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#1253746 - 08/21/09 10:00 PM
Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
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I had the wonderful opportunity to read the new Piano Buyer today. I think that it is well done.I do however feel the Feurich should have been placed in the top group. Before any of you start thinking that i am biased,(since i own one)please let me explain. Last year Larry said basically his contacts and himself were not familiar enough with the Feurich but he felt it would be in the Tier one group. This year Larry put the Feurich in group two. He did say that maybe some pianos in group two may not have gained enough brand prestige to be in group one. I assume he would say Feurich would fall into this category, as they are a very low volume company. Most dealers,techs and pianist have never played a Feurich,(less than 20 grands are made per year).This being said i don't think Feurich got a fair assessment. When i bought my Feurich last year i was not familiar with this brand either. I played beautiful Bosies,Steingraebers and Bluthners.They all deserve their top placements. However when i played the Feurich it was the won that won my heart for it's base,dynamic range,touch etc. I studied very carefully and compared it's wormanship and quality of parts to the others i have mentioned. (About three months of studying and comparing)My friends let me tell you the Feurich's craftsmanship and quality of parts will and does compete with any of the other group one brands.I challenge anyone who gets a chance to play and study the time and workmanship that goes into every Feurich,to say it does not belong in group one. Again i feel if Larry and his contacts knew more about the Feurich(Larry himself has admitted that he did not know enough about the Feurichs to make a fair assessment) it would have been placed in group one.If not enough is known about a brand then i feel Larry should have stated so instead of placing it. Most all brands in group two everyone has heard of and played except for the Feurich. I also agree with Larry that the pianos put in group two have a wide range of quality. I promise i am not a piano snob,but i do feel there should have been sub groups. Don't get me wrong, the pianos listed in group two are all fine pianos. If my piano truly belonged in group two, i would consider myself blessed to have a piano that fell within the ranks of these fine pianos.Seilers and the others are beautiful and wonderful pianos.To have a piano ranked as high quality and performance grade is good enough for me. All i want is for the Feurich to be heard and played before anyone says that it does not belong in group one with the highest quality pianos.They will surely learn what i already know. I learned the time and love that Julius Feurich puts into every one of his pianos.He is the fifth generation of one of the oldest German manufactures still around. I feel he has been done an injustice.(Probably not on purpose but because of lack of knowledge and the fact that Feurich's are few and far between when compared to other brands). For many generations Feurich has been considered one of the highest quality pianos made. I would like to add that the new Piano Buyer is a wealth of knowledge and i have always valued Larry Fine's opinions. I only hope that in the upcoming year Larry and his contacts will make it a priority to play and learn more about the Feurichs and then give his assessment.A fair assessment cannot be made without the opinions of many contacts who have actually played and studied the workmanship and quality of a Feurich. If then Larry and his contacts felt it belonged in group two then i would respect their opinion but not necessarily agree with it.(as this is a very subjective matter). Thanks Larry for the book and i do plan to order a copy of it.
Respectfully, Terry Cunningham
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#1253749 - 08/21/09 10:04 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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Feurich pianos are beautiful but hard to find. Their factory is fairly close to my home town in Germany but I never heard back when I recently wrote them planning a visit. Guess will have to keep on selling Hailuns... Norbert 
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#1253762 - 08/21/09 10:28 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Norbert]
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Norbert,Thank you for being a long time advocate for Feurichs. I wish you would contact Julius again. I know that he would love to give you a personal tour. Tell him you know Terry Cunningham via Piano World. He is a first class act. When i bought my Feurich he contacted me personally to see how i liked it. Do you know he still E-mails me once in a while to see how it is settling in. This is what i call quality customer service. Maybe it's just one of the many perks one receives when ordering from a high quality low volume manufacturer. Anyway it sure makes me feel special as well as the Feurich does when i play it. I am very surprised he did not respond to you. Please try again.Please feel free to pm me with your contact information and i will be glad to pass it along.
