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#1261304 - 09/02/09 08:04 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: TrapperJohn]
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WOW! This is a blast from the past!

From another current thread - I referred to our octave mandolin player as a "mandolinista" and bluekeys said it was his new favorite word!

Should we start on banjo jokes, too?

(Nice one, Home)

laugh

Cathy
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#1261345 - 09/02/09 09:18 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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In spanish both terms are directly connected as we use flauta and flautista.
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#1261350 - 09/02/09 09:25 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Originally Posted By: John Frank
I definitely would slap silly anyone who called me a flautist - I know it's supposedly "correct", but is there any term more pretentious in the musical world - one does not play a flaut - one plays a flute - thus, one is a flutist - can we shelve the term flautist forever and henceforth flog anyone "uppity" enough to use it!
It's only your perception that makes it sound pretentious, I think. If it's always been used where you are, like here in Oz, then it just sounds normal.
But I'll respect your wishes and never call you a "flautist" smile
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#1261565 - 09/03/09 05:08 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: John Frank
I definitely would slap silly anyone who called me a flautist - I know it's supposedly "correct", but is there any term more pretentious in the musical world - one does not play a flaut - one plays a flute - thus, one is a flutist - can we shelve the term flautist forever and henceforth flog anyone "uppity" enough to use it!
It's only your perception that makes it sound pretentious, I think. If it's always been used where you are, like here in Oz, then it just sounds normal.
But I'll respect your wishes and never call you a "flautist" smile


Thanks - but calling a flute player a "flautist" will never sound "normal", neither in the Land of Oz nor elsewhere - this is like calling a garbage man a "sanitary engineer" or a salesman an "account representative" or a clerk a "customer service agent" - after all, Mozart didn't write no stinkin' flaut concertos (concerti) - and while we're at it shouldn't the proper term be pianoforteist since that's the correct historical name for our beloved instrument? And perhaps the term keyboardist would be most nearly all-inclusive since it could reasonably cover DP players, organists, harpsicordists, etc.

Regards, JF
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#1261568 - 09/03/09 05:18 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Cranky today are we, JF? laugh

So, here's an adjunct to this thread:

What do you call a person who plays -

a piano

a guitar

a violin

a tympani

a mandolin

spoons

a banjo

a flute

a marimba

an ocarina

a didgeridoo

the radio

??

Cathy
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#1261574 - 09/03/09 05:47 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Originally Posted By: John Frank
Mozart didn't write no stinkin' flaut concertos
He also didn't refer to a flute as a "flute" either smile . (Except on the days he was speaking US English to keep you happy smile )
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#1261664 - 09/03/09 09:52 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: jotur]
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Originally Posted By: jotur
Cranky today are we, JF? laugh


grin Not just today, but every day - I take a pill to get that way laugh

Originally Posted By: jotur
So, here's an adjunct to this thread:

What do you call a person who plays -

...

a flute


A freakin' flaming foreign flautist... eek or, a flute player...

Originally Posted By: jotur
the radio

Cathy


Someone with a broken CD player...

Regards, JF
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#1261672 - 09/03/09 10:05 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: John Frank
Mozart didn't write no stinkin' flaut concertos
He also didn't refer to a flute as a "flute" either smile .


I concede your point (although I'm sure given the choice - if he had spoken USA English - he would have used "flute") - tradition has it that he always referred to the flute as "that girly-man instrument" (although I can't seem to verify the accuracy of this assertion) laugh .

And I'm sure that you will now concede that there's absolutely no good reason to call a flute player, i.e., a flutist, a "flautist" except the carryover "snob appeal" from polite, aristocratic European society - a culture that died a couple of centuries ago, but which few there have been brave or honest enough to accept yet. smile

Regards, JF
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#1261676 - 09/03/09 10:11 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Did you just launch a broadside attack against the entire population of Europe?
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#1261687 - 09/03/09 10:29 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: Matt H]
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Originally Posted By: Matt H

I think the difference between pianist and piano player relates to genre and social distinction. A piano player plays in a bar (or better yet, in a joint), a pianist in a concert hall. That's why Fats Waller is not a pianist.


