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#1273470 - 09/23/09 01:05 PM H1N1 is here.
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It is here folks. One of the public High Schools had 319 students sick out of 1100 yesterday. They are not testing for H1N1 anymore as it is confirmed it is here. I suspect many of those students are opportunists but non the less, they are probably closing schools for the rest of the week.

I have provisions in my policy for snow days but not pandemics. Hmm, what to do?
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#1273484 - 09/23/09 01:14 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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What section of the country are you in?

It sounds serious with the numbers you mentioned in your community.

I can imagine that a piano teacher might want to totally close down for a week or more until the crisis is over if only to try to protect ourselves and our families. This would also curtain my going to town or eating out, etc, etc. I have autoimmune problems as do 2 of my daughters and 1 grandchild, so I am extra cautious about illness and disease.

You all take care!

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#1273502 - 09/23/09 01:37 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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I have not seen this on any of the national news stations, nor in any of the newpapers.

Where is this happening?
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#1273515 - 09/23/09 01:54 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Inlanding]
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I don't know where Mrs. A is, but several schools in Nebraska are reporting more than 20 percent of the student body home with flu symptoms.

Until the vaccine is distributed I expect this will happen in some areas. Last I heard the H1N1 vaccine will be available in mid to late October - and once administered takes 8 to 10 days to provide immunity.

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#1273523 - 09/23/09 02:02 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Dorrie]
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The federal government has several sources of information on seasonal and H1N1 flu. A nice one is www.flu.gov. Within that website there is a specific page with state level information, including news feeds

http://www.flu.gov/whereyoulive/healthmap/

For those of you concerned about flu, perhaps this will be a helpful resource

D

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#1273538 - 09/23/09 02:28 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Dorrie]
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Yes, I am in Nebraska.


I suspect that many of this kids are using this as an opportunity to get out of school.


My family contracted a terrible flu type bug in the middle of August. Even my husband got terribly sick. We suspected H1N1 but never tested. I cancelled lessons for a week then and don't want to do it again.
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#1273801 - 09/23/09 10:16 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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This weekend I attended a science lecture about H1N1 given by a public health doctor and researcher. He said to expect about 1/3 absenteeism due to the flu. Sickness will be a bit worse than the usual flus but it is not the "end of civilization as we know it" flu that the media is trying to make you believe. Incubation is about 48 hours but you become contagious around day 2 and stay contagious until about day 6. Therefore, even when you are feeling well, you may still be contagious. (Keep this in mind when your recovering student wants to have a lesson). The doctor said it was advisable to get a flu shot now - even though it is not for the new H1N1 strain. It covers the older flus which might make an appearance. The new vaccine for the new strain of H1N1 won't be available until October because it takes about 6 months to make a vaccine and H1N1 didn't show up until May. Plan on getting this second flu shot for H1N1 when it becomes available. He showed us statistics that verified that flu cases increase dramatically when school is in session and reduce during school breaks, so, yes, your students will be the carriers.

Prophylaxis: Using a regular mask to stay well is useless because the virus dries out quickly and can penetrate the pores of the mask. The sick person should be the one wearing the mask because the virus travels on droplets from the sick person. If you want to buy an N95 mask it will protect you but only if it fits absolutely perfectly. He recommended frequent hand washing and to try not to be in close proximity (10 feet)to the sick person - hard to do when you are teaching piano. When sick you stay home, get plenty of fluids, etc. Your doctor may discourage your coming in for a visit unless you have very severe symptoms or a prolonged high fever.

He also mentioned that people who were around in the 1950's and mid 70's may have a slight resistance to this flu because of its similarity to strains that made the rounds during those years.

So, stay well everyone!
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#1273836 - 09/23/09 11:34 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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Originally Posted By: Mrs.A
Yes, I am in Nebraska.


I suspect that many of this kids are using this as an opportunity to get out of school.


My family contracted a terrible flu type bug in the middle of August. Even my husband got terribly sick. We suspected H1N1 but never tested. I cancelled lessons for a week then and don't want to do it again.


Our local high schools here have a few cases of H1N1 but MANY absenses because parents are keeping their kids home out of fear and kids are cutting class, saying they are sick.
We take our son to college tomorrow, to the University of Oregon, for his first year. The health center up there is concerned and advocates the common-sense hygiene practices. My fingers are crossed.
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#1273846 - 09/24/09 12:01 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Barb860]
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Originally Posted By: Barb860
Originally Posted By: Mrs.A
Yes, I am in Nebraska.


I suspect that many of this kids are using this as an opportunity to get out of school.


My family contracted a terrible flu type bug in the middle of August. Even my husband got terribly sick. We suspected H1N1 but never tested. I cancelled lessons for a week then and don't want to do it again.