Terry Cunningham
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#1253776 - 08/21/09 11:06 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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I had the wonderful opportunity to read the new Piano Buyer today. I think that it is well done.I do however feel the Feurich should have been placed in the top group. Before any of you start thinking that i am biased,(since i own one)please let me explain. Last year Larry said basically his contacts and himself were not familiar enough with the Feurich but he felt it would be in the Tier one group. This year Larry put the Feurich in group two. He did say that maybe some pianos in group two may not have gained enough brand prestige to be in group one. I assume he would say Feurich would fall into this category, as they are a very low volume company. Most dealers,techs and pianist have never played a Feurich,(less than 20 grands are made per year).This being said i don't think Feurich got a fair assessment. When i bought my Feurich last year i was not familiar with this brand either. I played beautiful Bosies,Steingraebers and Bluthners.They all deserve their top placements. However when i played the Feurich it was the won that won my heart for it's base,dynamic range,touch etc. I studied very carefully and compared it's wormanship and quality of parts to the others i have mentioned. (About three months of studying and comparing)My friends let me tell you the Feurich's craftsmanship and quality of parts will and does compete with any of the other group one brands.I challenge anyone who gets a chance to play and study the time and workmanship that goes into every Feurich,to say it does not belong in group one. Again i feel if Larry and his contacts knew more about the Feurich(Larry himself has admitted that he did not know enough about the Feurichs to make a fair assessment) it would have been placed in group one.If not enough is known about a brand then i feel Larry should have stated so instead of placing it. Most all brands in group two everyone has heard of and played except for the Feurich. I also agree with Larry that the pianos put in group two have a wide range of quality. I promise i am not a piano snob,but i do feel there should have been sub groups. Don't get me wrong, the pianos listed in group two are all fine pianos. If my piano truly belonged in group two, i would consider myself blessed to have a piano that fell within the ranks of these fine pianos.Seilers and the others are beautiful and wonderful pianos.To have a piano ranked as high quality and performance grade is good enough for me. All i want is for the Feurich to be heard and played before anyone says that it does not belong in group one with the highest quality pianos.They will surely learn what i already know. I learned the time and love that Julius Feurich puts into every one of his pianos.He is the fifth generation of one of the oldest German manufactures still around. I feel he has been done an injustice.(Probably not on purpose but because of lack of knowledge and the fact that Feurich's are few and far between when compared to other brands). For many generations Feurich has been considered one of the highest quality pianos made. I would like to add that the new Piano Buyer is a wealth of knowledge and i have always valued Larry Fine's opinions. I only hope that in the upcoming year Larry and his contacts will make it a priority to play and learn more about the Feurichs and then give his assessment.A fair assessment cannot be made without the opinions of many contacts who have actually played and studied the workmanship and quality of a Feurich. If then Larry and his contacts felt it belonged in group two then i would respect their opinion but not necessarily agree with it.(as this is a very subjective matter). Thanks Larry for the book and i do plan to order a copy of it.
Respectfully, Terry Cunningham Hey Terry, I've played a Feurich before and I totally agree with you about these pianos being top notch. If it was to be placed in group one however I think it would also be necessary to place Grotrian, Sauter, August Forester in the same group. And then there's NY Steinway, M&H and Shigeru....... In the end though, who cares. You've got one of THE finest pianos in the world AND you love it to no end! And I'm sure there are Bosendorfer, Fazioli etc owners out there who don't have the deep and personal connection to their instrument that you do. You've got something that matters way more than a than a ranking list. I do however also get that you care about Feurich as a company and I'm sure things like tier ratings affect business sales, and for that reason it would be nice to see it fairly placed in Fine's list. cheers, Adrean
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#1253784 - 08/21/09 11:21 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: AJF]
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I haven't read Fine's most recent rankings but in his post on the forums yesterday he stressed that the rankings are supposed to reflect perception of the brands in the industry overall as performing instruments. It sounded like he was trying to downplay the rankings as a measure of quality alone perhaps (?).
If this is the case, I hope he makes it very clear in the actual list that it's not entirely about quality.
It might be that Feurich didn't get the highest tier solely because, as such a small company, it doesn't have as high a profile or marketing power. Maybe it's not about the instrument as such.
