privia line is the addition of a pitch bend wheel. Not sure if a mod wheel is included.

Does anyone know if the piano samples are the same on the PX-200 as the new Privias? They added felt to the key bed, so can anyone comment on the exact key measurements and how responsive the action is. How about the Rhodes/electric piano samples on the new ones compared to the PX-200?

Thanks for your help and advice

katt

The price war has already started - On Monday August 3rd I have been quoted and price matched by 2 online vendors $649 for a PX-330 deliverable in next 2 to 4 weeks.

If the actions on the new Privia's are the same then the keys will eventually become noisy--disappointing that Casio still hasn't corrected this. I read somewhere the new SP32 pedal is all plastic just like the SP30--no improvement or changes there either.

Can the pedal unit on the SP32 (or SP30) be separated from the long horizontal part that attaches to the stand?

Has anyone found a site that sells the casio cs67--the stand for px130/330?

JS Composer:
I think it's one integrated unit made to attach to the stands Casio makes for their pianos. The problem with this pedal is that the plastic casing that the pivot pin goes through eventually cracks and disintegrates with use. One user somehow modified his broken pedal making a metal case for it and got it working again. But the engineering on this pedal isn't up to the standard it should be.

Casio PX-130 come with Pearl White color and match with its white stand.

it's sure look pretty and "vitural-feeling of space-saving" very good for small house or small apartment with white wall.

Anyone know where to order PX-130WE in USA ???

THE PX130 IS NOW AVAILIBLE!!!!

Do Casio's really degrade to the clacking keys as fast as some say? Or is it over-exaggeration?

Mine loosened up after a couple months. Some take longer than others. The new PX-130 appears to be an upgrade. The piano sound seems improved, and the keys feel solid on the new models. Casio is now using a strip of felt over the backs of the keys so the key clack issue might be improved. But it is impossible to say for sure. If your concerned about the keys loosening up, you might want until it has been around for a while so it can be better assessed.

I haven't had "clacking keys" on my Privia PX-310 after almost 3 years of daily pounding. The keys are pretty loud, but all these keyboards share that. More of a thumping sound, with the volume/midi off.

The super-poor pedal unit is no joke--beware! It is shoddy & will disintegrate very quickly if you play much. Unfixable unless you have pro mechanical skills. Proprietary jack, meaning no half-damper for you once the pedal breaks; and it will.

Also the built-in sound has no pianissimo tone; just a less-loud version of the mp tone. And, the note sustain is too short in the upper register.

Maybe Casio will fix some of these things in these new ones; I would guess not.

Still, it's a good bargain & light. Caveat emptor.

I'm about to buy a PX-130, so I'll let folks know how it turns out. I want to thank everyone here for their advice that led me to this decision...I went into my local Guitar Center and they had the Yamaha P-155 next to the new PX-130 so I spent quite a bit of time going between the two (in fact they were close enough that I could play one with one hand and one with the other to get a sense of the different weighted action). In my mind, they both felt about the same and much superior to any other model in the room (mainly other less expensive Yamahas as I recall). With the Casio less than half the price of the P-155, it seemed like a no-brainer.

I would disclose I'm approaching this as a replacement for my acoustic piano, so am not looking for lots of bells and whistles other than key action/feel and the grand piano sound.

EMS:
I can verify what you say about the sustain of notes in the upper registers. This is probably to compensate somewhat for the limited poly. Does your PX310 ever sound like some of the notes are slightly out of tune on the piano voice? As for the pedal, the SP30 is a joke. Have heard that the pedal for the Yamaha YPG 635 is also plastic. Guess cheapness is a trend on low end pianos. One more observation, the PX 575 (which I own) is 3+ year old model. I guess this is a popular seller, but seems like it's due for revamping given it's limited Poly (32 notes) while all other Casio's DP have 128 Poly.

The pedal question is one of the things that ultimately pushed me to the Ap-200. The three-pedal unit is metal, and well integrated with the furniture-style stand.

I too have noticed that the sustain is lousy, and for this reason, my recital recordings use the maestro soundfont. Much better. OTOH, I bought the Ap-200 knowing full well that I didn't (and don't) care for the sound.

demos

px-130:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E90JGRaFkY

px-730:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44kkEtCex0

I played a PX 130 last night for the second time at Guitar Center. My impression of it is favorable. There has been improvement in the piano sound. Not sure I like the electric pianos so much, especially the 60's wurly. Strings sound somewhat better. On board rhythms no longer exist like they did on the PX-120. There is just a metronome. Sustain is still weak in the upper registers--second and third octaves above middle C. Piano action feels solid-about like the PX-320/120, when new. No sign of key clack, but unsure whether action will loosen up and become noisy in time. There is a piece of felt on backside of the keys-maybe this improves the keys slapping against their rests on return which contribute to clacking. Speakers seem to be redesigned. There is webbing on back of the piano, as well as a small slot on top of the piano. Bring a good pair of headphones to fully evaluate for yourself. Looks to be an upgrade to PX 120 sound wise.

If I do switch to PX for protability, I'd go for the 330 just because I want the outputs for speakers. Is there any disadvantaage to the 330 over the 130?

Also on the sustain pedal thing, with my YPG 635, I wanted a better sustain so bought the 3 pedal unit which attaches to the stand and I think the sustain is poor also, really not much better than the switch that came with the unit.

I wonder if this is a universal problem with DPs?

Has anyone auditioned a 730 next to a P155 fo FP7 for example? I am curious what the feel of the keyboard compares to in the same general price range.

