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#1264141 - 09/07/09 04:32 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Rich Galassini]
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I'm eagerly awaiting lesson 24 Hugh, and thanks again for this excellent series.

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#1264152 - 09/07/09 04:51 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: cruiser]
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Hey Cruiser, it's Labor Day! You're supposed to take the day off.
Ooops, I see you're in Germany. Oh well, never mind. smile
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#1264184 - 09/07/09 05:34 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: jazzyprof]
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'ooops' from here too, jazzyprof - thanks for the reminder and I hope you've all had - are having - a relaxing hol in the USA!

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#1264243 - 09/07/09 07:47 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: cruiser]
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Hugh,

Here's a Russian edition of the score with fingering (from piano.ru):

http://www.box.net/shared/yqm7j4n21e

Your fingering is easier, but this edition is nice to have, even with the difficult stretch from Eb to Bb with 5-4 in measure 5.

It's really, really great to hear you stress the joy of learning to play.


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#1264375 - 09/08/09 02:46 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: dannylux]
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Mel, these fingerings are very similar to those which I use. My teacher suggested them as they allow for playing legato throughout, and she is totally paranoid about legato playing (which I actually very like about her teaching). They might be more difficult for some though, as they seem awkward at times.

Thanks for the score, I'm sure many will find it useful!


M.


Edited by Mati (09/08/09 02:47 AM)
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#1264423 - 09/08/09 06:21 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Mati]
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Lesson #24: Measures 15-16 & Measure 17, Part 1

Now that we've learned the notes for measures 15-16, we'll explore a couple of pedaling options. Be sure to review lessons 16.1 and 16.2 for the basics on pedaling if you haven't seen them before.
We then start to look at the beginning of measure 17, by noticing a new French term for the "right hand" ("main droite") which helps play an extra note together with the left hand. I also give a quick overview of what we'll cover in the next lessons for measures 17-18.

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#1264424 - 09/08/09 06:23 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: dannylux]
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Originally Posted By: dannylux
Hugh,

Here's a Russian edition of the score with fingering (from piano.ru):

http://www.box.net/shared/yqm7j4n21e

Your fingering is easier, but this edition is nice to have, even with the difficult stretch from Eb to Bb with 5-4 in measure 5.

It's really, really great to hear you stress the joy of learning to play.


Mel





Thank you so much for this score, Mel! The fingering i give in the videos lessons are purposefully simplified - if there's enough interest out there, I could look into presenting a seminar to explore some cool advanced fingering and pedaling techniques smile
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#1264434 - 09/08/09 07:01 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Hi Hugh. I just joined your "class". I just wanted to say thanks so much for all the work your putting into this! :-)


Edited by RobinL (09/08/09 07:05 AM)

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#1264598 - 09/08/09 12:59 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Hi Hugh,

There is something I'd noticed in the recently covered bars that I'd like to ask about. It's the articulation mark "tenuto" (I think) either above or below the chords.


In bars 15 (top note of the chords both LH & RH), in bar 16 (top RH & Bottom LH), and in bar 17 other than the first RH chord, they are not present.

Does this mean that the note should be accented and if so: how can you vary the relative 'emphasis' of the notes within a chord and can you suggest any ways or methods to practice this skill?

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#1264801 - 09/08/09 06:44 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: RobinL]
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Originally Posted By: RobinL
Hi Hugh. I just joined your "class". I just wanted to say thanks so much for all the work your putting into this! :-)

Welcome to the "class", RobinL! Hope you have fun learning alongside the rest of us!
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#1264808 - 09/08/09 06:53 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: EJR]
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Originally Posted By: EJR
Hi Hugh,

There is something I'd noticed in the recently covered bars that I'd like to ask about. It's the articulation mark "tenuto" (I think) either above or below the chords.


In bars 15 (top note of the chords both LH & RH), in bar 16 (top RH & Bottom LH), and in bar 17 other than the first RH chord, they are not present.

Does this mean that the note should be accented and if so: how can you vary the relative 'emphasis' of the notes within a chord and can you suggest any ways or methods to practice this skill?

Best wishes,

Hi Elwyn
Great question! I think in this case, the tenutos (you got that right!) are more an indication of the length of the notes, rather than accents. Octaves are notoriously difficult to connect, so this may be Debussy's way of requesting as smooth a texture as possible.