Our local high schools here have a few cases of H1N1 but MANY absenses because parents are keeping their kids home out of fear and kids are cutting class, saying they are sick.
We take our son to college tomorrow, to the University of Oregon, for his first year. The health center up there is concerned and advocates the common-sense hygiene practices. My fingers are crossed.


Yes, I agree. I don't think anyone is too worried and many kids are taking advantage of this opportunity. We are fortunate that my family has no health concerns.

Thanks for the encouragement.
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#1274203 - 09/24/09 01:44 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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I purchased a huge pump bottle of antibacterial hand sanitizer for just this reason. Students go straight to the pump when they walk in the door and clean their hands before their lesson. I also use a Clorox wipe to wipe down my keys at the end of every day. I've had several students out with the flu recently, and I don't want to catch it! So far, so good.
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#1274218 - 09/24/09 01:57 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: PianoKitty]
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H1N1 is a virus. Antibacterials won't help - they don't kill viruses. Hand-washing with regular soap would be more effective.
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#1274229 - 09/24/09 02:06 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Kreisler]
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I know it's a virus, but if someone has sneezed or coughed into their hand, the gel will kill those germs, right? I would rather they use that than nothing!

Do any of you tell your students to wash their hands before their lesson, or use gel? I actually had parents request this, because with such a large teaching studio with kids at tons of different area schools, they were afraid of germs being spread at the piano. So, I was happy to oblige.
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#1274256 - 09/24/09 02:35 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: PianoKitty]
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Originally Posted By: PianoKitty
I purchased a huge pump bottle of antibacterial hand sanitizer for just this reason. Students go straight to the pump when they walk in the door and clean their hands before their lesson. I also use a Clorox wipe to wipe down my keys at the end of every day. I've had several students out with the flu recently, and I don't want to catch it! So far, so good.


I do the same thing. Just be careful as those products can ruin wood finishes.
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#1274299 - 09/24/09 03:43 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: PianoKitty]
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Originally Posted By: PianoKitty
I know it's a virus, but if someone has sneezed or coughed into their hand, the gel will kill those germs, right?


It'll kill a lot of bacteria, but not the virus. "Germ" is a just generic term used to describe various microorganisms, including bacteria, viruses, fungi, amoebas, etc...

Anti-bacterials kill the bacteria and are better than nothing, but nothing really kills viruses. All you can do is scrub them off. Soap and water does the trick nicely.

Hand sanitizers are better than nothing, but there's no substitute for good ol' fashioned soap and water.
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#1274305 - 09/24/09 03:53 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Kreisler]
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Alcohol based hand sanitizers are effective against the H1N1 flu virus. The non-alcohol based ones are apparently untested or less effective.

Remember if you are relying on hand washing, you need to make sure kids wash long enough (a verse of twinkle, twinkle is about the right length)

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/qa.htm

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#1274313 - 09/24/09 04:08 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Dorrie]
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I checked the cdc site you mentioned. It states "If soap and water are not available use an alcohol based hand rub". So obviously washing with soap and water is best. As far as the hand sanitizer goes, the site gives a dubious claim that the alcohol "kills germ".

In my opinion it makes people feel better to think they are killing germs, but still doesn't kill the virus. I think it's meant to cover school issues where hand washing is not readily available, and if parents complain they can say "But we're using hand sanitizer which is recommended by the CDC." There is an element of politics involved.

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#1274399 - 09/24/09 06:21 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Overexposed]
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Actually further down on the website it is made clear that a number of products - including soap and alcohol are effective against influenza virus. But CNN was running an article today suggesting that handwashing wasn't effective either. That article gave a fairly informative description of why hand washing was effective against the cold, but not against h1n1 because of the shape of the virus and the mode of transmission (airborne water droplets)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/24/hand.washing.helpful/index.html



From the CDC

What kills influenza virus?
Influenza virus is destroyed by heat (167-212°F [75-100°C]). In addition, several chemical germicides, including chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, detergents (soap), iodophors (iodine-based antiseptics), and alcohols are effective against human influenza viruses if used in proper concentration for a sufficient length of time.

*What if soap and water are not available and alcohol-based products are not allowed in my facility? Updated on Sept 14
If soap and water are not available and alcohol-based products are not allowed, other hand sanitizers that do not contain alcohol may be useful.

I'm getting a vaccine!

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#1274461 - 09/24/09 08:09 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Dorrie]
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Nitpicking here - you can't kill a virus because it is technically not alive to begin with. You can deactivate it with heat, drying and exposing it to substances that compromise its structure.

Your best bet is to get vaccinated...when it becomes available...by which time you hopefully have not already gotten sick. Until that time, guard your health by keeping your immune system strong with frequent handwashing, rest, healthy diet, exercise and lots of time doing things that make you happy!

