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#1266392 - 09/11/09 10:41 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: 4evr88]
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I must admit to being a bit daunted by it all as my knowledge of technology is not great. I just bought a new PC and it took me a whole day to set it up! Looking at what you have done I really wouldn't know where to begin. I guess I better start learning pretty quick.
Just reading this interesting thread and saw your comment and can't help myself, so: I would urge you to pack up your PC, and enroll in some serious training as I did. I began using a PC in secondary school and studied advance and applied math for 6 years. Later, enrolled in a university and got both a degree in computer science and a master degree in engineering. Do you know if you are not properly trained to used a computer what sort of damage you could have not to mention all the virus, security problems, Trojans, worms, causing havoc to you and others by becoming victims and zombies of hackers allowing your systmem to be used in coordinated attacks to individuals, businesses, and government agencies? No, you need proper training, at least 10 to 15 years before you should consider using a computer. You also need to spend several years to study and pass exams on systems and networking certifications before you connect your computer to the Internet. For now, if you must, pick up some children's games and play those only. You are not ready for real software especially if you are not capable of properly optimizing and configuring each software module for correct hardware interface and integration. Stay away from the Internet, that's too dangerous for beginners with no skills in computing. If you don't get some computer training right away, you are bound to become seriously injury from repetitive motion injuries as well! Hilarious.
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#1266396 - 09/11/09 10:51 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: Chris H.]
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Registered: 02/19/07
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I must admit to being a bit daunted by it all as my knowledge of technology is not great. I just bought a new PC and it took me a whole day to set it up! Looking at what you have done I really wouldn't know where to begin. I guess I better start learning pretty quick.
Just reading this interesting thread and saw your comment and can't help myself, so: I would urge you to pack up your PC, and enroll in some serious training as I did. I began using a PC in secondary school and studied advance and applied math for 6 years. Later, enrolled in a university and got both a degree in computer science and a master degree in engineering. Do you know if you are not properly trained to used a computer what sort of damage you could have not to mention all the virus, security problems, Trojans, worms, causing havoc to you and others by becoming victims and zombies of hackers allowing your systmem to be used in coordinated attacks to individuals, businesses, and government agencies? No, you need proper training, at least 10 to 15 years before you should consider using a computer. You also need to spend several years to study and pass exams on systems and networking certifications before you connect your computer to the Internet. For now, if you must, pick up some children's games and play those only. You are not ready for real software especially if you are not capable of properly optimizing and configuring each software module for correct hardware interface and integration. Stay away from the Internet, that's too dangerous for beginners with no skills in computing. If you don't get some computer training right away, you are bound to become seriously injury from repetitive motion injuries as well! . My reaction too. It was meant as a joke.... wasn't it? ...yes, of course it was! 
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#1266409 - 09/11/09 11:31 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
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Hugh mentioned Chris Anderson, and I'll definitely second the nominantion - he has some very interesting ideas. Another is Cory Doctorow's "Content", a book on the future of copyright and digital media. He's giving his book away for free here: http://craphound.com/content/download/
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#1266410 - 09/11/09 11:31 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: cruiser]
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Do you think so Cruiser?
I thought it was sarcasm.
Never mind, I will choose to ignore this expert advice and carry on computing anyway. If I can find a 10 minute video tutorial on 'optimizing and configuring software modules for correct hardware interface and integration' I'm sure I can pick it up in no time.
Edited by Chris H. (09/11/09 11:32 AM)
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#1266498 - 09/11/09 02:40 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: 4evr88]
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If you don't get some computer training right away, you are bound to become seriously injury from repetitive motion injuries as well!
Try sharing your sarcasm with an RSI sufferer.
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#1266576 - 09/11/09 04:55 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: cruiser]
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Registered: 06/27/09
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My reaction too. It was meant as a joke.... wasn't it? ...yes, of course it was! Yes, of course.... The other day, I was at the piano store and the owner asked me, "do you know anything about computers?" "ever since I change this credit card processing software, my computer won't work right, and occasionally, my Internet connection disappears..." The thought that came to my mind as a computer/network engineer was, "if you don't know what you're doing, man, then you shouldn't bother." However, what I found myself saying to the owner was, "yeah, they certainly don't make these things easy to use do they?"
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#1266590 - 09/11/09 05:19 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
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Registered: 06/27/09
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If you don't get some computer training right away, you are bound to become seriously injury from repetitive motion injuries as well!
Try sharing your sarcasm with an RSI sufferer. Actually this one item you picked up is not meant to be sarcasm, certainly less so than the previous parts. I work daily with those who suffer repeated motion injuries from improper computer use. They have improper posture and ergonomics. The raise of laptop use has increased people's injuries through the roof. Some of the people I come into contact with are sometimes nearly crippled by incorrect posture and ergonomics during computer use. It's a severe problem as many must use the computer 8+ hours a day. Ironically, both businesses and consumers do not include the cost of proper ergonomics in the budget of buying computers. I personally have used a computer 12+ hours a day for the last 30 years, and I must credit my childhood piano teacher for teaching me proper posture at the keyboard. I was also the fastest typist in my class also a credit to my childhood piano teacher for all the Hanon and Czerny. We should make 4 or 5 years piano lessons a prerequisite for computer use.
