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#1270066 - 09/17/09 05:19 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: BanditHH]
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I agree with you that GHS feels light. I did not care for it when I sampled a YPG 635, and the action was also noisy. I perferred the action on the Casio and would be surprised if the 330 has light action like the Yahama. I agree with BanditHH, that the Privia has better touch than the GHS Yahama uses. I haven't played a 330 yet, but have played two PX-130's. The action feels close to the PX120/320 in my opinion. Comparing it to a P-155 recently, I thought the PX-130 had more resistance, but was solid and responsive.

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#1270111 - 09/17/09 06:27 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: galaxy4t]
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I had tried the PX 120/320 before and thought the action was too heavy, it was one of the reasons I got the YPG 635. I don't notice noisiness on the action. I think the 330 action is slightly better than the YPG feels more realistic, but I thought it's lighter than the previous Privia action.

If action was the only issue, then the Privia 130/330 would be better than the YPG, but I would pick the YPG over the 120/320 because they were too heavy for me.

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#1270132 - 09/17/09 06:57 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Nikalette]
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The Yamaha YPG235 and YPG535 are what Yamaha calls Graded Soft Touch - it is a synth based action. Of this line, only the YPG 635 with Graded Hammer Standard (GHS) is truly a weighted action DP.

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#1270148 - 09/17/09 07:28 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: BanditHH]
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Originally Posted By: BanditHH
I interpreted it to mean 3 layers of piano samples, is that different?


Marimorimo:
I believe the confusion here is related to the number of times the original sound was sampled when recorded-4x. It's similar to the way CD players used to be rated when they came out. Some sampled sound at 2x, 4x, 8x, etc. The higher the number the better the reproduction/quality.


Edited by galaxy4t (09/17/09 07:31 PM)

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#1270220 - 09/17/09 10:13 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Originally Posted By: BanditHH
I interpreted it to mean 3 layers of piano samples, is that different?


Marimorimo:
I believe the confusion here is related to the number of times the original sound was sampled when recorded-4x. It's similar to the way CD players used to be rated when they came out. Some sampled sound at 2x, 4x, 8x, etc. The higher the number the better the reproduction/quality.


Actually the piano sample in the new Privias was recorded at 4 different dynamic levels. As an example: p, mp, mf, f.
These samples are then triggered based on the key velocity. The new engine in the PX-x30 also interpolates the sound between velocity layers so you get smooth transitions, not switches as you change from a soft dynamic to a louder one.

On top of this the new PX-x30's have a new Tri-Sensor keyboard. This ensures that every nuance and detail of what you are playing gets delivered to the sound engine. It also is more effective for capturing faster repeated notes than previous models.
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#1270226 - 09/17/09 10:23 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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If anyone is interested I posted a review of the PX-330 on the Guitar Center site.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Casio-PX-330-88-Key-Digital-Keyboard-582722-i1466868.gc


Edited by DoctorMusic (09/17/09 10:25 PM)

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#1270228 - 09/17/09 10:25 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Nikalette]
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Do you have a link for the "other PX thread"? I'm new hear and having trouble navigating.


Doc

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#1270231 - 09/17/09 10:36 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: DoctorMusic]
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Mike Martin,
Appreciate the explanation on the sound sampling. And yes, the new PX models are definately more responsive when notes are pressed. I notice the difference from the older Privia I have.


Edited by galaxy4t (09/17/09 10:38 PM)

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#1270321 - 09/18/09 02:34 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: galaxy4t]
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@DoctorMusic

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@MikeMartin

When is the PX-330 video on youtube? smile


Edited by BanditHH (09/18/09 02:36 AM)
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#1270345 - 09/18/09 05:41 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: galaxy4t]
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#1272395 - 09/21/09 11:16 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Nikalette]
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An online review -

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/privia-nx-130-real-piano-sound-in-26-pounds/

The PX-330 review should be in the October issue of Keyboard Magazine
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#1272463 - 09/22/09 03:44 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Is the PX 575 getting an upgrade?

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#1272608 - 09/22/09 10:36 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Nikalette]
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Originally Posted By: Nikalette
Is the PX 575 getting an upgrade?


With the addition of the pitch wheel, display, and 180 rhythms, the PX-330 has many of the features of the PX-575 and more. I can't comment on any other product development at this time, but if there are specific features you're looking for, please let us know (probably appropriate for another thread).
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#1272702 - 09/22/09 12:46 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Mike,

I have a hard time understanding the difference between the PX-830 and the AP420.
Both are lacking the portability of the px130/330, and they share the same specs. So they seem redundant. I am more attracted to the PX-830 so far -
Couldn't Casio spend more money improving the other models and their accessories (like the 3-pedals bar) instead of having 2 models offering the exact same features?
Or did I miss something in the Casio marketing here?

Thanks,

Vincent

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#1272744 - 09/22/09 01:46 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Vincent L.]
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Vincent,
While I don't have the specifications in front of me, the style of the two units is very different. The AP-420 is very traditional, while the PX-830 has a more contemporary and modern design. I think the designs are different enough that each product has a place in the market.