Nikalette:
The PX330 is an upgrade over the PX130. I don't see any disadvantages. There are a bunch more things offered on the 330 including sounds, rhythms, line in, line out, and a 16 channel mixer for recording. Unsure what editing options are available on the piano for the mixer, but in this price range, this is big bang for the buck. It also has an LCD screen, but it looks small from the pictures I've seen. I've not seen a PX 330 yet and don't think there in wide availibility. The 130 just made it to stores in the last week.

Actually, the coolest thing on the PX-330 is that they apparently included a pitch-bend/mod wheel. This makes it *much* better as a MIDI controller and for use with lead/solo sounds (i.e. guitar, mono synth, etc.)

Casio PX 130 demo by musik schmidt; Good for checking out the sound (maybe) as I didn't understand a thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHExWyed8g

Oh, that was just posted on youtube today (sept 5) I see a few other video demos by them for the yamaha p155 and another casio model i think. ----The problem with these demos though is the sound is not nearly as stellar as the demo for the PX130 (link posted on the previous page) done by the casio marketing guy....that sound is superb and then when you compare the musik schmidt demo of the yamaha 155 the sound is not that hot and i know that the casio can't sound that much better than the yamaha- if anything the yamaha should inch it out perhaps----so the only way i figure to get a real comparison is to go to a guitar center that has both models in stock on their showroom floor, plug in your headphones to both and do a side by side comparison, not only of the sound but feel and touch etc.

The musik schmidt demos are cool enough but sound like they just miked the room....check out the official casio demo on youtube to see what i mean.

I finally have had a chance to try for 15-20 minutes the PX-130 at guitar center. There was next to it an AP-200, PX120, PX800, a Yamaha ypg-140, P-155, ...

All that follows is my opinion, and reflects what I like - you might feel differently.

1. The PX-130 action is improved compared to my PX-320. It seems tighter and more responsive - it is better in my opinion than the AP-200, PX120, pX800 that I have played next to it. I prefer it to the action of the YPG140 and YPG635 that was there as well.
2. I prefer the action of the P-155 action vs. the PX130.
3. Casio changed a little bit the shape of the black keys compared to the previous PX series - an improvement imo.
4. The PX-130 still sounds thin through the speakers.
5. I still don't like the voices other than Modern and Classic pianos. Even if they improved the strings, I still can't think I would ever use them.

To test the action, I play fast and try to be as fluid as it is possible on my Yamaha acoustic, I play trills that I learned from Sonatas and Chopin pieces.

Bottom line, I would buy the PX-130 as it would fit my needs for portability and silent practice. But unless it breaks, I would not replace my PX-320 for it.

Did you try the PX 330, since that's the upgrade from the model you have?

Vincent L.- the sounds you liked on the PX130, modern and classic piano...are one of those the 'main piano' sound? How did you like the 2 sounds you mentioned compared to the yamaha P155's main piano?

Nikalette- I think though that the 130 and 330 are the same action/playability-wise as well as the main sounds.

I just got a display PX 120 for $350. I'm just learning to play the piano though. Do you think I should return it and get the PX 130 at $500? I'd like to ask someone that has more experience with pianos than I do. I do like the feel of the PX series tho, more than the lighter feel of the Yamaha's. Whatcha think? Exchange or no? XD

what was the price you paid? As I mentioned to someone yesterday who had also bought a PX120 floor model for $350----this weekend musicians friend has the PX130 for $425...you have to order over the phone though and use the code word 'workers' to get the discount...check their site but like i said don't order there but over the phone with that # they give you on the promo which should pop up when you click on keyboards. So I'd probably say yes, but how much did you pay for it?

Oh. I'm the same person. I would love to order it, its just that I need to be able to try it out first, and needa be able to return my stuff first before I buy. As it is, I can't since I work all day tomorrow, just like I did today.

Edit:

The deal on musician's friend is good till Sep 7. Monday, 10:59 PM PST. I get off at work at 7 ISH, EST. Gives me an hour to drive home, grab the keyboard, and return (if needed), then take my time to order.

You are wonderful. Thank you.

There was no PX-330 to try. Guitar Center is a noisy place to play.
The p-155 is a very good DP, but it costs 2x more than the PX-130, so I don't consider the 2 DPs to target the same market.
My only point is that the PX-130 is a DP I can do with.

You have 3 piano voices on the PX-130 (like on the PX-120): Modern, Classic (darker) and variation (It's a piano voice with echo and other digital effects, which I do not know what it is for).
You then have electric pianos and some other voices like strings, organs, harpsichord, ...
I only cared for the 1st 2 piano voices on the PX-130 - I did not feel like I would use the other voices.
In that register, Yamaha does better. I remember I enjoyed laying out 2 voices together (Piano-Strings or Piano-Choir, ...) on my P-120.

The 3-pedals bar (SP32?) was not available for me to try it. I like the SP-30 I have on the PX-320. I know that I should expect it to fail.

Should you return your PX-120? If you have to cut on food to get the PX-130, I would not do it - If you can afford to pay for the PX-130 and you do not have to pay to return the PX-120, and you have the time to do so, I would go for it as I find the PX-130 action to be a little bit better than the previous PX-120, which is good imo.
The problem with such situation is that you might regret as time goes on if you don't do it. Both DPs are decent to learn with anyway you go for.

Thanks for your input. I'm going to try to get it. 75$ for the difference between an in-the-box newly released model, from the floor model of the older model, I'm willing to pay. The one thing TAKEN away was the rhythm accomp. if I read correctly above. Unimportant. (And I guess that's why I have my comp + midi controller)
When I receive it, I'll give what little feedback a newbie can. Because playing it in Guitar Center is completely different from trying it at home when its not so damn loud ( as i soon realized. )

Vincent, Thanks for the clarification on the voices. That's partly why I'm probably just going to go with the 130 as opposed to the 330 because it's often just those first 3, 2 or even just one main voice that you use or like anyway.

