Piano World Home Page Forums Our Most Popular Forums Pianist Corner Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises??

Would you be so kind to post it? I would really appreciate it
I suppose you're talking about the one not edited by Julio Esteban.

Yes, I could not find the unabridged edition. Only the Julio Esteban. Please post it!

To all members and moderators: I am sorry if the posting of mine is actually illegal. I posted what I had downloaded for free from I can't remember where.

But, on the other hand, I think it would be legal for someone to scan and make available one of the old, out of copyright, Schuberth editions of the Liszt (I think Schuberth published it twice), without running afoul of the copyright law protecting the Alfred edition. If someone knows otherwise, please correct me. Actually, I am a little surprised no has done that already, and uploaded it to IMSLP. There are copies in various libraries.

Also surprising is that, to my knowledge, no one has put the Hummel piano method online; that would probably be of interest to many. I don't think there even are any editions of it under copyright at this point, so it would be legal.

Funny about "Happy Birthday to You" being under copyright - it also means that royalties are owed whenever it is performed in public.

An unabridged edition is published by Editio Musica (Budapest) and it is called "Technische Studien".

That's why you almost never hear it on television or in the movies, and why restaurants always make up their own stupid little chants. (Otherwise, the restaurant would actually have to pay royalty fees.) That's also why the only piano methods to use the happy birthday song are those published by Alfred.

Is there anywhere that you know of where the pdf can be downloaded for free? I didn't find it at waffles.fm or pianosheets.org

If you would allow me, I'd like to say this is an example of a global tragedy: copyright law

What happened is that certain ideas, the only things books can sell, were made disenfranchised from the market. Interested parties have precedent and other interested parties on their side thusly things will remain as they are. Right now, certain ideas are owned by individuals and are made illegal to share off a certain market. The Happy Birthday song is not the sheets of notation yet it is defined thusly. This narrow gulf between reality and law is absurd yet we pay deference to our master because he's got a righteous wad of cash flanked by armies of attorneys.

It is justly suggested that publishing houses do real work and deserve to be paid for their goods. It may be possible to purchase the Alfred or Henle editions of such and such books but this doesn't justify a legal framework for massively inflating the value of ideas. This is a tariff on the traffic of freedom. Ideas are what inspire women and men to act. In this situation, the decision is to purchase the product or not and the result is of little importance to society but a critical mass of prohibitions to freedom curtail the development of new markets and new money.

I wish this were the place to rant about copyright law but I know when to shut my mouth. Can I just have an "Amen"?

I am sorry! I do not have it on the computer.

However, here is a link to a thesis where the exercises are analysed:

http://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/unsworks:2746

Where can you buy the unabridged one?
Wherever I look (on the net) there are heaps of different volumes, editions, things that look similar but are completely different, etc. I don't want to buy the wrong one , which one do I buy?
Thanks

EDIT: Don't worry I found it, maybe next time I should be quicker to check the publishers site

Amen. I couldn't agree more, and I love the 'Happy Birthday' example because it epitomizes copyright ridculousness, not like there's any shortage of fresh sillyness on the topic.

I heard a radio documentary some time ago, the details are a bit foggy but the idea was the copyright originally came about to protect cultural creators, encourage them to create - so's to enrich the public domain.

It was in response to all sorts of chaos in the publising world. People were freely plagiarizing, legitimate works got distorted, publishers would sell someones work without paying them. So the original copyright gave exclusive rights to the creator for a few years after its creation (somewhere around 12 I think) before it became public domain, so they could earn their money but still have to keep busy producing new works.

Then the length of copyright grew bit by bit until what we have now - 70 years after death, 90 in certain business situations (I believe this is the case with Micky Mouse). That's almost another lifetime, so people can only have free access to culture a generation removed?

...and the actual creators are generally not the ones who benefit most.

When copyright law was first conceived, there were no corporations - not in the way we have them now, anyway.

I'm in favour of making copyright law even stricter and nastier than it is now, but at the same time limiting the copyright to five years, and making explicit in the law that any work having demonstrably existed for five years would become public domain, notwithstanding later modification by the author or anything else.

On the budapest website which contains the unabridged version of the technical exercises, what are the differences between the blue and grey book? Also, there are individual volumes like volume 7 and 2 and etc. What are the differences between all of these books?

The blue one is like 2-3 times more expensive.

The blue books are hardcover and very nice quality. The grey is paperback and still pretty high quality. I think the high price tag is due to the fact that it's imported from Hungary. And the individuals are portions of the exercises. I bought the first volume for about 50 bucks and it was a good investment. Planning on getting the other two volumes once I've got volume 1 under my fingers.

Which version did you buy? I'm guessing the paperback version? It seems wild that being a hardcover adds 40-50 dollars to the cost, especially for volume 3.

For volume 3 as well, there is a description that distinguishes the blue from the grey version that isn't written for the volume 2 and 1 books. It goes,

"This publication is available in two versions: bound in blue linen, or in grey boards. Only the former version contains the descriptions of sources and the critical notes."

Is it only the third volume that requires the blue version to have everything in it?

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I play out of the liszt exercise book pretty often. I usually pick out certain techniques that I need to improve on. It has pretty much any technical challenge you can think of, and some you can't. I really love how each challenge is present in increasing levels of difficulty. for example if you want to work on double thirds there will be a fairly simple exercise to start with, then several following exercises that build off the previous ones. It's a great book to have.

Do you have the budapest unabridged version? If so, can you possibly answer the questions I have? I want to know a few of the things before purchasing it myself.

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I don't know if this is possible for you, but if it were me, I'd get them from a library to peruse, using interlibrary loans if necessary.