In regards to the pedal issue which I've seen a few times on this forum, I've actually done the research with our service and returns departments to find out more and have not been able to find reports of these issues. As I stated in another thread, in over a year in this position at Casio America, I've never had a single call from a dealer that had a customer with a problem. If you are having an issue, I urge you to contact our customer service department. https://www.casio.com/support/contactus/contact
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#1273029 - 09/22/09 08:45 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: BanditHH]
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Mike, you are welcome. I have a few question for or anyone else that can help me. Is there a way to switch pedal polarity on the PX-330? Also, what pedals work with it besides the one that comes with it. Also, there is some type of odd connection under the PX-330 which says pedal. What kind of pedal is that for?

Thanks in advance.

Doc

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#1273043 - 09/22/09 09:13 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: DoctorMusic]
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just jumping in here....the pedal connector on the bottom is for the optional 3 pedal unit (SP-32) (see pg E7 of manual) ----not sure but i think the polarity would be adjusted on the pedal if needed. i just got the m-audio pedal (about $20. on amazon) and it has a polarity switch but i was able to use it as is on the PX330.

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#1273152 - 09/23/09 01:22 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: limavady]
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Thanks a lot for the clarification, galaxy4t and Mike Martin! I did notice that the keys in the new PX-n30 models somehow felt more responsive.

I was like a kid in a candy store when I had chance to try out a lot of DPs when I visited Japan last weekend. There was a PX-830 on display which I absolutely loved. The new look and material of the keys felt so different! I didn't think changing the key material would make much of a difference, but after playing on the PX-830, I couldn't help feeling a sharp drop in my playing enjoyment when I went back to the PX-730. I like the music stand which doubles as a key cover as well, though the actual music rack area was smaller than I expected. The high-gloss black finish that scheduled to be released on November in Japan looks very sleek.

It's hard to find DPs in my country so I took the chance to try the Korgs, Clavinovas, Rolands, and Casios available. I've only ever tried Casios before so I was worried that I was missing a lot by not having the higher-end models, but with my beginner amateur ability, I felt no compelling reason to ditch my Casio DP. Unfortunately the store was very noisy and I didn't have headphones on to make a more accurate comparison, but overall, I felt the Casio DPs competed very well with the other brands especially on the price-value factor.
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#1273179 - 09/23/09 02:43 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: marimorimo]
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Thanks marimorimo for the review on the PX-830, I can't wait to try one out, when I tried the PX-800 I felt everything was right except for the feel of the keyboard, if that's improved I'll buy one. Here it seems it will sell for just under £1000 were as the Roland DP 990 I was considering would cost me £1400...a big difference in price.
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#1273694 - 09/23/09 07:42 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: crusadar]
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Doctor Music,
As Lima said the connector underneath is for the SP32 Casio 3 pedal unit. It adapts to the wooden stands Casio makes. It is made of plastic and there is some concern over how it holds up on these forums. I had a PX 800 that I never took out of the box and returned for concerns over the pedal and the keybed used in this model. There are other pedals that will work with Casio. The SP2 by m-audio works fine. There are other threads about pedals for Casio on this forum. The most recent one was regarding pedals for the PX-320 in early summer.


Edited by galaxy4t (09/23/09 07:47 PM)

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#1273867 - 09/24/09 01:07 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: limavady]
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I absolutely LOVE using the Yamaha sustain pedal that has a rubber base which swings out to step on with your heel. This pedal (FC-4?) doesn't move when you use it. But it doesn't work with the PX330 apparently. Does anyone know of any other single pedal unit that doesn't move forward when used? Or is there an adapter I can buy or make so the Yamaha pedal will work with the PX330? If not, I am thinking my tech guy can do a workaround with the polarity. Maybe even put in a polarity switch.

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#1273882 - 09/24/09 01:53 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: DoctorMusic]
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One time i think i was accidentally pushing down the sustain pedal( a cheap one on a yamaha) when i turned the keyboard on and the polarity was apparently reversed that way, on all the time until i pushed it down....maybe that would work. Don't want to advise though in case this might mess something up.

just got the m-audio pedal for about $20 on amazon. It has a polarity switch but on the 330 works as is anyway....seems nice and doesn't seem to be slipping.

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#1273935 - 09/24/09 06:18 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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OMG

Hi, Mike Martin. The frailness of the Casio three-pedal unit has been posted upon umpteen times on this here forum, as well as others.

Most people today assume that when something breaks when used as intended it's due to "made in China" syndrome, therefore they aren't likely to ship the unit to some place to get it "fixed", especially when one short look at the piece reveals fatal unfixable flaws.

Maybe this new Privia has a reinforced pedal unit, unlike all the previous models. If so, explain how it's better.