Oh, MeowR, is that you! Sorry, small world! The only potential problem may be that sometimes, depending how you paid i think, Guitar center and other places will issue you a check by mail within 7 days or whatever if you return stuff. If you have more available funds right now then no problem. --Unless GC will match the $425 and you can do a trade-up, that might work too...??

I'm still going through my own decision between the casio130 and yamaha p155 at more than twice the price. If the sound is obviously better on the yamaha I'll then have to decide if the perceived quality difference of the yamaha will push me to spending the extra for it----i feel like i'm trying to decide between a Hundai and a Toyota! Right now i'm leaning to the Hundai but don't want to feel sorry later.

Just wanted to point out on the Mike Martin Demo that the PX-130 is connected to an external amp/speakers. Notice there is a Y plug sticking out the side of the piano (where the headphones plug in). The internal speakers don't sound quite this good.

It did sound pretty darn good; I had thought maybe they were leading to a direct input to his recorder....but it does give perhaps an unrealistically rosey view of the 130 sound; the German 'Schmidt' video demos don't sound nearly as good even with yamahas i guess because they're really the instrument's speakers.

Tiny world.

@TyronB That demo and the one of the white colored PX 130 is also plugged in to external speakers. So those are NOT, definitely not representations of the sound. Besides, trying to listen to speakers through speakers is kind of.. well, doesn't work I think.

@limavady I've got enough, just more comfortable doing the transaction after I've returned it is all. If I can get Musician's Friend to price match some online deals on top of the workers discount, it might bring it to $450 with the CS 67 stand.

I think the USB Midi is a plus actually with the 130. Of course it kills the deal for a stage performer, but if you wanted a stage piano, you would probably lean toward the 330 or above anyhow. For home use, well, I don't have to always have my interface connected anymore.

If anyone already has this at home, or has played it in a quiet setting, would you be able to tell if the felt helps silence the thudding of the keys even just a little?

Yeah I guess so. I did at one point have my eyes set on the Casio PX 130/330 but I'm gonna pass it up and save for a Yamaha P155. Don't like the idea of buying twice.

I don't know if the thudding of the keys on some casios is something that happens at first; seems that people who've had this say it's after 6 months or so although others have said not at all. Still, this and perhaps another quality issue or two almost has me having buyer's remorse befor i even buy! It would be great it some of these 3 year extended warranty protection just said 'if it starts acting up or clunking in any way we'll give you a new one' but I'm not so sure they'll even acknowledge the thunking key issue at all. Guess i should call and ask but since the warranty company is a third party hard to say if customer service could tell you.

So yea TyronB, that's where I'm at as well. For the $425 compared to $960 for the P155, the PX130 is tempting to consider seriously but you're right that if in 6 months you wish you hadn't bought it and end up spending the $1000 on top of that...and I have to admit I've done this before. ---also i've got a cheaper (no weighted keys, 76 keys, one of the first of yamahas grand piano sound keyboard DGX300) and so i figured it was time to get a decent weighted 88 key DP; but i like the main grand piano sound on it so if the casio was not an improvement on that (not saying it's not but i'm going to go try and compare today) I'd feel like I was taking at least one step back.

One more thing that's on my mind is something that someone said i think on pg 2 here but that everyone after tended to ignore which was that on the 130/330 the felt was perhaps thicker or another piece stuck in the back supposedly to help the thunking issue but that then the response seemed a bit mushy (sorry i'm misquoting) which was not their experience with the 120 albeit at the expense or it perhaps developing the thunking sound.

Limavady:
The first time I played a PX-130 it was next to a Yamaha P-155. The action of the Casio felt stiffer than the P-155. Ultimately this is a personal decision and one that someone has to decide for themselves. You will probably find your fingers get tired after playing the Casio for extended periods of time. It's a matter of getting used to it and building up strength in your fingers.

Casio has put a strip of felt on the back of the keybed on the 130/330. The prior models 120/320 did not have this nor do any of the older Casio stage pianos in the PX line. This is no doubt to address the noisy keys issue that develops with many of their pianos. I'm sure Casio has received plenty of feedback through their website on this issue. Whether this cures the issue or not only time will tell. This should help as long as their isn't any defects with the keybeds themselves.

galaxy4t, It was Geoffk's post on pg. 2 that i was thinking of....he said the keyboard felt syrupy and had a sluggish feel to it and that the 120 next to it did not have this feel; so i'd have to guess it may well be the extra felt that's doing this. I'm not trying to bash the casio and i'd still like to consider it and of course the price right now is a big pull but i'm trying to consider all these things together...like you had said it may be a matter of waiting and seeing if the extra felt adresses the clunking issue. ---I was really thinking 'oh go ahead and get the casio at $425 what a great price and then in a year or so upgrade to the p155 or maybe the next version of that and have the casio as a backup/ travel model' .....but now i'm thinking of just getting the P155 and if the casio holds up to people's critiques in the next several months i could always get it as an affordable travel backup then if i wanted to.

....and yikes i see someone has posted that wwbw has a 20% off and that's even thru tuesday so $400. for PX130 now!; but it won't be the extra $25. that should or will make a difference in choosing it or not.

I just got back from Guitar Center. They were sold out of the PX 330 and didn't even have a floor model, they did have the 130 on the floor and a 100, as well as the 320 and the 575.

So: I thought the 130 was a huge leap from the 100, I don't know how the 100 compares with the 120 tho. Since the 330 and the 130 have the same keyboard, I assumed the 320 and the 120 did also. Anyway the 130 seemed way better than the 320.

I noticed an improvement in touch and sound, more so in the touch.