The finest piano I've played in recent memory was a Sauter. I gather from what AJF says that Sauter is not in the top tier either. Go figure.
It's a bit like college rankings. The rankings have _some_ meaning, and that's _all_. It would be terrible for a person who will actually get the best education at the #15 school to decide to go to the #2 school just based on the ranking. As it turns out the ranking may be based on the endowment size of the school, or on alumni giving or some other factor that by no means translates directly into relevant differences between those two schools.
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#1253891 - 08/22/09 08:04 AM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: charleslang]
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Adrean,Thanks for your comments. You have such a wonderful way of putting things into perspective.And yes you are right, i do care about Feurich as a company. They deserve more credit.
Charles,You have made some very good points as well. I do not think he made it clear that it's not just about quality.I could be wrong.Maybe he did not intend to.I would hope that Larry's rankings are not based on size,marketing power or who advertises the most in his publication. I wish to think not. I have always had great respect for Mr.Fine and if this were the case i would be a bit disappointed. Again,i think Larry got it wrong here because he is or was not familiar enough with the Feurich to be able to give it it's just rating.As Norbert said there aren't many Feurichs out there. They are rare.Attention to detail is definitely not spared when it comes to these beautiful instruments.That being said i again say that the publication is very useful and i agree with most everything that is written in it.But one cannot give an assessment about something they have rarely seen or played.
Respectfully, Terry
Edited by Terry5758 (08/22/09 08:05 AM)
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#1254124 - 08/22/09 04:33 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: carey]
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Dear Terry, Although I have a copy of Larry Fine's "The Piano Book" I have not seen the most recent supplement with his latest rankings of pianos. Like you, I find Mr Fine's comments generally fair and balanced and his book is most informative and helpful.
Ranking piano manufacturers is fraught with difficulties, especially in the higher eschelons of the classification. Each piano maker has a range of models and some models may be less successful than others. I have heard some say for example that they dislike the Steinway A, but they find the Steinway B a wonderful piano. Is Fazioli better than Steinway or is Bosendorfer the best of them all? Each of the "top tier" makes will have its advocates and afficionados and of course its detractors. This ranking is heavily based on subjective criteria and is therefore not infallible.
I would not take to heart the omission of Feurich from the top listing. With a production of only 20 or so per year, each of these pianos is a rare jewel that has been lovingly crafted by piano artisans and that is why your piano can touch your musical soul.
Ultimately, we can ask no more from any piano.
Warm regards, Robert.
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#1254126 - 08/22/09 04:42 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: carey]
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In North America we should not forget that the Europeans have their own take on things including life-style and leisure, art and culture. It's not *more* or *less* - but different. Outside manufacturers who have logical business interests in the success for their exported goods to America, few consumers over there would be at a loss when it comes to any product, including pianos. [Interesting how many of GI's seemed to agree back then in the 60's and 70's when later taking home their own Mercedeses and BMW's...  ] "My grandmother had an old such and such and was always swearing by it", is much more commonly heard when it comes to pianos there than recitations from dear Larry's book. rest assured you won't find many Germans - or Europeans today - believing anybody is building better quality in their products this, including of course their very own pianos. It's not *arrogance* as is often assumed by outsiders - but an age old reliance of time honoured tradition of top quality. No messing around - no *guessing* necessary! After all, we all know each other over there for a very long time.... Norbert 
Edited by Norbert (08/22/09 04:54 PM)
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#1254154 - 08/22/09 05:17 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Norbert]
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Larry Fine actually does make it clear that being in Group 2 as opposed to Group 1 could be purely a matter of not having 'yet earned as much prestige':
"The pianos in Group 2 are also fabulous, but are in second place here either because their workmanship is not quite as refined as the first group, or because their musical designs are considered slightly less desirable, or perhaps because their names have not yet earned as much prestige value as those in Group 1." (p. 44)
I take this to mean that it is possible for a Group 2 piano to be of the exact same quality as a Group 1 piano.
