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#1236452 - 07/24/09 11:31 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: MadFable]
mezzo-poor Offline
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I've just played a PX-730 in an appliance shop.
I especially had interests in its new three sensors pick-up system and new Linear Morphing AIF technology.

They said that the response for repeated notes was improved.
So I brought a metronome to test the response for repeated notes.
If you play sextuplets with 90 beats/min it means you play 9 notes/sec.
For the test, I used the center C key.
I could easily play 9 notes/sec with PX-730 but it was difficult to play 10 notes/sec.
So let me say the limit was 9.5 notes/sec.
I thought it was sufficient performance because the limit of my upright was 9 notes/sec.
Then I thought a weak point of PX-720 was improved.
However I found that from PX-720 to PX-730, the touch was not changed but the response was changed.
I thought they didn't change the action but the sensor.

About Linear Morphing AIF, I felt this piano was not good at playing piannisimo.
The change of tone in the range between ppp to mp was a little conservative.

Besides three sensors pick-up system and Linear Morphing AIF, I found the PX-730 had rich resonances with the sustain pedal.

Speaking totally, I think PX-730 is an excellent DP in this price level.


Edited by mezzo-poor (07/24/09 11:35 AM)
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#1236516 - 07/24/09 12:35 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Kestrel]
Nikalette Offline
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I feel like screaming. My final decision last month was down to the PX 320 vs YPG 635. I wanted the portability of the 320, but some of the features of the 635. Anyway less than a month later the 330 is available online for $699! I have HAS too. Sigh.

I may get the 330 anyway because I'm going to need portability and probably sooner rather than later, and now the few features the YPG has that it doesn't won't matter since I JUST Bought the 635.

BTW, as soon as that gigantic thing arrived in 2 boxes at my home I realized I would never return it...thus when I got ready to buy another DP I'll probably suck it up and pay taxes and a slightly higher price (maybe) just because of the greater ease of return...then again maybe not.

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#1236538 - 07/24/09 01:02 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Nikalette]
Vincent L. Offline
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You might wrote about the couple of features that made you choose the Yamaha vs the Casio, but would you mind sharing this again?

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#1236558 - 07/24/09 01:31 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Vincent L.]
Nikalette Offline
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Originally Posted By: Vincent L.
You might wrote about the couple of features that made you choose the Yamaha vs the Casio, but would you mind sharing this again?


Yes, but I want to correct myself in that I had actually come down to either the PX 320 or PX 575 vs. YPG 635.

There were different things missing on each keyboard, and without looking back at the specs I can't recall offhand, but it came down to lesser polyphony, lack of an educational suite, the lack of digital display, fewer recording tracks, difference in MIDI/USB ports, and heavier action on the Casios.

Altho' each of those Casio were better in some way, the YPG had all the features I wanted built right in at the right price.

I see they've added musical libraries and educational components to the new models and some more good stuff, so I think I would probably have chosen a PX if these models had been out.

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#1236573 - 07/24/09 01:46 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Nikalette]
Vincent L. Offline
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I might be wrong but I suspect the musical libraries are the 60 classical pieces you can play as demo and educational component might be the ability to play slower these 60 classical pieces and play them with only the left or the right hand selected (which allows you to train the other hand). If that is so, the PX-320 does that already.
I did not see any information about any new educational feature.
I believe some edu systems slow down and keep in sync as the student struggle progressing through the score ...
I am always worried about marketing spin out about features that end up being not as useful sooner or later.
They improved the look of the PX-330 vs the 320. I am sensitive to that, not only the specs. Must resist ...


Edited by Vincent L. (07/24/09 01:47 PM)

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#1236595 - 07/24/09 02:21 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Vincent L.]
Nikalette Offline
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Originally Posted By: Vincent L.
I might be wrong but I suspect the musical libraries are the 60 classical pieces you can play as demo and educational component might be the ability to play slower these 60 classical pieces and play them with only the left or the right hand selected (which allows you to train the other hand). If that is so, the PX-320 does that already.
I did not see any information about any new educational feature.
I believe some edu systems slow down and keep in sync as the student struggle progressing through the score ...
I am always worried about marketing spin out about features that end up being not as useful sooner or later.
They improved the look of the PX-330 vs the 320. I am sensitive to that, not only the specs. Must resist ...