To set the record straight, Fats Waller played Carnegie Hall twice, in 1942 and 1944:

http://jazzlives.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/fats-waller-at-carnegie-hall-1942-and-1944/

And, Fats Domino also played Carnegie Hall in 1971:

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Edited by rocket88 (09/03/09 10:31 AM)
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#1261696 - 09/03/09 10:39 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Originally Posted By: John Frank
Originally Posted By: jotur

...

[quote=jotur] the radio

Cathy


Someone with a broken CD player...

Regards, JF


LOL

Cathy
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#1263113 - 09/05/09 06:28 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Interesting question! I have mentioned that I "play piano" but several people, including my instructor says that I am a pianist. I wonder and think that maybe the more one pursues playing, the more the term applies?? In any event, to see oneself actually playing musical pieces, is a sheer delight!!

Take care!
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#1263147 - 09/05/09 07:45 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: piano4]
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I didn't realize this was an old thread till I saw Wilson's lawyer's post...


Edited by Mark... (09/05/09 07:49 PM)

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#1263169 - 09/05/09 08:37 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: rocket88]
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How do you pronounce "pianist" anyway? There are two pronunciations listed in the dictionary, one like piano with an ist at the end, the other the pronunciation that no one with a child under the age of 18 ever uses because of the ensuing hilarity.



Edited by Nikalette (09/05/09 08:40 PM)

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#1263173 - 09/05/09 08:41 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano play [Re: Nikalette]
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Originally Posted By: Nikalette
How do you pronounce "pianist" anyway? There are two pronunciations that I have heard, one like piano with an ist at the end, the other the pronunciation that no one with a child under the age of 18 ever uses because of the ensuing hilarity.
Like a lot of pronunciations, it varies depending on where in the English-speaking world you live. I'm afraid that here in Australia, we use the hilarity-inducing pronunciation, and strangely enough, I've never seen it induce hilarity smile .
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#1263188 - 09/05/09 09:05 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
I didn't realize this was an old thread till I saw Wilson's lawyer's post...


ha

and at the time he was kind of funny smile

This thread coming up again took me by surprise, too smile

Cathy
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#1263191 - 09/05/09 09:15 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: jotur]
Mark... Offline
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Originally Posted By: jotur
Originally Posted By: Mark...
I didn't realize this was an old thread till I saw Wilson's lawyer's post...


ha

and at the time he was kind of funny smile

This thread coming up again took me by surprise, too smile

Cathy



Yeah, I enjoyed his posts, he seemed like a nice guy, who would of thought he was a sock puppet?...


Edited by Mark... (09/05/09 09:16 PM)

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#1263237 - 09/05/09 10:48 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: John Frank

Note: if flaut is French for flute then go to France with the rest of those spaghetti-spinned weasels and be a flautist... (French piano players and pianists excepted)


Sorry JF, You will have to direct your foul mood on someone else; in French, we call them "flutiste" when they "joue de la flute" wink
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#1263315 - 09/06/09 05:34 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: ddh]
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ddh - "foul mood"? What foul mood? I was being upbeat and cordial when I said that! wink but sorry - I stand corrected - and I was mostly kidding about the French - I'm sure that most French people are very nice (whether they're flutists, flautists or flutiste) - after all, nobody really believes that old saying that the only thing the French do well is surrender laugh - but then, there are many unwarranted stereotypes and misconceptions in Europe (and perhaps most especially in France) about America and Americans, aren't there? Both sides need to disspell those, don't we?

Regards, JF
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#1263374 - 09/06/09 10:03 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player? [Re: TrapperJohn]
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JF, I wouldn't know an European stereotype if it was sitting in front of me; I'm from Qu├ębec, Camada. We have our own set of stereotypes (true or not) about Americans.

Sorry about the foul mood; I'm not always able to recognize when You are upbeat and cordial, being French Canadian and all wink

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