This makes sense if you look at the list of Group 1 pianos. They are only the 'Giants', as far as reputation, pure and simple: Fazioli, Steingraeber, Bösendorfer, C. Bechstein, Blüthner and Hamburg Steinway.
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#1254158 - 08/22/09 05:22 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: charleslang]
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Who really cares how top German instruments are rated by Larry Fine outside of a few obsessive, insecure piano enthusiasts in the states?
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#1254168 - 08/22/09 05:46 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: theJourney]
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Who really cares how top German instruments are rated by Larry Fine outside of a few obsessive, insecure piano enthusiasts in the states? Aww, now that's not very nice. Judging by the manufacturers who chose to advertise in Larry's latest book . . . at the very least Bösendorfer, Fazioli, Steingraeber and Bechstein seem to care.
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#1254169 - 08/22/09 05:49 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
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that's a good one, theJourney! that's too funny haha. i know i'm guilty of that too. thanks for putting things in perspective.
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#1254194 - 08/22/09 06:47 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: charleslang]
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Thing is though, outside of this small community I would wager that Steingraeber shares the same lack of name recognition as Feurich, Grotrian, and Sauter does. So it must be more than just name recognition and prestige that puts Steingraeber in the ultra-elite group one.
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#1254198 - 08/22/09 06:52 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: AJF]
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Thing is though, outside of this small community I would wager that Steingraeber shares the same lack of name recognition as Feurich, Grotrian, and Sauter does. So it must be more than just name recognition and prestige that puts Steingraeber in the ultra-elite group one. Fine's words are "names have not earned as much prestige", not "name recognition". Also, even though non PW members certainly aren't familiar with Steingraeber or Feurich, my impression is that among aficinados/techs Steingraeber has been more frequently played than Feurich (perhaps because of Feurich's extremely limited production).
Edited by pianoloverus (08/22/09 07:13 PM)
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#1254205 - 08/22/09 07:00 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: carey]
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Last year, when Fine said Feurich should probably be ranked in Group 1, his Group 1 included eleven brands divided as 1A, 1B and 1C. And he was criticized for "demoting" Mason and Hamlin to Group 2A.
This year his new Group 1 includes only the six brands listed in last year's 1A category - and the other five brands (formerly 1B and 1C) are now part of the new Group 2 - which includes both Mason and Hamlin and Feurich as well.
The new Group 2 pianos definitely are high-end instruments - but very few folks would argue that they are in the same league as the six brands in Group 1 - formerly Group 1A. I think Mr. Fine's new ranking system - with the basic alphabetical listings in each group - is brilliant. I think the first post in this thread and the above post show what happens so often with the Fine rankings. It is only human nature for people to take things personally, even if they claim not to, in terms of the rankings. When was the last time someone said that even though they owned Piano X, they thought their piano X's new lower ranking was justified or possibly justified? (Well, actually I said that  when Mason was "moved" to Group IIA, but I also admit I wish it hadn't been placed there. And I can't think of anyone else who said something like this) The original poster owns a Feurich and upset that it is not in group I. The above poster who owns a Mason(as I do) is pleased because Mason is now in the same class as last year's Groups IB and IC.
Edited by pianoloverus (08/22/09 07:07 PM)
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#1254242 - 08/22/09 08:29 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: pianoloverus]
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Thing is though, outside of this small community I would wager that Steingraeber shares the same lack of name recognition as Feurich, Grotrian, and Sauter does. So it must be more than just name recognition and prestige that puts Steingraeber in the ultra-elite group one. This is a very interesting point. In fact wherever these pianos are known on the market, few doubt about their absolute first class status. As for myself, first time I ran into Pfeiffer pianos I couldn't belive my eyes...ahem ....*ears* Forever in memory are certain unforgettable pianos by Feurich, Ibach, Thuermer, Start & Sons and Pianova. The point is, when a company is so small making only a handful of units, should they be *rated* at all - especially on an international basis? How do you rate "Kulmbacher Abteibrau" when they are selling this unbelievable brew only within a a 30 mile radius? Companies making only a few units don't need somebody's ratings from 10,000 miles away - nor do consumers who will be hardpressed to ever come across any one of them. In fact piano shoppers could be 'misled' by believing they could be looking at some *second rate pianos* simply because somebody in a backalley of the Black Forest is tooling a few top notch- kick-ass instruments for his own neigbours and family friends.... Not to be meant literally - Peiffer is actually doing very well in France - but am trying to make a point. By the way for the Germans these day, the French are friends and neighbours too..... Norbert 
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#1254258 - 08/22/09 08:47 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Norbert]
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FWIW I just wrote Larry Fine because Hardman and Peck is not on his 'good vintage piano brands' list, and he replied to me immediately. Terry, maybe you could just email him (maybe you already have) and he'll tell you why Feurich is where it is on his ranking.