Yes I think the educational part was missing on the 575. It is just about having a music library and being able to learn right/left hand separately....not really a big deal, but with the Yamaha you have a whole bunch of extra songs you can load onto the keyboard.

Really, the only tempting thing for me is portability since I already have the YPG...so I might just end up getting an older model when the price drops.

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#1236805 - 07/24/09 07:10 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Nikalette]
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I sounds like "Linear Morphing" means that instead of switching between the 4 levels of samples at certain velocities, they actually blend them together over a range of velocities. I'm curious if it's just a linear mix (as the 'linear' would imply) or they have a more complex algorithm. Does anyone else do that with sample based DP's?

As long as the samples were adjusted to be pitch perfect matches (which I'm sure they are), the differences would be in the overtones and whatever harmonics were captured. The question is does this successfully create the illusion of many more levels or just sound strange. I guess we'll find out.

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#1236909 - 07/24/09 11:38 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Kestrel]
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Yeah, I noticed that too. My assumption is that they are not suppose to allow pre-ordering yet, and Mike "being part of Casio" made them drop it until the official release.

Just a guess, since both dropped near the exact same moment.
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#1236980 - 07/25/09 05:11 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: MadFable]
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also played a PX-130 in Tokyo and agree with most of what mezzo-poor wrote. However, I was not as impressed with the instrument overall asI expected to be. First the good points:

- It looks pretty nice
- It sounds good. The piano tone is very nice and I think the organ sounds are much improved also.
- It feels a little more solid than before and I didn't hear any keyclick (on the admittedly new keyboard).

Now the less impressive points:

- The keyboard has a syrupy, sluggish feel to it, like the felt is too thick. I didn't feel this in the PX-320 next to it, and although I could play quickly, it didn't feel as responsive as I'd like.
- The 3-pedal unit looks very plasticky and fragile.
- The response to volume changes from ppp to mf is a little jumpy and not as smooth and intuitive as it should be.

In short, I don't think it's as much of an improvement as I was hoping. I can still recommend it, but I'd be more likely to steer someone towards a P140 or P155 if they can swing the difference.

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#1237916 - 07/26/09 11:40 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Geoffk]
Otherwise Offline
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http://casio-intl.com/emi/piano/privia/px330bk.html

The Casio intl site has a description of the new products.

I (still) haven't ordered the PX 320 that I intended to order early this year - so this is great!

looks like there will be 250 tones, 180 rhythms. I noticed Guitar Center is listing it at $699 available Aug. 31.... so we'll see. I will probably give them a call at that time.

Thanks for all who posted -

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#1243262 - 08/04/09 12:43 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Otherwise]
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A few clarifications -

I will confirm but I'm quite certain the PX-130/330 have the same key action as previous models. It is the triggering system that is changed. A third sensor has been added for improved response to the touch. Key click can be addressed by the way its mounted and other enhancements to the chassis.

As for the transition between dynamic levels, there are adjustable velocity curves if the default one does not suit your needs.

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#1243449 - 08/04/09 04:07 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Geoffk]
nitekatt2008z Offline
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Originally Posted By: Geoffk
also played a PX-130 in Tokyo and agree with most of what mezzo-poor wrote. However, I was not as impressed with the instrument overall asI expected to be. First the good points:

- It looks pretty nice
- It sounds good. The piano tone is very nice and I think the organ sounds are much improved also.
- It feels a little more solid than before and I didn't hear any keyclick (on the admittedly new keyboard).

Now the less impressive points:

- The keyboard has a syrupy, sluggish feel to it, like the felt is too thick. I didn't feel this in the PX-320 next to it, and although I could play quickly, it didn't feel as responsive as I'd like.
- The 3-pedal unit looks very plasticky and fragile.
- The response to volume changes from ppp to mf is a little jumpy and not as smooth and intuitive as it should be.

In short, I don't think it's as much of an improvement as I was hoping. I can still recommend it, but I'd be more likely to steer someone towards a P140 or P155 if they can swing the difference.


