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#1244890 - 08/06/09 04:42 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Triryche]
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I told my own boys that they had to take something. I let them pick what (oops 2 ended up on the drums grrr!), but they knew it was part of their education, just like homework and it was non-negotiable. I made them pick a sport too, just something they knew they had to do. As far as teaching, it's not a lot of fun to teach a kid that doesn't want to be there, but I found that if they're given enough choices they can usually find something they don't hate lol. Oh yeah, they will always remember that kind of stuff you say, won't they 
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#1244960 - 08/06/09 06:58 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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Registered: 02/19/05
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Loc: Toronto, Canada
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If I had kids I would make them take lessons until at least a solid intermediate level, usually around Royal Conservatory of Music Grade 6 minimum. And then in some exam systems students can earn high school credits for completing certain exams. (a couple of my students are really motivated by this option!)
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#1244969 - 08/06/09 07:08 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: musiclady]
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Registered: 06/07/09
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Loc: CA
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Have you had a discussion about WHY she doesn't want to continue? Perhaps she's afraid of switching teachers, or that she isn't good enough, or maybe she's just enjoying more free time. You never know.
You do have something to lose here, imo. You would be going back on your word. But you have much to gain in opening up a conversation with her. You can probably convince her to study again, but because you gave her the choice, I think you have to let her choose again.
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#1244984 - 08/06/09 07:17 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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I let them pick what (oops 2 ended up on the drums grrr!) ha ha ha! - sorry, I shouldn't laugh at your pain 
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#1244992 - 08/06/09 07:24 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Minniemay]
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Registered: 07/28/09
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Loc: Georgia
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I did what Ebony&Ivory did - any instrument they wanted, but once they started they weren't allowed to mention quitting (or fight me about practicing) for three years. After that, it would be their choice whether to continue or not. Both my sons started on piano; my daughter started on violin. (All continued long after 3 years were up.)
But since you did promise to let her quit, I think you have to follow through. But if she were my daughter, I would probably talk long and hard, and try to talk her into a compromise -- Find a new teacher and take for one more year. If she hates it, then she can quit and you won't say anything. I think I'd argue that you want to make sure she isn't quitting because she's afraid of the new teacher.
But I wouldn't force her. She is at an age when girls especially begin to resent all that alone time practicing, just when social life becomes so important. You don't want to set her up for resentment, and she won't progress if she doesn't like it anyway. Trust me, there will be bigger deals ahead that you want to save your ammo for!
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#1245122 - 08/06/09 10:50 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Morodiene]
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Registered: 08/11/06
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Loc: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Thanks for the replies!! I have been talking to her about it for over a month, and the only thing that kept me from making her start back up sooner was the fact that I originally said she had the option. I don't think she is afraid of another teacher, she claims she's bored with it, but yet she wants to keep the violin, which is on a rent to own agreement. She is well aware of my intentions to have her learn to read music proficiently before quitting, so if she wishes to peruse music as an adult, at least she would not be starting from scratch. I also explained how I wish I had lessons as a child. And I try my best to explain to her that the more difficult the lessons become, the greater the reward is. When she was still in lessons and was wanting to quit because they were getting to be challenging, I brought up the subject with her teacher. Her teacher said she did not have an option, her mother made her take lessons, and for a few years she dreaded it, but said she was very grateful for that.
The only thing holding me back is the fact that I originally gave her the option. I guess for now I will try my best to convince her to continue.
Thanks again!!
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#1245127 - 08/06/09 11:07 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Triryche]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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I loathed few things more than taking piano lessons when I was a kid, but my mother made me and all of my siblings do it until we were 13, then we could quit if we wanted to. Now I wish she had forced us to keep doing it for longer! I am so thankful that she kept us at it, even though we didn't like it at the time. Just one person's testimony... 
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#1245198 - 08/07/09 03:05 AM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Susan K.]
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Registered: 11/19/08
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I agree with Minniemay, why does she want to stop lessons. Usually students don't dislike music they dislike the discipline that goes with it. Sometimes changing teachers helps, or instruments, but quiting is never the answer. There are far too many adults out there that ask their parents why didn't you make me continue? I told my three sons, when they were ready to go to college I didn't want them turning to me and asking me why didn't you keep me at it and prepare me so that I had choices. I would rather have them be able to have the choice of going on or trying something else because by that time they would be hopefully mature enough to make a wise decision, and by that I don't mean they had to major in music. The years of discipline and expression are always worth the effort and fight. Preparing one for all kinds of things in life, from how to study schoolwork to job interviews, how to react under pressure and not fall apart, having an outlet to one's emotions so that one doesn't feel like there is no where to turn. By the way Ebony one of my sons also took up the drums, AGGGhh not to mention the guitar and flute while continuing the piano. He actually gave me a new appreciation of some intricate drumming techniques. But then reading music and rhythms was a plus.
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#1245220 - 08/07/09 06:19 AM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Roxy]
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#1245369 - 08/07/09 01:24 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Susan K.]
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If you told her she could quit, then you have to let her quit. Apparently, she takes you at your word, which suggests that you've been diligent about keeping your word with her, and that this means something to you. If you don't keep your word this time, then she will no longer take you at your word, and this apparently would bother you a lot.
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#1245377 - 08/07/09 01:34 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Gyro]
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Registered: 04/24/05
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There is the further implication that you want a family situation where everyone can be taken at their word. Apparently, you've been diligent about this, and everyone can be taken at their word, but if you start to not keep your word, then everything unravels.
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#1245439 - 08/07/09 03:42 PM
Re: slightly OT – Require Lessons??
[Re: Gyro]
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Registered: 09/24/08
Posts: 386
Loc: Michigan
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If I have kids, they would be required to take lessons until they come of age (18 in my book). I also loathed practising piano at the time, but wish fervently I kept at it after 12. I'm now 3 years returned - all that wasted time...
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