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#1267052 - 09/12/09 12:41 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: 4evr88]
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Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 151
Loc: SoCal
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Personally, I think teachers who object most strongly to this learning style through videos, etc. are simply a bit frightened that they are indeed "dispensable." I don't think a qualified and engaging teacher will ever be completely replaced by YouTube tutorials as the private lesson experience with a good teacher/student match is hard to beat. That being said I certainly believe that there is room for both within the realm of music education.
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#1267059 - 09/12/09 12:57 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: Jennifer Eklund]
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I don't think a qualified and engaging teacher will ever be completely replaced by YouTube tutorials as the private lesson experience with a good teacher/student match is hard to beat. Not completely replaced eh? Well that's reassuring. er.., not. My guess is it'll encourage an even bigger bunch of shysters.
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#1267067 - 09/12/09 01:07 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: keyboardklutz]
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Registered: 07/16/09
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Well in a free market people can decide for themselves--real live person or computer screen. If you're good at what you do (pedagogically) and people enjoy their lessons they're not going to ditch you so they can sit at home and watch YouTube tutorials. I don't understand what the big fuss is all about -- we should be happy that there has been an upsurge in piano interest over the last few years -- especially among teenagers.
~Jennifer Eklund
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#1267142 - 09/12/09 04:33 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: keyboardklutz]
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I think in the current economic climate this shouldn't come as a surprise. It's not a detriment because people are still seeking out their artistic impulses they just don't have money burning a hole in their pockets to dole out for private lessons.
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#1268039 - 09/14/09 11:52 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: Monica K.]
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Registered: 05/30/07
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Loc: Middle England
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Computer technology is here to stay, it may or may not considered a replacement for real life but it isn't going away and, after all, without it this forum wouldn't exist. I'm no where near qualified enough to comment on the content of Hugh's tutorial but he's put an awful lot of work into it, which is to be applauded, and it should serve as an incentive to other teachers to get started using similar methods. I'm looking forward to seeing how Webinar pans out.
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#1302423 - 11/09/09 10:17 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: Chris H.]
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I must admit to being a bit daunted by it all as my knowledge of technology is not great. I just bought a new PC and it took me a whole day to set it up! Looking at what you have done I really wouldn't know where to begin. I guess I better start learning pretty quick.
Just reading this interesting thread and saw your comment and can't help myself, so: I would urge you to pack up your PC, and enroll in some serious training as I did. I began using a PC in secondary school and studied advance and applied math for 6 years. Later, enrolled in a university and got both a degree in computer science and a master degree in engineering. Do you know if you are not properly trained to used a computer what sort of damage you could have not to mention all the virus, security problems, Trojans, worms, causing havoc to you and others by becoming victims and zombies of hackers allowing your systmem to be used in coordinated attacks to individuals, businesses, and government agencies? No, you need proper training, at least 10 to 15 years before you should consider using a computer. You also need to spend several years to study and pass exams on systems and networking certifications before you connect your computer to the Internet. For now, if you must, pick up some children's games and play those only. You are not ready for real software especially if you are not capable of properly optimizing and configuring each software module for correct hardware interface and integration. Stay away from the Internet, that's too dangerous for beginners with no skills in computing. If you don't get some computer training right away, you are bound to become seriously injury from repetitive motion injuries as well! Hilarious. What's more hilarious is that if you get a Mac, those problems (except for the possibility if an RSI) go away completely. 
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#1900096 - 05/20/12 05:12 AM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: keyboardklutz]
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Registered: 05/18/12
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I have reached lesson 62 and have loved every minute of my learning experience, and the achievement that has come with it. I am very grateful to Hugh Sung for the time and trouble he has put in to pass his knowledge on to others. But imagine my devestation when I realised there were no further lessons. I am just checking with others who have gone through this that there is no further support from this wonderful teacher after movement 60.
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#1900377 - 05/20/12 06:19 PM
Re: Hugh Sung's Clair de Lune
[Re: keyboardklutz]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/01/03
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Hugh is still a member here. I was fortunate that he stopped in Kansas City.. We had BLT's for dinner and he was SUCH an accomplished pianist that I didn't play a single thing.. what was the point? kajp.. I hope you find another avenue. I almost hate to add to this thread.. there really is a lot of negativity, I cannot begin to tell you what an incredibly talented musician he was and he talked about his online lessons. a very charming conversationalist who also loved bacon. Hugh - you might like this lovely photo of you. 
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