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#1254273 - 08/22/09 09:02 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: charleslang]
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FWIW I just wrote Larry Fine because Hardman and Peck is not on his 'good vintage piano brands' list, and he replied to me immediately. Terry, maybe you could just email him (maybe you already have) and he'll tell you why Feurich is where it is on his ranking. Another example of what I mentioned in my previous post.
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#1254306 - 08/22/09 10:33 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: pianoloverus]
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Thanks to all of you for your comments and insights.You all have valid points. I do agree with Norbert when he said,when a company only makes a handful of instruments,why rate them at all? This is what i am trying to express. If Larry Fine and most of his contacts have neither heard or played a Feurich, how can they be rated. Again,ratings or no ratings,I have played Steingraebers,Bosies,Bluthners,etc.I do own one of these rare jewels as Norbert would say(Feurich)and can say without a doubt,they are made every bit as good as any piano in group one. If anyone responding to this thread has not played or heard of a Feurich,you cannot make a fair assessment either. This is meant in all due respect to anyone that has responded to this thread. It's not that i am an obsessive,insecure piano enthusiast,it's that this top notch German Manufacturer that works so hard on very few pianos a year deserves his just rewards.Again he has been rated by many people from the Piano Buyer that have never heard one. This makes absolutely no sense. I have no doubt that i have one of the finest pianos in the world.What i am concerned about is the consumer might over look a Feurich simply because they think it is inferior to the Other group 1 pianos listed. This is not fair to Julius Feurich.Simply put,don't rate this piano without proper knowledge of the instrument.It is an incredible instrument!!!!!
Charles,can you give me Larry Fine's E-Mail address? This is a great suggestion on your behalf.
Terry
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#1254309 - 08/22/09 10:46 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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You may e-mail Larry at larry@pianobuyer.com . Please read his letter on his OP announcing the release of the online version first.
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#1254310 - 08/22/09 10:48 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Steve Cohen]
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Thanks Steve! I appreciate it.
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#1254311 - 08/22/09 10:50 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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He has posted a great letter to the Pianoworld community on his site: http://www.pianobuyer.com/pianoworld.htmlHere is the relevant section with his email address: "I very much appreciate the support so many of you have given me in the past, and I hope this new work will merit your continued support. Please give me your honest and constructive feedback at larry@pianobook.com. Due to the large number of expected responses, I can’t promise a personal reply to each, but each will be read and seriously considered."
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#1254330 - 08/22/09 11:45 PM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: charleslang]
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Thanks for the info. Charles. It will be of great help.
