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#1248405 - 08/13/09 11:06 AM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
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Hi all! This is most interesting. People reading this might be interested to comment on my problem with the Kawai RX6 Please take a look at my post and comments would be appreciated.
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...hord%20not.html
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#1248539 - 08/13/09 02:06 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: eightyeight_keys]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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This release is available in your locale now. I think back on the first page Bruce Browning is the distributor for you there....
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#1248548 - 08/13/09 02:21 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
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Deleted.


Edited by BB Player (08/13/09 04:51 PM)
Edit Reason: Defamatory comments deleted

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#1248560 - 08/13/09 02:55 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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Do you have any actual hard evidence of these claims you are promoting? Because if you do not, you are inviting a lawsuit for damages with statements such as these. There are a LOT of un-proven claims recorded here.

We have not heard anything similar here (North America) to your claims. If you have a beef with a technician why not clear it up between yourselves? Why come in here and directly slander the guy without supplying any evidence at all?

I am sure you are aware that André is not a member here, so why post stuff like this when the other party has no chance at rebuttal?
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#1248566 - 08/13/09 03:13 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
daniokeeper Offline
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"I am sure you are aware that André is not a member here, so why post stuff like this when the other party has no chance at rebuttal?"

Question asked; Question answered.

I complained to the mods about this. Hopefully, they'll be able to tend to this before it becomes part of a searchable Google (or other) archive .

It would be outrageous if this post became permanently attached to his name when someone does a search.

Btw, we tuners stick our necks out around here so we're held accountable...
We sign our posts with our names.

Any one of us could fall victim to this sort of nonsense. Once the mud is thrown, it's almost impossible to get it completely cleaned off.


Edited by daniokeeper (08/13/09 03:21 PM)
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#1248570 - 08/13/09 03:25 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: daniokeeper]
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My post is simply intended to be fair warning and would not be considered new or news within the Netherlands piano community whatsoever. That is the great thing about a global forum -- there are no rocks left to hide under.

Are we going to let people use the forum to advertize for free people's goods and services but then censor and delete all balanced information just like in the past case of Piano Superstore where legitimate complaints were suppressed and where so many of those depending on Pianoworld input were defrauded of tens of thousands of dollars?

My recommendation? Do business with whomever you want, but when there are doubts, make sure you don't pay before you have the goods in house. Consider my post a concerned public service.

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#1248575 - 08/13/09 03:31 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: daniokeeper]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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Absolutely correct Joe; once again this is some imaginary identity that does not have the actual courage to post under his or her own name. So the idea is to promote this kind of trash from the bushes where no-one can see them……

I am of the opinion that this person leads a vociferous lifestyle and does not envision a problem with imposing their view of the world on others.

You are right Joe and I know this kind of thing has happened previously, to other technicians.
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#1248577 - 08/13/09 03:32 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
daniokeeper Offline
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I just did a quick search at Google on "André Oorebeek reputation". The first listing is theJourney's post. It hasn't been cached yet.


Edited by daniokeeper (08/13/09 03:33 PM)
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#1248579 - 08/13/09 03:35 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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I suggest you read your own postings whoever you think you are. Your posting is plain and simple garden variety slander and defamation.

A LOT OF ACCUSATIONS WITH NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

So produce some evidence in a big hurry……




Edited by BB Player (08/13/09 04:53 PM)
Edit Reason: Deleted quoted post
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#1248585 - 08/13/09 03:43 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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Your posting was meant to be a slander and defamation for someone who is unable to answer. How brave of you there….

What other members use this forum for is not your damn business. It is up to the owner what use is decided.

Why would any of us give a tinker’s damn about your recommendation? Do you actually think you carry some weight around this place? Man you are really up on yourself huh??

Your postings are a public disservice, once again you have it wrong.



Edited by BB Player (08/13/09 04:53 PM)
Edit Reason: Deleted quoted post
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#1248603 - 08/13/09 04:20 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
daniokeeper Offline
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Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 1056
Loc: PA
Just a thought,,,

It might be best for Andre O. to speak to a lawyer BEFORE replying in any way on this forum or having any contact with the poster, so as not to jeopardize any case he may have.

The thing about the net is that it is global, falling under various jurisdictions. Laws will vary in different venues.
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#1248605 - 08/13/09 04:28 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
theJourney Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 3946
Loc: Banned
Some people are hot heads, others constantly make vague threats about lawsuit and yet others you simply can't take at their word...
I am a man of my word. Are you?

Originally Posted By: Silverwood Pianos

Will this be my last post?

The final one.

I came in peace and I am going in peace. I harbor no ill feeling towards anyone, I am glad to have spoken, debated, laughed, screamed, shouted and cried. I have enjoyed meeting you all immensely.

I only ever intended to provoke thought. Helping folks see pianos in a different way, well that is a by-product.


That was in 2008. But here you are still.

You are worried about reputations, yet your aggressive, emotional and anti-consumer posting history which has been preserved for prosperity would seem to be an ideal place for Vancouver area clients to research reasons why not to do business with you. I would worry more about your own posts than a comment from the local Dutch market about a well known, but in later years problematic, Dutch service providor.

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#1248617 - 08/13/09 04:41 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
daniokeeper Offline
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Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 1056
Loc: PA
I see. So now Dan Silverwood is anti-consumer?

Have you checked this very recent post of his?

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1246747/Squeaky%20Damper!.html#Post1246747

I've seen Dan take the side of the CLIENTS on this forum (They're not CONSUMERS... They're not locusts) many times over other tuners and vendors.

Go ahead... Make me the bad guy next.



Edited by daniokeeper (08/13/09 04:47 PM)
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#1248625 - 08/13/09 04:53 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: daniokeeper]
theJourney Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 3946
Loc: Banned
Peace, daniokeeper. I don't know you, but I recognize the emotions.

If you and Silverwood Pianos have more intimate, relevant experience with figures in the Dutch piano market, please feel free to share your knowledge with the forum. Claiming that what I say is false without any knowledge is just plain irresponsible.

I have not criticized the DVD that Silverwood Pianos is promoting, nor have I criticized the capabilities of Mr. Oorebeek. On the contrary. In fact, I am relieved to see he seems to now have found a way to again generate income. The Netherlands is a tiny country and reputations are fragile; when things go wrong it can be very hard to right them again. I am glad he might have found a way to move on.

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#1248627 - 08/13/09 04:59 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: theJourney]
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Loc: Not in Texas
All: I have deleted the original post that several members have reported and edited those posts which quoted it. I would caution everyone who posts here that personally attacking someone else, regardless of whether they are forum members or not, will not be tolerated. You may feel it is "justified" and that you are doing a public service - you are not. You are defaming someone else who may or may not have the means to defend themselves. If you have evidence that someone is defrauding clients by all means report it to the local authorities, broadcasting it here is not acceptable.
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#1248751 - 08/13/09 08:55 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: BB Player]
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Thank you Greg, from all of us here.

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#1248813 - 08/13/09 10:25 PM Re: André Oorebeek voicing book/DVD release [Re: RPD]
daniokeeper Offline
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Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: RPD
Thank you Greg, from all of us here.

RPD


I'm sorry, Greg. I found this upsetting and I forgot my manners.

Thank you! smile
-Joe


Edited by daniokeeper (08/13/09 10:29 PM)
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