I am unable to find any shop in EU that has PX-330 in stock. Does someone know when it will be available over here ? Closes date I've seen is 28.09 on musicstore.de and I don't want to wait that long :-)

I think that's a German store that does the demos on the link provided on this thread....Is it Musik Schmidt?? ...but maybe out of stock too?

Most that I know are in Germany. But it does not matter as long as it is in EU (shipping fee is low and delivery time is short). So far, it seems no music shop has it in Europe. Apparently Casio is flooding the market with PX-130 first as it is expected to sell better.

So the Musician's Friend sale is for 20% over $1000 and 15% under $1000, plus with the Casios they charge an extra $10 for shipping and charge for the Adapter.

Kraft will match the 15% discount and they include the adapter.

ok that's nuts....but you're right or at least MF lists the adapter and scorebook as being sold seperatly. I called MF and they don't have that adapter listed in stock. I asked why they would sell it seperatly; how am i supposed to use it without an adapter?

The weird thing is when you google the PX330 it lists a few places that have them like music123 and guitar center and it says the adapter and score book are included....Also the casio website says YES next to both the adapter and score book...so is musicians Friend going in and pulling those items out of the box? ....or do they get some different packaging that doesn't include those items? ....or what i'm hoping is that that's a misprint and that those items are included in the box.

I'm going to call casio customer service tomorrow (just missed them by a few minutes) and hope they can tell me if all boxes of these items include the...friggin' adapter! So I'll let you know what i find out.

What's the score book? Is that the owner's manual? No one mentioned that. Casio is kind of notorious for not including adapters, but I think some of the online sellers are pretty cheesy that way, it's not just MF that says the adapter isn't included...one reason I went with Kraft. I know a lot of them with Yamahas list the Surivival kit as an added bonus, when it should come with the keyboard.

I hope I sell my stinkin' Yamaha or I'm going to be stuck with 2 keyboards for a while. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

I think that $100 off on the PX 330 is very good since it just came out, the guy at Kraft sounded very unhappy and double checked the MF sale, down to finding the 5 % difference for under $1k items, and noticing they charge $10 EXTRA for a 25 lb keyboard!

I told MF I would buy from them if they threw in the adapter and took off the $10, but they wouldn't. Kraft just matched the MF price plus included the adapter.

I would have called around some more, but the sale on MF was just about over so I figure if it doesn't work out I'm only out shipping costs,and the Casio will be way easier to return than the Yamaha.

The adapter, music stand, and a very cheap pedal are included with the Privia models.

If it helps, MF is an online only subsidiary of Guitar Center, so the package would be the same as sold in Guitar Center stores.

Rich

I got my 130 from Sweetwater, talked it down to $450, which is fine if I get their service. That's $450 shipped, no tax to TN. But check out the Guitar Center companies, Music123, WoodwindBrasswind (wwbw.com), zZounds, etc. Cos they are running 20% off any one item if you call in. So. Call in. ? This is all good till the end of today I believe.

By the way, if you're like me and prefer not to use an X-stand, the CS 67 is available from Sweetwater for $99.97, no shipping fee. That's their regular price too, so no worries on fluctuations upward.

MF doesn't charge on the PX pianos for shipping i think, least it was that way this morning.

Not having an adaptor included is ridiculous. That's just sending a 25 lb. paperweight.

No i think the score book is probably the music to the 60 songs on there- there are 60 pieces on there no?

Are they notorious for not including adapters? It says on MF under the PX120 that the adapter is included but for the PX130 and PX330 it says adapter and score book sold seperately...but one question; what other places say it's not included? On the Casio site it lists adapter as an accessory and then says YES next to that as it also does with the score book. Then down at the bottom it lists Optional Accessories; Stand. ----I think and am hoping what happened is some dweeb at MF read the specs from casio and assumed the word accessories meant that they were sold seperately since casio uses the word accessory for both what is apparently included as well the optional stuff- and then typed that assumption onto their spec page.

At least i hope so.

Like Dragon says above you would think the package would be the same but this is not always the case. Costco for example will have their own packs of things bundled differently than what you might get at other places.

I think the song book is for the PX 130...seems when I was reading the specs for 130 v 330, the 330 doesn't have the built in songs, but as a trade off it has the line outs.

wow you're right....now the only thing i hope you're wrong about (not you really but MF) is that damn adapter! ----Maybe the trade off for not having the songs is also the 16 track recorder/sd card slot.

Casio usually includes the AC adapter, a cheap pedal, and a music stand on all their pianos, unlike Yamaha who makes you buy it on some of their models. I think it's mostly the less expensive DGX/YPG non weighted keyboards where you have to buy the adapter. You can double check the spec sheet on the PX 130/330. It should list what accessories come with it. By the way, it looks like the PX 330 is available online from Guitar Center. I would think there will be floor models later this month to play and check out.

Nickalette: Yeah I do get smaller stuff from Musicians Friend and they are quick and reliable, but I've had the same experience with Kraft Music. If they can sell you a keyboard they will go the extra mile and do about anything to beat the competition and make you happy. I suppose Musicians Friend is a bigger outfit with more red tape, so the salespeople probably don't have much leeway. With Kraft, I think the salespeople are closer to the management and are given more authority to sweeten the deal.

I think the confusion, if it is that in fact, came about because on the MF site under the specs for the PX330 it says the adapter is sold seperately; and i'm thinking MF got this wrong because casio lists it as an accessory, however as an included one. MF took it as meaning optional and not included and jotted it down as sold seperate.