Terry
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#1254337 - 08/23/09 12:00 AM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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What i am concerned about is the consumer might over look a Feurich simply because they think it is inferior to the Other group 1 pianos listed. This is not fair to Julius Feurich.Simply put,don't rate this piano without proper knowledge of the instrument.It is an incredible instrument!!!!! Terry, Fine states production numbers of fifty to sixty pianos a year for Feurich. Now, of that number, some stay in Europe. Some of the exported ones go to Fandrich in Washington to be re-fitted with Fandrich actions. That doesn't leave a whole lot of pianos for consumers to overlook. Don't you think the real reason Feurich is unknown in this country is that it has such a tiny footprint? I mean, other than Brian's shop and maybe Gary at Encore, is there anywhere you can buy one? Is there a dealer network? I'm surprised Feurich can pay even a small skilled labor crew on German wages with the income from 50 to 60 pianos at wholesale. There's one other thing you might consider. You know how in many companies if you have a break in service and come back later, you've lost your seniority and probably some benefits as well. You and I both know that Feurich had a break in service somewhat different from the usual WW2 Soviet occupation stories. The fact that they contracted their piano production to Schimmel among others and got involved in that China deal may be cause for caution in elevating it the level that you would like. Also, from the photos of your piano that you posted here a while back, I'm not sure that the scale design is the same as the older Feurich pianos. In a certain sense, you might think of it as a new company with new models. I think in general Mr. Fine is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Although your complaint is gentle and polite, it certainly is persistent  . It's probable that if he had left Feurich out of the ratings, someone else might have questioned that. One consolation is that Mr. Fine is on record in Piano Buyer saying that Feurich pianos are built completely of German parts. That's no mean feat these days, and knowing how you feel about German craftsmanship, you should derive some satisfaction from that.
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#1254410 - 08/23/09 05:28 AM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: turandot]
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The fact that they contracted their piano production to Schimmel among others and got involved in that China deal may be cause for caution in elevating it the level that you would like. What had Feurich to do with Schimmel? And how is Feurich involved in that China deal? Don´t they produce 100% in Gunzenhausen? Their website states Made In Germany, but it also says something about a forward-looking joint venture. Interestingly the English version of their website is different to to German version. The English version accentuates the family owned history and the stability of the monetary worth of Feurich instruments and the use of best materials available. But it says nothing about a joint venture. Gregor
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#1254441 - 08/23/09 08:19 AM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
[Re: Terry5758]
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Registered: 05/29/01
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Again,ratings or no ratings,I have played Steingraebers,Bosies,Bluthners,etc.I do own one of these rare jewels as Norbert would say(Feurich)and can say without a doubt,they are made every bit as good as any piano in group one. If anyone responding to this thread has not played or heard of a Feurich,you cannot make a fair assessment either.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but this is just your opinion. How would a non tech be able to ascertain this?
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#1254442 - 08/23/09 08:19 AM
Re: Feurich review in Larry Fine's Piano buyer
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Registered: 08/13/09
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Loc: Vero Beach,Florida
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The venture i Think Turandot is talking about never materialized.Julius decided not to go ahead with it. It was a line of pianos made to be sold only in the Chinese market. They were never going to be sold here in the states ,Europe or anywhere else outside of China.Turandot, i don't understand why that so called China deal that never happened would in any way effect the ratings or the reputation that Feurich has earned in Germany for so many years. I can assure you that the sole production of Feurichs is done in Gunzenhausen Germany.The company is still owned and operated by Julius Feurich of the 5th generation.It is 100% family owned. BTW Julius still makes and uses the same designs as his father and grandfathers did.Did i mention that Feurich has always been one of the leaders in innovation over the years? Again anyone in doubt of the Feurich quality and sound,play and examine one. The proof is in the pudding.They are fabulous and 100% GERMAN MADE,PARTS AND ALL. Not all of the top piano makers can make this claim. Let me say some of them may make this claim but those in the know realize where those secret boxes of parts are being shipped from. If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,it must be a duck.Cheaper parts are used when a manufacture puts price before quality.Julius Feurich has never sacrificed quality because of price.I bought my piano because it was made out of love for the instrument.I am sure economically it is hard to only produce so few pianos.From talking with Julius,(As i said he e-mails me once in a while to see how my piano is doing)it's not all about the money.He has a true passion for what he does. I feel he loves to take his time and build a piano that makes him and would have made the Feurich's that came before him very happy.
Turandot,have you ever played a Feurich? I suggest you don't because you may be tempted and forced to make a much higher and serious upgrade.Make sure and bring lots of money because QUALITY IS NOT CHEAP,IT'S PRICELESS.Then you too would become a Feurich fanatic as i and others who own them are.And yes my complaint is persistent but respect is meant where due.
Terry Cunningham
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