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#1233108 - 07/17/09 08:05 PM Pedagogy recommendations?
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Hi, I have Bastien's How to Teach Piano Successfully, but am interested in other recommendations, particularly I am looking for a more detailed book. Thanks.

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#1233110 - 07/17/09 08:17 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: chasingrainbows]
Minniemay Offline
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The Bastien title is really a misnomer, imo.

If you really want a good, solid study of pedagogy, try these two:

A Piano Teacher's Legacy (Chronister/Darling) available through the Frances Clark Center for Keyboard Pedagogy (www.francesclarkcenter.org)

and (from the same organization)

Questions and Answers by Frances Clark.

I also highly recommend that you get a subscription to Clavier Companion. You'll find a link for it at the same website.

I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher". If you have the money, you might also consider Practical Piano Pedagogy by Martha Baker (Jordan).
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#1233114 - 07/17/09 08:25 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
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+5 These books have been invaluable resources for me. I've read them cover to cover many, many times.
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#1233125 - 07/17/09 08:56 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
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I +5 John's +5.
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#1233128 - 07/17/09 09:04 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Kreisler]
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I also highly recommend "Thinking as You Play" by Sylvia Coates.

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#1233345 - 07/18/09 12:23 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: lizcovedale]
Minniemay Offline
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Funny I haven't seen it yet. I was a grad student under her many years ago.
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#1233512 - 07/18/09 05:19 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
AZNpiano Offline
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay
I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher".


Can you explain why? I've seen the book, but never actually opened it to read it.
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#1233530 - 07/18/09 05:48 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
chasingrainbows Offline
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay
The Bastien title is really a misnomer, imo.

If you really want a good, solid study of pedagogy, try these two:

A Piano Teacher's Legacy (Chronister/Darling) available through the Frances Clark Center for Keyboard Pedagogy (www.francesclarkcenter.org)

and (from the same organization)

Questions and Answers by Frances Clark.

I also highly recommend that you get a subscription to Clavier Companion. You'll find a link for it at the same website.

I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher". If you have the money, you might also consider Practical Piano Pedagogy by Martha Baker (Jordan).


Thanks so much! i really appreciate the recommendations and "non recommendations!"

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#1233531 - 07/18/09 05:50 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: chasingrainbows]
chasingrainbows Offline
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Thanks to John D, Liz and Kreisler for the input. I will order those books asap.

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#1233556 - 07/18/09 07:27 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: AZNpiano]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: Minniemay
I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher".


Can you explain why? I've seen the book, but never actually opened it to read it.


Same here, I thought it was a well-thought out book. It was recommended by my grad piano teacher for the pedagogy class I was taking.
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#1233574 - 07/18/09 08:38 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Morodiene]
Minniemay Offline
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I really found little of practical use in it, especially for a new teacher. You never really get into anything of depth or importance as it pertains to how children learn, how to evaluate materials, how to develop a curriculum, let alone developing a solid philosophy of teaching.

I own it and have read it, but it sits on my shelf collecting dust.
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#1233595 - 07/18/09 09:54 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
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Loc: northern California
Originally Posted By: Minniemay
The Bastien title is really a misnomer, imo.

If you really want a good, solid study of pedagogy, try these two:

A Piano Teacher's Legacy (Chronister/Darling) available through the Frances Clark Center for Keyboard Pedagogy (www.francesclarkcenter.org)

and (from the same organization)

Questions and Answers by Frances Clark.





















































I also highly recommend that you get a subscription to Clavier Companion. You'll find a link for it at the same website.

I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher". If you have the money, you might also consider Practical Piano Pedagogy by Martha Baker (Jordan).


Thank you for these book recommendations! I went to the site and purchased the first one you listed. Cheaper than at amazon, by the way.
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#1233600 - 07/18/09 10:04 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
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The Well-Tempered Keyboard teacher is a good overview, but as Minniemay said, there's not much in the way of practical information. For example, it provides a brief overview of three approaches to teaching reading at the elementary level: Middle C, Multikey, and Intervallic. It gives advantages and disadvantages and explains that most modern methods combine these approaches in some way. But you're out of luck if you find yourself thinking "hmm...I wonder what kind of activities would prove useful in Jason's lesson this Wednesday...he's having trouble in sight-reading pieces in pentascale positions, and I'm wondering what to do with him."

My favorite part of the book is the overview of historical pedagogy. The chapters on various pedagogues and schools of thought are rather interesting, as is Elyse Mach's chapter on contemporary pianists. (It's condensed from her own book, "Great Contemporary Pianists Speak for Themselves", which is less expensive and contains quite a bit more information.)