One way to practice may be to try the passages without pedal and exploring how long you can hold each octave while minimizing the "air time" to move between them - i.e., maximize "hold", minimize "air". You'll want to be careful not to produce too much tension in your hands, fingers, and arms - let your hands/fingers rest in each octave pocket by force of weight and gravity as long as possible, and when you move to the next octave, try to do so with as little height to re-strike the hammer as possible. Does that make sense?

There are so many wonderful intermediate and advanced questions being raised, I wonder if anyone in the class would, at some point, be interested in a live "webinar" to explore some creative solutions to fingerings, thirds, octaves, and anything else that the group comes up with that isn't being covered in the core lesson videos. A show of hands, class?
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#1264817 - 09/08/09 07:14 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Here's my hand. Have learned so much from you, I'll take all I can get. Would a live "webinar" be something we could replay? I'm sure I couldn't digest everything in one sitting.

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#1264819 - 09/08/09 07:16 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Liber_Ouchy]
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Originally Posted By: Liber_Ouchy
Here's my hand. Have learned so much from you, I'll take all I can get. Would a live "webinar" be something we could replay? I'm sure I couldn't digest everything in one sitting.
I'm looking into various webinar software - most of them seem to feature the ability to record the session, so i think that's a standard option that we could make available to all the participants. BTW, any techies out there who can make a good recommendation for webinar software that can stream video well?
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#1264912 - 09/08/09 10:12 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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I love watching and hearing you play. Your timing is so perfect. It just relaxed me so much. Can you come play for me and put me to sleep? blush Just kidding. I am planning on jumping on this train tomorrow. And thanks for doing this. It is such a beautiful piece.
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#1264921 - 09/08/09 10:27 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: HappyApple]
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another for the webinar! One other thing that would be nice, if you can afford the time (you might still have the footage) is a video of just your "overhead" view of the keyboard, playing the whole piece straight through. Either your simplified fingering, or the one you would normally use would be useful in their own respects. This way, we could learn how you handle the fingering for the entire song right away, and (potentially) raise you questions before the lesson so you can incorporate answers into your lessons. Just a thought!

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#1265049 - 09/09/09 05:23 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: munkeegutz]
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Hi guys. I think I've found a legit version of the score in 'proper' pdf rather than just jpgs embedded in pdfs. Hope this helps someone:

http://www.musanim.com/pdf/debussyclairdelune.pdf

It had a copyright but says it you can freely distribute for non commercial purposes :-)


Edited by RobinL (09/09/09 05:24 AM)

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#1265106 - 09/09/09 08:47 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: RobinL]
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Originally Posted By: RobinL
Hi guys. I think I've found a legit version of the score in 'proper' pdf rather than just jpgs embedded in pdfs. Hope this helps someone:

http://www.musanim.com/pdf/debussyclairdelune.pdf

It had a copyright but says it you can freely distribute for non commercial purposes :-)


Wow!! This is terrific! Looks like a version created with a typesetting program like Lilypond or Finale/Sibelius, which in many cases is much cleaner to view on a computer screen than scanned paper versions. Thanks so much for sharing this link, RobinL!
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#1265110 - 09/09/09 08:48 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Lesson #25: Measures 17-18, Part 2

Recognizing that the right hand is playing mostly octaves again, we start by mapping the top notes. We also learn about "grace notes", a special kind of fast note that acts as a musical "decoration". We explore two sets of fingers for the right hand, one for smaller hands, the other for larger ones which provides for better finger connections ("legato", in Italian). The key rule for fingering is to always make sure it feels comfortable for your own hand, as everyone's hand is unique in shape and size.

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#1265112 - 09/09/09 08:50 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: munkeegutz]
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Originally Posted By: munkeegutz
another for the webinar! One other thing that would be nice, if you can afford the time (you might still have the footage) is a video of just your "overhead" view of the keyboard, playing the whole piece straight through. Either your simplified fingering, or the one you would normally use would be useful in their own respects. This way, we could learn how you handle the fingering for the entire song right away, and (potentially) raise you questions before the lesson so you can incorporate answers into your lessons. Just a thought!