P.S. I don't mean to sound rude--thanks for checking in here so often.
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#1274060 - 09/24/09 10:54 AM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Eternal Music Student]
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Eternal Music Student,

If I had broken SP-30s here at the office or a single complaint from a dealer, I would gladly be the first one to contact our R&D in Japan speak to them about the issue. I have seen a few posts here on this forum, usually by the same individuals regarding the SP30 pedals. Obviously I'm very sorry that they've had an issue, but based on the number of units sold and without any other reports from dealers I suspect that these are unfortunate but isolated incidents. If any customer is having ANY issue with a Casio product they should do the following (in this order):

1) Contact Casio service.
https://www.casio.com/support/contactus/contact

2) Contact their local service center
http://www.casio.com/support/musicservicecenters

3) Only after steps 1 and 2 above, send me a PM through this forum.

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#1274237 - 09/24/09 02:11 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Just got my PX-330BK, the CS-67BK stand and the SP-32 pedal unit. I put that all together in an hour; it is real easy and straightforward. The only issue being that I was unable to hide the pedal unit cable completely. The assembly is stable yet easy to move around if needed.

Must say that the left-most key was half way pressed. I pushed it a bit, it released immediately and started to work as expected. All other keys were fine.

As already said keyboard is excellent and sound is good enough. Volume control is not that sensitive I think (my personal preference of course).

Could not get why on all that space the LED is so small?!? A little wider display could have made it much more usable.

That's for now...
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#1274264 - 09/24/09 02:52 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: kalpazan]
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I got my PX 330 today, and I really like the key action, it feels fantastic. I also like the piano sounds. The other sounds are a little bit disappointing, but not very important to me, because I wanted to have a DP with a good key action and brilliant piano sounds. And I also like the small design, but in the future Casio should think about a metal case. OK plastic is lighter, but metal is more solid, I think the PX 330 looks not that it is for stage purposes

I think Casio should spend a better note holder, this one looks like cheap crap and doenst fit (design) with the very good design of the PX 330, the note holder from the PX 730 looks much better. I also think that Casio should spend a better pedal unit for that price!

I was wondering that the PX 330 just supports 2GB SD cards, I know 2GB are more than I would ever needed, but Hello, wake up Casio, we have already 16GB cards, and the smallest card I had was 4GB frown

@Mike Martin

I saw in the prospects that the PX 330 should also have a learn function, for left and right hand, and also together. BUT I found nothing about it in the user manual. So I'm wondering, is there a learn function implemented or not^^ Also not very important to me, but if Casio advertise this feature it should be included wink If the function is included, please tell me how i can find it laugh

P.S. I had the Yamaha DGX 630 before, I returned it because it had a defect speaker. So I decided to invest a bit more and get a better key action and of course a better designed DP wink. No doubt the design of the DGX 630 is horrible, but it offers also some nice features that I miss now. F.E. the bigger display (which shows also music sheets and lyrics) and the better sounds. In my opinion the PX 330 spots the same market like the DGX 630, so take a look at this feature +metal case +better note holder +better pedal unit, I would love to see them in a PX 340 wink
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#1274279 - 09/24/09 03:04 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: kalpazan]
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Wow, the PX-330 is a popular piano. I just ordered the home bundle from Kraft Music and they told me that it was backordered and in their next shipment of 20, they've already sold 12 of them. Well, now 13... I needed a piano my kids could learn on and was very tempted to go with the PX 130. Ultimately, I chose the 330 because
1) Better speakers (2 way),
2) More songs can be recorded,
3) Line out, in case the speakers still aren't good enough and I want to feed it into my own amp, and
4) The SD card slot. The SD card slot almost convinced me all by itself. I think that's a great feature and I'm shocked at the lack of that feature on other DPs. It'll be much more convenient to transfer songs, rhythms, and such between computer and piano via the SD card than trying to move the DP and hook it up to the computer via USB. And a 2 GB card is probably large enough to store every MIDI file I can find, but if not then I can simply swap cards depending on the occasion.

None local to try out, so only the youtube demos and reviews to go on. But I'm eagerly awaiting my new toy.

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#1274334 - 09/24/09 04:28 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: BanditHH]
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Originally Posted By: BanditHH

@Mike Martin
I saw in the prospects that the PX 330 should also have a learn function, for left and right hand, and also together. BUT I found nothing about it in the user manual. So I'm wondering, is there a learn function implemented or not^^ Also not very important to me, but if Casio advertise this feature it should be included wink If the function is included, please tell me how i can find it laugh


Please let me know where you saw this feature listed. The PX-330 does not have this capability, although the PX-130 does.
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#1274347 - 09/24/09 04:55 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: Mike_Martin]
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overview technical features

Learn function:

Part ON/OFF
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#1274350 - 09/24/09 05:06 PM Re: Casio New PX 130, PX 330, PX 730 Reviews [Re: BanditHH]
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I've been looking for a keyboard that has the measure by measure learning function that is offered on the less expensive Casios, like the WK500 and the CDP 200R.

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