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#1240196 - 07/30/09 06:49 AM Licentiate
Gerrit Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Hey guys,

Thank you to everyone who gave advice about my FTCL!

My program for my licentiate (LTCL) which I am playing in November is as follows:

Granados - Allegro de Concierto
Beethoven - Sonata "Tempest"
Brahms - Intermezzo Op 118 No 6
Rachmaninoff - Prelude Op 23 No 4

I'd love any comments about the best order to play the pieces in, and also anyones thoughts about the program in general.

Also, any suggestions regarding the tempo for the third movement of the Tempest? I have listened to recordings from Fazil Say (blisteringly fast) to Andras Schiff (very slow) and cant decide which is more appropriate :-)

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#1240203 - 07/30/09 07:16 AM Re: Licentiate [Re: Gerrit]
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Well, it's marked Allegretto, so I would think it should be a gentle, slightly brisk pace, but not too fast.
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#1240204 - 07/30/09 07:28 AM Re: Licentiate [Re: mrenaud]
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I heard a rendition on public radio and it was so fast that all musicality was lost. I believe allegretto means 'a little fast' so a nice pace but not too fast. From one of my music dictionaries: Slower than allegro, but blithe and cheery

Speed/velocity is wonderful in places for which it is suited but when the musical part is lost, then it is NOT good.

#1240215 - 07/30/09 08:11 AM Re: Licentiate [Re: Varcon]
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I think this would be a more useful discussion if one includes metronome values, even if they are approximate. After all, one person's "fast" may be another's "somewhat fast."

Regarding the tempo of the last movement of Op. 31 #2, here's an interesting tidbit: as Tovey's notes on this sonata indicate, the main theme comes from a sketch for a waltz in Eb for piano where the left hand executes an upward leap of two octaves (starting from the low Eb on the first ledger line of the bass clef) between the first and second beats of each measure (with no arpeggio in-between) -- using the third finger on both notes no less! That might give some idea as to what tempo is appropriate.

Of course, there's also the issue of whether one should count three beats per measure, or whether one should just count each measure as a beat (i.e. a hint of compound time).
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#1240343 - 07/30/09 01:04 PM Re: Licentiate [Re: Janus K. Sachs]
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Originally Posted By: Janus K. Sachs
I think this would be a more useful discussion if one includes metronome values, even if they are approximate. After all, one person's "fast" may be another's "somewhat fast."

... and your suggested metronome value is...?

I am intermittently working on this movement, and I like it at about MM=60 to the dotted eighth. Schnabel - the only other edition I have that recommends a specific tempo - marks it at 69 to the dotted quarter.

I feel it more as one beat per measure rather than three.

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#1240348 - 07/30/09 01:15 PM Re: Licentiate [Re: BruceD]
Varcon Offline
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Casella gives a dotted quarter at 84.

#1240388 - 07/30/09 02:12 PM Re: Licentiate [Re: Varcon]
Gerrit Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
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I have been doing it at MM = 60. A bit slower and it starts to drag, and a bit faster and I start to lose detail (a more talented pianist might not ;-)

#1240437 - 07/30/09 03:54 PM Re: Licentiate [Re: Gerrit]
spatial Offline
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I performed this recently at around 73. It's important not to go too fast, but slow is also dangerous. It has to maintain a "nervous" quality.


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