That's a great idea, Munkeegutz - i'd have to shoot new footage, as my head tends to get in the way of the overhead camera unless i specifically pull back, but i'll try to work on that in the future. Thanks!
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#1265114 - 09/09/09 08:52 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: HappyApple]
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Originally Posted By: HappyApple
I love watching and hearing you play. Your timing is so perfect. It just relaxed me so much. Can you come play for me and put me to sleep? blush Just kidding. I am planning on jumping on this train tomorrow. And thanks for doing this. It is such a beautiful piece.


LOL - some people say I put them to sleep with the sound of my voice! I guess i'm just a human tranquilizer! :P
Hope you enjoy the lessons, and welcome aboard!
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#1265223 - 09/09/09 11:27 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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I would love to participate in a webinar.

Thank you
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#1265236 - 09/09/09 11:50 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Count me in for the webinar too
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#1265253 - 09/09/09 12:17 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Originally Posted By: Hugh Sung
That's a great idea, Munkeegutz - i'd have to shoot new footage, as my head tends to get in the way of the overhead camera unless i specifically pull back, but i'll try to work on that in the future. Thanks!

The only thing is, you run the risk of people who aren't prepared trying to learn the whole piece and hurting themselves. I know I'm constantly at risk of injury (and am, in fact, hurt right now) but thats mostly due to my deadly combination of hobbies (piano, rock climbing, weight lifting and computer programming)...

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#1265259 - 09/09/09 12:27 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: munkeegutz]
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Hugh,

I was waiting for your fingering suggestion for the grace note in the measure 18 and you did it again, thanks so much. I am going to use your first suggestion and play the grace note with 5 and then immediately go on with 4-2-1.
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#1265333 - 09/09/09 01:59 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: CoffeeLover]
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Originally Posted By: CoffeeLover
Hugh,

I was waiting for your fingering suggestion for the grace note in the measure 18 and you did it again, thanks so much. I am going to use your first suggestion and play the grace note with 5 and then immediately go on with 4-2-1.


I'm so glad you found that grace note fingering helpful!
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#1265334 - 09/09/09 02:00 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: munkeegutz]
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Originally Posted By: Hugh Sung
That's a great idea, Munkeegutz - i'd have to shoot new footage, as my head tends to get in the way of the overhead camera unless i specifically pull back, but i'll try to work on that in the future. Thanks!

The only thing is, you run the risk of people who aren't prepared trying to learn the whole piece and hurting themselves. I know I'm constantly at risk of injury (and am, in fact, hurt right now) but thats mostly due to my deadly combination of hobbies (piano, rock climbing, weight lifting and computer programming)...


Hm...i'd suspect that computer programming is by far the most damaging to your body than anything else you mentioned!

This might be another topic to add to the webinar, thoughts on comfortable playing and injury prevention at the piano. Thanks for raising these points!
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#1265343 - 09/09/09 02:23 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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haha you'd be surprised: I use a special egronomic keyboard for programming, its actually rock climbing that's the problem. I got this injury by combining restarting rock climbing for this semester with 16th note scale practice @ 95bpm. what was I thinking?

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#1265344 - 09/09/09 02:28 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: munkeegutz]
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haha you'd be surprised: I use a special egronomic keyboard for programming, its actually rock climbing that's the problem. I got this injury by combining restarting rock climbing for this semester with 16th note scale practice @ 95bpm. what was I thinking?


Oh my!! Please be careful!! If i may recommend a fantastic book, it would be "Stretching" by Bob Anderson and Jean Anderson. Check it out and let me know if it helps.
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#1265416 - 09/09/09 04:29 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Originally Posted By: Hugh Sung
Originally Posted By: munkeegutz
haha you'd be surprised: I use a special egronomic keyboard for programming, its actually rock climbing that's the problem. I got this injury by combining restarting rock climbing for this semester with 16th note scale practice @ 95bpm. what was I thinking?


Oh my!! Please be careful!! If i may recommend a fantastic book, it would be "Stretching" by Bob Anderson and Jean Anderson. Check it out and let me know if it helps.


Wow is that book still in print? I think I bought mine 25 years ago!

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#1265431 - 09/09/09 05:18 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]
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Originally Posted By: Hugh Sung
I'm looking into various webinar software - most of them seem to feature the ability to record the session, so i think that's a standard option that we could make available to all the participants. BTW, any techies out there who can make a good recommendation for webinar software that can stream video well?


I'm not a techie but I work in an educational technology office. I've asked our resident gurus for input. Will let you know what I hear back.
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