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#1237275 - 07/25/09 06:25 PM My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls)
pianogal37 Offline
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Registered: 05/25/09
Posts: 214
Today I went to the Kawai etc. piano store, and played 4 Kawais, a Steinway, a Mason and Hamelin, a Heintzman, and a 40 year old yamaha(!). Previously I was pretty much sold on a Yamaha Gc2. Much to my surprise, I really liked the sound of the Kawai pianos. RX2 is out of my price range, but the GE30 is potentially do-able. It is selling in the sale for $14995 Canadian plus 12% tax equals $16235 all inclusive. Is this a good deal? I have been quoted $20000-25000 sale price on the Yamaha GC2, and the fact the Kawai is so much less expensive is very compelling, not that I want to make a decision only on price. new piano, 10 yr warrantee, 1st tuning included, adjustable piano bench. It is a 5 foot 5 instead of a 5 foot 8, but I like the sound of both the Yamaha and Kawai.
Does anyone have any guidance? I am seriously considering mulling it over for a couple of days and buying it.
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#1237299 - 07/25/09 07:10 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: pianogal37]
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Loc: ♪oron♪o, on♪ario, canada...
I bet your are from BC (12% taxes). I am glad we don't have Tom Lee here in TO. Otherwise we would be hit with severely inflated Yamaha prices.

Stay away Tom Lee...stay away... smile
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#1237308 - 07/25/09 07:27 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: pno]
Norbert Offline
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Loc: Surrey, B.C.
pianogal:

There are 2 issues I can see:

Quote:
It is selling in the sale for $14995 Canadian plus 12% tax equals $16235 all inclusive. Is this a good deal?


The first question would be: is this really a "sale" price or just 'normal' selling price?

Hopefully we don't start with a misrepresentation of sorts... frown

The only way of course to find out is to ask the dealer to be given a look at invoices written to previous customers before when the piano was not "on sale" proofing that the "normal price" is in fact much higher.

It would otherwise be a.....you fill in the blanks!

However, I doubt you will succeed with this...

The second and perhaps more important question is how the piano you are interested in compares to others at or near same price range.

This is not only the more important but also "dangerous" area - for the dealer, now having to compete with somebody else's product head on! mad

If a Hailun or Brodmann dealer is in your neighbourhood, these guys could give you plenty of ammunition to at least have one of their pianos tried by yourself with you then returning to the Yamaha dealer later explaining that there are other possible pianos worth your consideration.

Let's see, how much flex there suddenly can still be on "Sale prices" again..... wink

Norbert grin





Edited by Norbert (07/25/09 07:40 PM)
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#1237356 - 07/25/09 08:50 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: Norbert]
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Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: Norbert
pianogal:

There are 2 issues I can see:

Quote:
It is selling in the sale for $14995 Canadian plus 12% tax equals $16235 all inclusive. Is this a good deal?


The first question would be: is this really a "sale" price or just 'normal' selling price?

Hopefully we don't start with a misrepresentation of sorts... frown

The only way of course to find out is to ask the dealer to be given a look at invoices written to previous customers before when the piano was not "on sale" proofing that the "normal price" is in fact much higher.

It would otherwise be a.....you fill in the blanks!

However, I doubt you will succeed with this...

The second and perhaps more important question is how the piano you are interested in compares to others at or near same price range.

This is not only the more important but also "dangerous" area - for the dealer, now having to compete with somebody else's product head on! mad

If a Hailun or Brodmann dealer is in your neighbourhood, these guys could give you plenty of ammunition to at least have one of their pianos tried by yourself with you then returning to the Yamaha dealer later explaining that there are other possible pianos worth your consideration.

Let's see, how much flex there suddenly can still be on "Sale prices" again..... wink

Norbert grin


So in one post you mangaed to:

1. Start talking about pianos you sell that are not part of the thread
2. As a dealer imply that another dealer my be lying about the "sale"
3. Instruct a customer on how to "squeaze" another dealer on price
4. Way overdo emoticons

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#1237371 - 07/25/09 09:12 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: pianoloverus]
pno Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1043
Loc: ♪oron♪o, on♪ario, canada...
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Norbert
pianogal:

There are 2 issues I can see:

Quote:
It is selling in the sale for $14995 Canadian plus 12% tax equals $16235 all inclusive. Is this a good deal?


The first question would be: is this really a "sale" price or just 'normal' selling price?

Hopefully we don't start with a misrepresentation of sorts... frown

The only way of course to find out is to ask the dealer to be given a look at invoices written to previous customers before when the piano was not "on sale" proofing that the "normal price" is in fact much higher.

It would otherwise be a.....you fill in the blanks!

However, I doubt you will succeed with this...

The second and perhaps more important question is how the piano you are interested in compares to others at or near same price range.

This is not only the more important but also "dangerous" area - for the dealer, now having to compete with somebody else's product head on! mad

If a Hailun or Brodmann dealer is in your neighbourhood, these guys could give you plenty of ammunition to at least have one of their pianos tried by yourself with you then returning to the Yamaha dealer later explaining that there are other possible pianos worth your consideration.

Let's see, how much flex there suddenly can still be on "Sale prices" again..... wink

Norbert grin


So in one post you mangaed to:

1. Start talking about pianos you sell that are not part of the thread
2. As a dealer imply that another dealer my be lying about the "sale"
3. Instruct a customer on how to "squeaze" another dealer on price
4. Way overdo emoticons





... and 5. You missed something that Norbert has edited out, which involved you and me in it.
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#1237393 - 07/25/09 09:50 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: pno]
Marty Flinn Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 2604
The Yamaha GC2 is a great piano for the money. It is basically a C2 in a stripped down cabinet.
The Kawai GE30 is also a great piano. It is basically an RX 1 in a stripped down cabinet. The GE 30 would be more comparable to the Yamaha GC1.
Better to compare apples and apples when you can. I am confident you could be happy with either.
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#1237394 - 07/25/09 09:54 PM Re: My unexpected potential new piano...(guidance pls) [Re: Marty Flinn]
Norbert Offline
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Registered: 07/03/01
Posts: 14601
Loc: Surrey, B.C.
Last week just i bought another real estate.
Price came down after we showed planned, written offers on 2 others in mind.

Now I go shoot real estate lady for suggesting this...

Norbert grin
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