I just heard about the new Casio Privia line to be sold in the US soon. I have a Privia PX-300 and a PX-200. The piano sample on the PX-200 is better than the one on the PX-300. Also the keyboard action is better on the 300. The keys are longer than the keys on the 200. I measured the keys on both boards in mm and there is no question Casio has changed the key design, not an upgrade improvement in my opinion. The 300 has about 100 rhythms onboard, the 200 only has 20 and all the tunes are classical. The PX-300 tunes have jazz, fusion, standards.

But the main thing that interests me about the new Privia line is the addition of a pitch bend wheel. Not sure if a mod wheel is included.

Does anyone know if the piano samples are the same on the PX-200 as the new Privias? They added felt to the key bed, so can anyone comment on the exact key measurements and how responsive the action is. How about the Rhodes/electric piano samples on the new ones compared to the PX-200?

Thanks for your help and advice

katt

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#1243553 - 08/04/09 06:30 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: nitekatt2008z]
Vincent L. Offline
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The price war has already started - On Monday August 3rd I have been quoted and price matched by 2 online vendors $649 for a PX-330 deliverable in next 2 to 4 weeks.

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#1243760 - 08/05/09 02:25 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: MadFable]
galaxy4t Offline
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If the actions on the new Privia's are the same then the keys will eventually become noisy--disappointing that Casio still hasn't corrected this. I read somewhere the new SP32 pedal is all plastic just like the SP30--no improvement or changes there either.

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#1243766 - 08/05/09 03:26 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: galaxy4t]
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Can the pedal unit on the SP32 (or SP30) be separated from the long horizontal part that attaches to the stand?
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#1243811 - 08/05/09 07:35 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: jscomposer]
veem Offline
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Has anyone found a site that sells the casio cs67--the stand for px130/330?

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#1244013 - 08/05/09 12:30 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: jscomposer]
galaxy4t Offline
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Originally Posted By: jscomposer
Can the pedal unit on the SP32 (or SP30) be separated from the long horizontal part that attaches to the stand?


JS Composer:
I think it's one integrated unit made to attach to the stands Casio makes for their pianos. The problem with this pedal is that the plastic casing that the pivot pin goes through eventually cracks and disintegrates with use. One user somehow modified his broken pedal making a metal case for it and got it working again. But the engineering on this pedal isn't up to the standard it should be.

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#1244861 - 08/06/09 03:09 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: galaxy4t]
CHIANN LOOKER Offline
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Loc: Kentucky, USA
Casio PX-130 come with Pearl White color and match with its white stand.

it's sure look pretty and "vitural-feeling of space-saving" very good for small house or small apartment with white wall.

Anyone know where to order PX-130WE in USA ???

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#1260484 - 09/01/09 05:30 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: CHIANN LOOKER]
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THE PX130 IS NOW AVAILIBLE!!!!

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#1260726 - 09/01/09 11:10 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: sercretchamberman]
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Do Casio's really degrade to the clacking keys as fast as some say? Or is it over-exaggeration?

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#1260750 - 09/01/09 11:53 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: NoFingers]
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Mine loosened up after a couple months. Some take longer than others. The new PX-130 appears to be an upgrade. The piano sound seems improved, and the keys feel solid on the new models. Casio is now using a strip of felt over the backs of the keys so the key clack issue might be improved. But it is impossible to say for sure. If your concerned about the keys loosening up, you might want until it has been around for a while so it can be better assessed.

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#1260809 - 09/02/09 02:25 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: NoFingers]
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I haven't had "clacking keys" on my Privia PX-310 after almost 3 years of daily pounding. The keys are pretty loud, but all these keyboards share that. More of a thumping sound, with the volume/midi off.

The super-poor pedal unit is no joke--beware! It is shoddy & will disintegrate very quickly if you play much. Unfixable unless you have pro mechanical skills. Proprietary jack, meaning no half-damper for you once the pedal breaks; and it will.

Also the built-in sound has no pianissimo tone; just a less-loud version of the mp tone. And, the note sustain is too short in the upper register.