Yesterday though when i saw wwbw was offering 20% off any one item i called them and confirmed that the PX 330 would then be $560. Then i asked the salesperson if they would consider waiving the $21.00 shipping because the 330 seemed to be just about the same weight as the 130 which had free shipping. Without even blinking she said 'sure, she could do that' So i needed to run to the grocery store bank branch and stick enough money in my checking to cover it and when i came back wwbw was closed (6:00 edt) ---so i called MF and asked if they'd match the $560 as well as the free shipping saying it was no big deal i could just get it from wwbw in the morning. So the guy checks with his supervisor he says and they matched it. I was only planning on getting the PX130 originally but for only $60 more than the original price of the 130 i figured it was worth it to have the 16 track recorder plus extra sounds plus rhythms. So yea more like an extra $135 from MF's $425 labor day price on the 130 but I got a keyboard and treated myself to a new toy at the same time!

I think you did the right thing going for the 330. You will have more creative possibilities with all the extras it has over the 130. Even if you won't use it all right away, it's nice to have and be able to use later on.

I know you'll be getting yours in a bit lima. Let us know if it comes w/ the stuff or not. K. I did a bit of check, Sweetwater, most GC online stores (MF, M123, WWBW, blah blah..), American Musical Supply. Looks like in all the GC stores, the PX330 has the AC adaptor under optional accessories. Though I assume that that is so you can get a replacement one, I doubt they'd send one without an adaptor. Sweetwater, AMS, and the GC stores do not list any pedal or score book included though. At least I'm pretty sure they didnt. Bah. Its late.

The Privia pianos do not offer the option to be powered with batteries. Some Yamaha and other Casio do, and those models might not come with an AC adapter.
The same kind of gossip was going on when I was looking to purchase my PX-320. Of course it came with everything you need to start playing immediately in the box.

Sometime, on this topic and some others, I wonder if this is not the competition that spreads BS.

Please let us know what you think about your 330. We can't get our fingers on it so far.

Just ordered the PX 330 from wwbw and got the 20% discount and free shipping. Should be in my hands by Tuesday 9/15. The adaptor was listed on their site I believe it will be included.

The Power Adapter is included with both the PX-130 and PX-330. We will speak with GC and MF about updating their sites.

-Mike Martin
Casio America, Inc.

My demo was done by using the 1/8th inch stereo out, directly to an audio interface.

We are working on additional audio/video demos on the PX-330 now.

-Mike Martin
Casio America, Inc.

The YPG is a weighted keyboard and it comes with the adapter.

I went ahead and canceled my order with Kraft who told me they couldn't match the 20% price and placed the order with Music 123, for a price of $559. They have a 20% off 1 item customer appreciation sale right now and he agreed to drop any shipping fee as well. Kraft told me that M123 is making about $15 and that he couldn't match the price.

Mike Martin, Appreciate the clarification on the adaptor. --Like i'd mentioned a couple of times yesterday I imagine it was the person copying the info from the casio site and seeing the word 'accessories' ended up assuming that meant stuff you have to purchase seperately. Casio had listed accessories such as the the adaptor and music stand and put YES next to them and then at the bottom also listed optional accessories and they all got lumped into one when MF was doing the copying of the info, i reckon.

Well good for you Nickalette in getting that same deal and thanks galaxy4t on the encouragement on my purchase. I had originally just intended to keep my cost down as low as possible and get the 130 but with the labor day sales promos it really bridged the gap to where i just coudn't resist having not only the rhythms, extra sounds, 16 track recorder as the icing on the cake to play around with. my main interest right now is getting better and learning classical pieces but i like all music enough to want to play around with some of the keyboard featues of the 330 as well.

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I was considering changing my Roland HP-101 for a DP-990, but if Casio have cured the wobbly key problem on the PX-830 I may go for that...got to try one first though.
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limavady, the fun thing with the different voices as I've found is it makes it so much easier to practice scales. I didn't check and see if the Casio have the chorus/choir...it's totally fun to hear human sounding voices sing the scales. And then the harpsichord voice is great for Bach pieces. I'm happy to have the outputs so I can splurge later and get a little sound system, and there is a gig bag that fits the Casios. As you mentioned a 16 track recorder is awesome, and I'm so looking forward to being able to actually read music again with a stand that is not placed so far back.

Are you going to get the matching stand? I like the look of it. I'm holding off on that and the 3 pedal unit until I sell my current DP.

I have my old Casio CTK 591 which has a big songbook and educational software, so I guess I'll hang on to that.

Thanks for posting your deal, that's what encouraged me this morning to cancel and look for the best deal.

Nikalette, yea it's funny how we, or i should speak for myself, have our price points; when the PX330 was a total of $605 at MF (15% off and $10.00 shipping) I still was going to get the PX130 for $425. But when i saw the wwbw 20% off any item and was able to have them agree to the free shipping bringing it down to a total of $560 it bacame a little too close to the original PX130 price to pass up.

The stand does seem to look nice but i'm going to hold off for now. For one thing that price point thing; i've spent all I'm going to for the time being but more than that....isn't the stand one where you actually attach/screw-in the piano to that stand making it somewhat permanent? Not that i'm going to be toting it around all that much but I'd still like a little more portability than the stand bolted to it seems to give it. So after a month or two maybe i'll rethink that especially if i'm not moving it at all. The wiggle factor of the x stands is something to consider but doesn't really bother me much right now; maybe on the casio it could be a different story and make me consider the stand all the more, i don't know.

Haha! The price point change. It was $100 up for me from the used PX 120 to the new PX 130. That PX 330 looks really tempting, but since feel and sound are the same, I need to keep something in my pocket. Plus I got the stand YAY! I've been so lonely without something to practice on that I hooked up my M-Audio Axiom 49. And it feels so icky (though I was all happy when I got it before).

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It seems the new Privia range has arrived in the UK. WESTSIDE MUSIC CENTRES
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does anyone know when the px730 or px830 is going to be for sale for the US?