Where practical matters are concerned, I far prefer Frances Clark's book, and can also recommend Philip Johnston's books "The Practice Revolution" and "The Practiceopedia." They are a Gold Mine of good advice.

My biggest problem with the book is that it's $80. It's conceived, marketed, and priced like a college textbook.

For the same $80, you could get a year's subscription to Clavier Companion ($30), Questions and Answers ($25), and The Practice Revolution ($25).

Another book that's not been mentioned yet is "Creative Piano Teaching" by Lyke, Enoch, and Haydon. It doesn't make my Top 5, but it's still good.

And for what it's worth, Denes Agay's "The Art of Teaching Piano" is worth it for the chapter on ornamentation alone.
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#1233627 - 07/18/09 11:50 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
lizcovedale Offline
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Loc: South Carolina
Originally Posted By: Minniemay
Funny I haven't seen it yet. I was a grad student under her many years ago.



It is only a couple years old.

http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-You-Play-...5275&sr=8-1

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#1233644 - 07/19/09 12:39 AM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Kreisler]
AZNpiano Offline
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Loc: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
also recommend Philip Johnston's books "The Practice Revolution" and "The Practiceopedia." They are a Gold Mine of good advice.


I love The Practiceopedia (or however you spell it). It is hilarious. The cartoons are awesome. One of my colleagues at school used that book as the basis of his masters thesis.
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#1233823 - 07/19/09 02:29 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Kreisler]
chasingrainbows Offline
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Loc: NJ
Thanks Kreisler, once again! Great recommendations. I need a book that explains ornamentation. I guess I am hoping to find a book that will be fairly detailed in giving examples of, for lack of a better word, sample lessons for beginners. I happen to own Free the Caged Bird, and should sit down and watch that again for it's emphasis on freedom and relaxation at the piano.

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#1233949 - 07/19/09 07:12 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: chasingrainbows]
Denny Offline
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Registered: 04/23/09
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Loc: Scottsdale AZ
There are many books, as you have seen in the posts. They can be a good starting place and possibly a reference.

After all that is said, I believe I have learned much more practical information by observing various master classes and by attending seminars at my local MTNA chapter meetings and the state and national conventions than I ever learned in any book.

I have also experienced that I have to adjust the concepts learned to fit my personal approach (developed after many years of teaching and continually evolving) and also to each student and his or her learning style and to that students strengths and weaknesses.

Example – some students have a strong ear and others have a strong eye. It is rare to have a student where both are strong. Realizing these varying abilities in each student will help you to have the best pedagogical approach for each one.
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#1233981 - 07/19/09 08:36 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Denny]
Minniemay Offline
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There is a good table of ornamentation for baroque music in most Bach volumes sold by Alfred.

Ornamentation changes from time period to time period, but I assume you were looking for baroque info.
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#1238481 - 07/27/09 08:53 PM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
Barb860 Offline
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Registered: 04/11/09
Posts: 1644
Loc: northern California
Originally Posted By: Minniemay
The Bastien title is really a misnomer, imo.

If you really want a good, solid study of pedagogy, try these two:

A Piano Teacher's Legacy (Chronister/Darling) available through the Frances Clark Center for Keyboard Pedagogy (www.francesclarkcenter.org)

and (from the same organization)

Questions and Answers by Frances Clark.

I also highly recommend that you get a subscription to Clavier Companion. You'll find a link for it at the same website.

I would not recommend "The Well-Tempered Keyboard Teacher". If you have the money, you might also consider Practical Piano Pedagogy by Martha Baker (Jordan).


Thank you so much for the book recommendations. My copy of " A Piano Teacher's Legacy" by Chronister arrived, I ordered it from the www.francesclarkcenter.org site. Wonderful, compassionate, down-to-earth advice and suggestions in this book, I really appreciate this recommendation and consider it a must read.
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#1238668 - 07/28/09 04:26 AM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Barb860]
Minniemay Offline
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It's required reading for the pedagogy class I teach. Glad you are enjoying it.
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#1238753 - 07/28/09 09:34 AM Re: Pedagogy recommendations? [Re: Minniemay]
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Also, how about:

Practical Piano Pedagogy by Martha Baker-Jordan

Since someone mentioned the Practiceopedia, Philip Johnston also wrote The Practice Revolution, which I've found very helpful in terms of generating new practice ideas with my students.


Edited by MsAdrienne (07/28/09 09:44 AM)
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