Maybe Casio will fix some of these things in these new ones; I would guess not.

Still, it's a good bargain & light. Caveat emptor.
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#1260888 - 09/02/09 08:49 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Eternal Music Student]
Acoustic Dave Offline
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I'm about to buy a PX-130, so I'll let folks know how it turns out. I want to thank everyone here for their advice that led me to this decision...I went into my local Guitar Center and they had the Yamaha P-155 next to the new PX-130 so I spent quite a bit of time going between the two (in fact they were close enough that I could play one with one hand and one with the other to get a sense of the different weighted action). In my mind, they both felt about the same and much superior to any other model in the room (mainly other less expensive Yamahas as I recall). With the Casio less than half the price of the P-155, it seemed like a no-brainer.

I would disclose I'm approaching this as a replacement for my acoustic piano, so am not looking for lots of bells and whistles other than key action/feel and the grand piano sound.

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#1260993 - 09/02/09 11:59 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Acoustic Dave]
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EMS:
I can verify what you say about the sustain of notes in the upper registers. This is probably to compensate somewhat for the limited poly. Does your PX310 ever sound like some of the notes are slightly out of tune on the piano voice? As for the pedal, the SP30 is a joke. Have heard that the pedal for the Yamaha YPG 635 is also plastic. Guess cheapness is a trend on low end pianos. One more observation, the PX 575 (which I own) is 3+ year old model. I guess this is a popular seller, but seems like it's due for revamping given it's limited Poly (32 notes) while all other Casio's DP have 128 Poly.

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#1261116 - 09/02/09 02:40 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: galaxy4t]
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The pedal question is one of the things that ultimately pushed me to the Ap-200. The three-pedal unit is metal, and well integrated with the furniture-style stand.

I too have noticed that the sustain is lousy, and for this reason, my recital recordings use the maestro soundfont. Much better. OTOH, I bought the Ap-200 knowing full well that I didn't (and don't) care for the sound.
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#1262184 - 09/04/09 02:38 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: mezzo-poor]
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#1262288 - 09/04/09 10:22 AM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: mezzo-poor]
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I played a PX 130 last night for the second time at Guitar Center. My impression of it is favorable. There has been improvement in the piano sound. Not sure I like the electric pianos so much, especially the 60's wurly. Strings sound somewhat better. On board rhythms no longer exist like they did on the PX-120. There is just a metronome. Sustain is still weak in the upper registers--second and third octaves above middle C. Piano action feels solid-about like the PX-320/120, when new. No sign of key clack, but unsure whether action will loosen up and become noisy in time. There is a piece of felt on backside of the keys-maybe this improves the keys slapping against their rests on return which contribute to clacking. Speakers seem to be redesigned. There is webbing on back of the piano, as well as a small slot on top of the piano. Bring a good pair of headphones to fully evaluate for yourself. Looks to be an upgrade to PX 120 sound wise.

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#1262409 - 09/04/09 02:22 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: galaxy4t]
Nikalette Offline
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If I do switch to PX for protability, I'd go for the 330 just because I want the outputs for speakers. Is there any disadvantaage to the 330 over the 130?

Also on the sustain pedal thing, with my YPG 635, I wanted a better sustain so bought the 3 pedal unit which attaches to the stand and I think the sustain is poor also, really not much better than the switch that came with the unit.

I wonder if this is a universal problem with DPs?

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#1262431 - 09/04/09 02:48 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: Nikalette]
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Has anyone auditioned a 730 next to a P155 fo FP7 for example? I am curious what the feel of the keyboard compares to in the same general price range.

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#1262693 - 09/04/09 11:11 PM Re: Casio New PX130/730/330 coming soon [Re: theJourney]
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Nikalette:
The PX330 is an upgrade over the PX130. I don't see any disadvantages. There are a bunch more things offered on the 330 including sounds, rhythms, line in, line out, and a 16 channel mixer for recording. Unsure what editing options are available on the piano for the mixer, but in this price range, this is big bang for the buck. It also has an LCD screen, but it looks small from the pictures I've seen. I've not seen a PX 330 yet and don't think there in wide availibility. The 130 just made it to stores in the last week.

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