Ultomato-Mike Martin-the Casio Marketing director occassionally reads and answers posts on here. Perhpas he will answer this question.

PX-730 will be in next month. PX-830, not 2010.

Hello Mike, thanks for coming to our discussions. We also have a thread called Casio PX130/730/330 review for those of us who have made purchases in the last couple of weeks.

I'll mention this link over there also. There are some questions on features.

I wonder if anyone has gotten the cs67 stand along with theie 130 or 330? I think i read somewhere it's adjustable and i wonder how that works; that is could you re-set it without alot of hassle of it more or less screwed in where you set it? The other day I was reading the thread on correct height of the keyboard, floor to top of keys and i think the accepted height was 28.5"....I notice with the X stand I have now is that it's impossible to get it that low; i think i'm at 30.5....even looking at these stands on the MF site it seems they only go as low as 27" which would make it hard to achieve the 28.5' recommended. What's the deal? Hopefully the Casio stand will let you get that height if in fact that's the ideal height.

Changing the subject, i think the 830 has a sort of textured key surface if I'm not mistaken from what i read on the international casio site....so i guess they need to whittle down the stock of 800s before introducing that here especially since that textured surface on the keys sounds like a pretty nice innovation.

Limavady,
The height of the CS67 stand is not adjustable. I get you a measurement of the height of the keyboard when on this stand asap.

Mike Martin, Thank you!

By the way, that was some very nice playing you did on the PX130 demo...I especially liked the part where you had the split feature on with the bass on the left; I'm going to go back and watch and listen to that and try to sort of emulate what you're doing; don't worry, i'm a beginneer and won't even come close! It would be cool though if Casio had you do piano demos kind of like another company is apparently sponsering 'the piano guy' only he sounds a little like cruise ship piano guy, not that there's anything wrong with that. Ok, I better shut-up but seriously I'd love to hear you share some of your playing maybe on a tutorial type level...Your gig with casio perhaps does not give you enough time etc to also do this but just putting in a request!

I just got my PX330 today (cs67 stand arrived Friday :-( ), and the 3 pedals, and set everything up tonight. For limavady, I measure the stand at 28 5/8" from the floor to the tops of the white keys (give or take an 1/8"). For comparison purposes, my Baldwin upright (on wheels) is 27 5/8". I don't notice the height difference.

I really like the stand, it has a nice finish that integrates well with the piano, it's stable, and I like how the piano screws into it securely. If you want to transport the keyboard, just unscrew 4 easy wingnuts, unscrew 2 screws from a metal support bar in the keyboard, and you are good to go.

I posted most of this at an inquiry over at ABF but I'll repost it here:

I just came back from the mall and the Casio showroom. I'm friends with the Casio salesguy and he let me try out the new models and even gave me the only(!) brochure in the store. I was surprised they already have the new PX-730 on display and that's what I tried out. (I was expecting new models to come slowly in my country). The changes aren't drastic enough to warrant an upgrade for someone who owns the previous generation's DP, but the improvements are nice. Some highlights:

- I thought the keys felt more responsive and less sluggish. The first few weeks that I owned my PX-720, I thought the keys were somewhat sluggish, but I don't notice that anymore nowadays (I guess I adapted?).

- The heavy key weight was still there, but somehow they felt easier to press in the PX-730. I think the key return is also a tad faster.

- It has a USB port which is a feature I wish my PX-720 had.

- The first thing I noticed was that the keys vibrate. They don't in the PX-720 because the speakers are detached below the keyboard and the feeling was weird at the start. Actually I'm not sure where the speakers for the PX-730 are located.

- I thought the tone was good but nothing to rave about. I can't compare it with the older one because it was noisy at the mall. The electronic piano setting is horrible IMO.

- According to the brochure, the PX-830, Celviano AP-220, AP-420, and AP-620 are coming soon. (But they weren't in the store yet).

- The PX-830 has an interesting cover which opens up and doubles as a music rack (at least that's what it looks like from the pictures). I'd get the PX-830 just for that - the music rack runs the whole length of the piano so you can place a lot of sheet music there! I'm not a fan of the PX-720/730 music rack which looks really cool but is too short and flimsy. The PX-830's music rack seems thicker and sturdier.

- One thing I found interesting was that the Celviano AP series now come with a piano bench! Piano benches are also listed as accessories in the "Privia Optional Accessories" page. I'm definitely going to get one

I'm planning to get another DP for weekend and holiday practice at home and was thinking of getting a Clavinova but now I'm considering the new Casios as well. The price points and features just can't be beat! I just think I'd feel a bit weird if I had both the PX-720 and PX-730 Maybe I should spring for the PX-830 or a Celviano instead.

What's the maximum power one can get from the LINE OUT terminals of PX-330 ? May I for example attach 20W speakers to them without using amplifier ?

Line OUT signal must be amplified.

Posting my PX 330 review on the Review thread.

Any idea on when in 2010 the PX830 might be available in the USA?

My best guess is that the PX830 will be available here in the US in early February.

Hi Guys! If someone wants to hear the new Celviano Products here is the main page with the demos of AP-220, AP-420 and the AP-620.

http://www.celviano.eu

!Good luck!

Based purely on the technical specs the new AP620 specs will be the top of the Casio digital piano line - even providing 30 watt amps instead of 8 watt as with the PX-830.

Wish Casio provide the specs of the AP620 in a PX-830 form factor.

Strange - i though I have read the specs of the px-830 and it 2 x 20 Watts, which is the same as the AP-420

when will AP-620 be available in the US?

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I guess the big difference between the Celviano AP-X20 range and Privia PX-830 is the latter is a compact piano, just what I'm looking for.

I like the red felt behind the keys, probably does nothing more than make the keyboard look like that of a real piano but a nice touch.
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Am I right in thinking the PX830 is a dressed up version of the 130/330? I don't mean this in a bad way just that there isn't anything new or improved in the action of sound reproduction...although the speaker system is no doubt bigger and better and with more power and of course the texture of the keys but digitally so to speak everthing is the same, is that right? And of course having a louder and better speaker system would be a significant step up because the onboard speakers on the 130 and 330 are not all that great and the quality of the sound reproduction only really comes out through headphones on those models, so better speakers would be kind of a big deal potentially. Sorry, don't mean to ramble just comparing in my own mind what the advantages of the PX830 might be; I see in the specs that it doesn't have the 16 track recorder that the 330 does but it's recorder has a '5000 note limit'. It does have the sd card though and like the 130 (but unlike the 330) it has the 60 songs/scorebook feature. I'm not sure if it has the line-in feature so you can line in an outside device like a cd player.

What i really wanted to bring up though and ask about is the pedal unit. it looks to be integrated into the cabinet. With the 330/130 (730 I'm not sure) you can just get the 3 pedal unit optionally so if it were to have a problem getting another pedal unit from another manufacturer would be no big deal but how about the 830 since it looks more built into the cabinet? i know it's somewhat up in the air if this is an issue or a non-issue, the quality of the 3 pedal unit but would you be able to replace it if need be with another maker's 2 or 3 pedal unit? ...So if there's a place to plug it in like on the 130/330 would another unit have to sit bu itself outside the cabinet or would it be able to fit into it?

Lima,
Looks like the PX 830 is actually the PX-130 in a console cabinet with the Ivory keys and a 40 watt amp. Pedal unit appears integrated like a Celviano. Actually, I'm wondering about the PX-730 as the 730/830 are so close in features. The only thing different is the 830 has the console cabinet, ivory coated keys, and 40 watt amp. Pedal unit seems integrated and proprietary.

On the 730 the pedal that is? So maybe the worst case scenario would be if the pedal broke you'd have to just get another...does it then just unplug from the 830/730 i wonder and you can pop a new one in? I'm sure the casio guy is freaking out but i am saying IF it broke!

Lima,
If the pedal were to break on a 730/330/130, it can be replaced. It is on a bar that attaches to the wooden stand. The 830 is built more like a Celviano where the pedal is part of the cabinet. It is surprising to me how close these two are in features.

The models that are closest to each other are the PX730 and PX830 because they're console types. For my secondary DP, I'm leaning towards one or the other, though the PX830 has the upper hand for now. (Though I may have to shell out a bit more than I want to). Lemme see...according the brochure, the main differences between the two are:

Speakers: PX-830 = 20W+20W / PX-730 = 8W+8W
SD card slot for the PX-830
Line Out for PX-830 2(L/MONO,R). No Line In listed.
Both have USB ports. NO MIDI ports.
The PX-830 has a head phone hook. The music stand is integrated on the key cover.
And of course, the very nice keys on the PX-830 which attracted me to it in the first place. Digital-spec wise, I believe the Privia line is the same all through out, though.

Marimorimo,
There were more differences between the PX-720, PX-800 which the 830 replaces this year. The 720 had 11 tones 2 track 5000 note recording, Midi IN/Out. The PX-800 had 162 tones, 50,000 note recorder, Card Reader, Line Out, USB, Midi. So clearly, they've taken features off the new model and now there are less differences between them.

The 830 though still has the card reader (730 does not). In some ways taking off the 162 tones and just having 16 (on both 730 and 830) is no big deal to me. I guess the look of the 830 is a little more formal living room style than the 730 but the biggest differences i see are the 20w amp over the 8w amp and the textured keys.

I'd like to see a morphing of features on a model....maybe call it the 530...not that it would have everything in the interest of cost but my wish list would be;

1. 16 tones would be sufficient. 2. Better sound quality out of the amp/speakers, not necessarily the 20w/channel like the 830 but enough and quality of speakers to not have people say the sound quality leaves something to be desired where you need to use headphones to be happy.
3.Two headphone jacks that are 1/4" and on the front not the side.
4.Line-outs and just as importantly, line-ins like on the 330. Lets you tap in a cd or other device for reference learning. Card reader.
5.Just the metronome would be ok; at least the 5000 note recorder but why not make it a little more not necessarily the 16 track as on the 330.
6. The textured keys.

So basically still portable like the 130/330 but with decent sound from the speakers and the textured keys. And since it would be not including some of the features on the 330; extra tones, 16 track recorder, rhythms, or of course the included stand/cabinet of the 730/830, make it the same list as the 330. Also leave in the 60 songs/book.

The following is not specific to Casio, I would say the same about Roland or Yamaha if they had similar models:

The 16 track recorder can make sense on a DP like the 330 as it has all the voices to "simulate" a band or an orchestra. That is not the case of DPs like the 830 with its 16 voices.

I don't see the big + to have the headphones plug on the front. It is not a + to me, it is a cons as it is more likely to be bothered with it when I play - I have no issue with the plug on the side.
There are adapters if the 1/4 vs. 1/8 is an issue - so not a show stopper there either.

So you are looking for something like the 830, but you seem to be concerned about the price. This is the unknown so far. I do not expect Casio to surprise us negatively in this area.
Where I would pay attention is the overall quality of the DP, including the cabinet and its finish, pedals and keyboard. I expect them to progress (read being more aggressive after brands known to deliver quality products and having exemplary customer service) in this area.

Vincent, I think those are good points you made about the headphones in front as well as the plug size being no bigee.

The price is not necessarily the issue. I'm thinking the PX830 probably will list at $899 (I could be wrong but i'm basing this on the PX800 currently going for 899 it seems everywhere)so if you could snag a 20% deal like most places had and some still do you could maybe get the PX830 for $720 (again, somewhat conjecture) That's not all that much more than the $560 the PX330 can be found for and with the inclusion of the stand and better keys, 3 pedal unit...that's fair. ---My idea on a DP that would include the better key surface as well as an improved speaker system (say even 12 w per channel with better speakers) was just to retain the portability of the PX130 with a couple of the higher quality features of the 830. ----If the textured keys go over well I'd almost imagine they'd just put them on all their DPs with the next generation so if they just made the speaker system more of winner, added the line-in, line-outs, and the textured keys they would have better 130 so to speak.

Lima,
Since it appears Casio is trying to fill what it sees as a void in the marketplace (light weight and portability) they are forced to make trade offs. And one of those in my opinion is the on board speakers. One of the things that also steered me toward the 575 was I thought it sounded better through its on board speakers than the PX 320 when I was comparing. To be fair, the cabinet is bigger on the 575 and it weighs more. I imagine they could use better components, but that would likely cause the price to go up, and considering Casio is keeping these pianos well below what Yamaha charges they are competing on price and features or adding more value for less money. That seems to be central to how their pianos are marketed. That's not to say they might not change this philosophy as I expect with Mike Martin on board, (being a professional musician with his background and contacts), Casio's quality will go up rather than down.

galaxy, no, i hear you and my post was not so much as a complaint rather than more of a composite wish-list of the features i'd like to see in one piano; the portability but also a bit better sound from the speakers; and then not taking away the line-ins on the 830 which for me is a great learning tool as i've been recording snippets off of youtube, lessons as well as just people playing pieces, and then using them as references to learning while i'm playing. So by lining in my (md recorder) i don't have to keep taking off headphones and swapping them with the md's headphones because i'm just lined in on the 330 which is the only one of the 4 that have this. Then of course the textured keys sound like something to throw into the mix! But i realize you can't make all the people happy all the time! My idea of eliminating some features such as the 16 track recorder, the rhythms and the extra tones and then adding in the nice keys, the line-ins and the even slightly improved speakers was an acknowledgement of cost factors and why i figured such a composite as i'd wished for might go for about the same as the 330 does now.

What are the 16 sounds on the px 130? I cannot find anyplace that actually tells me what those sounds are. lol

Here they are, NoFingers:

Grand Piano Modern
Grand Piano Classic
Grand Piano Variation
Elec Piano
FM E Piano
60's E Piano
Harpsichord
Vibraphone
Pipe Organ
Jazz Organ
Elec Organ 1
Elec Organ 2
Strings 1
Strings 2
Bass (Lower) 1
Bass (Lower) 2

They are on page E7 of the manual and also in the appendix.

Note that the two Bass tones only apply the tone to the lower part of the keyboard.

Rich

Thank you, DragonPianoPlayer. I forgot about trying to download the manual. Another question, if you or anyone knows, is the 4 sampled layers for the Grand Piano modern only, or does it include classic and variation as well?

All of the pianos use 4 dynamic layers.

Both those piano sounds are nice but i like the classic better; no doubt suited for classical more than the modern which is brighter, although i play as much popular music I still prefer the classic sound a bit more.

A question for Mike Martin if he might know this; Will the white PX130 be released in the U.S. any time soon? I like my 330 so much i'm considering getting a 130 for someone as a Christmas gift.

Thanks for the clarification Mike, I appreciate it.

limavady> I agree with you as well, I also tend to like the mellower/darker tone more then the brighter on just about any type of music, classical or not.

We have not confirmed if we will be bringing in the white model yet. If we do, it would be February or March at the earliest. I'll try to keep you posted.

HI Mike,
when will the new AP models be here? AP620

I best guess at this time is early Spring - Perhaps March.

thank you

Question to Mike:
Re. PX-130:
How do you master a soundmodule since there are no MIDIports?

Am I right in this:
The tone "60's e.piano" is sampled with tremolo on PX-330, without tremolo on PX-130?

Mike, Thank you for the feedback concearning the px130 white model (currently in Europe)---I'd overlooked your response a few days back, so once again, thanks!

It seems very strange to me for Casio to announce a product like the AP-620 and provide technical specifications for it and include it in the company's marketing literature in September and yet not plan to have it available for another 6 months?

Guess I will be getting a Korg or a Yamaha instead.

On the other hand the 130 and 330 came out here in the US a little earlier than was first anticipated if you read the early part of this thread. Someone on the last page said the big difference between the 830 and the AP620 was the cabinet but another couple of differences would be the 30w per channel on the AP620 as opposed to 20w per channel on the px830 and the AP620 has 250 tones instead of the 16 on the 830....but still i suppose the point of the cabinet being the big difference is a fair one (considering the extra tones are...)

The PX830 is similar to the AP420 (not 620) except the cabinet.
The PX330 is similar to the AP620, except the cabinet, pedals and the 2 x 30 W speakers

It may be standard procedure in the digital piano world but I find it very odd for a manufacturer like Casio to announce new products in June, release specifications in September, and yet not be able to actually make the product available to customers until March of 2010. I think they are doing a disservice to their dealers who have the "old" product to sell and to potential customers who want to buy a digital piano but have to decide between a real piano that can be played and reviewed and ones that are described in the manufacturer's marketing pieces.

I have been trying to decide on a DP and this forum has been very helpful. But I am not about to wait until April 2010 to get one actually shipped to my house. I do not see this lag time with other digital equipment, including items that are far more sophisticated in terms of their design and manufacturing complexity, so one has to wonder why Casio requires 9 months to get their digital pianos into the pipeline and into customers' hands.