Oh, I just remembered a great tip from an experienced teacher: Do not let sick children throw their dirty tissues into a waste bin that sits in your studio or classroom. Make them take the used and virus saturated tissues with them to dispose of elsewhere.
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#1274468 - 09/24/09 08:19 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: gooddog]
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"Good quality" hand sanitizers are virucidal as well as bactericidal.It is not a gimmick. They usually contain chlorhexidine and alcohol.

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#1274508 - 09/24/09 09:21 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Andromaque]
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Update on the H1N1. The absentee numbers are down to 220 in the high school -still 20%. The state health official, according the local news, is saying that if you have flu symptoms it is likely H1N1. It is not influenza A or B. The first hand reports I am getting is that it is not any worse than typical influenza. People are recovering quickly. Hopefully when it reaches the rest of the country it will have even less of an impact.
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#1274518 - 09/24/09 09:36 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
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Here in Australia they are recommending those in high-risk categories be immunised as a priority (pregnant women, healthcare workers, those with immune problems, diabetics, indigenous people) but the panic we had a couple of months ago in winter seems to have gone away. I suppose I was rather surprised to see the statistics which showed how deadly the ordinary seasonal influenzas had typically been!
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#1274776 - 09/25/09 09:43 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: currawong]
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Agreed currawong! Had a few infections through this year, stress + no sleep = sick ... but H1N1 isn't really bad, its just the terrible jokes that come with H1N1 that can really annoy me.
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#1274792 - 09/25/09 10:21 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
Kresiler
"Good quality" hand sanitizers are virucidal as well as bactericidal.It is not a gimmick. They usually contain chlorhexidine and alcohol.


Yep...sorry about the misinformation. I checked with one of my physician friends last night and he said the alcohol in most sanitizers definitely helps. A good scrubbing session with soap and water is still better, but the sanitizers do help.

I fully expect to get H1N1 this year. I live near a hospital, and my wife works at the hospital, several of my friends work at the hospital, several of my students' parents work at the hospital. Some of these people work in pediatrics and the infectious disease department. They've already diagnosed some cases here, so I know the virus is running around town somewhere.

Guess we'll see how good my immune system is! laugh
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#1274796 - 09/25/09 10:23 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Kreisler]
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Oh...one thing I'm doing is limiting my physical contact with students and the piano they play on. Since people become infectious before they show symptoms, I could have H1N1 today and have no idea. I carry that little bit of knowledge around in the back of my mind every day, hoping that I don't do anything to infect others.
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#1274810 - 09/25/09 10:49 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Oh...one thing I'm doing is limiting my physical contact with students and the piano they play on. Since people become infectious before they show symptoms, I could have H1N1 today and have no idea. I carry that little bit of knowledge around in the back of my mind every day, hoping that I don't do anything to infect others.


Me too. There is much more contact with beginners and especially their little hands. You have to touch them. Helping to place their fingers on the keys, opening their books and I sitting close enough to them to point to the notes on the page makes contact with germs unavoidable. Older advance students open their own books I am able to sit further away form them. This week I avoided demonstrating on the piano (and touching the keys after a student). Wouldn’t you know it, last night I had all beginners.

Tonight I have a family of four and the parent is a pediatrician. Yikes.
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#1274811 - 09/25/09 10:49 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: gooddog]
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Originally Posted By: gooddog
Oh, I just remembered a great tip from an experienced teacher: Do not let sick children throw their dirty tissues into a waste bin that sits in your studio or classroom. Make them take the used and virus saturated tissues with them to dispose of elsewhere.


No offense Gooddog, but that's disgusting! Why in the world would he suggest that? Is someone planning on digging in the trash? That's what trash cans are for! The "dispose of elsewhere" would probably be my driveway where I would have to touch them to pick them up lol!

FYI: I had 6 piano kids yesterday, 3 out sick. Son's history class of 30 had 9 out sick, my own classroom of 16 had 4 out sick.
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#1274837 - 09/25/09 11:29 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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Well I picked up some hand sanitizers, but they only killed 60% of the bacteria. So back I went and got the 99.9% ones! (So what's the .1% issue?) So just check the bottles!

Here's hoping no one has to shut down a piano studio!
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#1274889 - 09/25/09 12:55 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Diane...]
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I don't keep a trash can in my studio. I do keep tissues and after a student blows his nose I ask him to put it in his pocket (and throw it away at home). I don't think that's disgusting. Then I give them a drop of hand sanitizer.

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#1274946 - 09/25/09 02:43 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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I actually heard this from a veteran teacher and also saw it in a teaching textbook. Did you ever think about the affect of sitting next to a virus filled trashcan for an hour? The book was addressing the fact that new public school teachers often get sick and one way to battle this was to avoid keeping a tissue filled trashcan near the teacher's desk. I have extended this. I request my students thrown their tissues in the large can outside my classroom or keep them in their pockets to dispose of later. I think it helps.
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#1274956 - 09/25/09 03:02 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: PianoKitty]
Nikalette Offline
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: PianoKitty
I purchased a huge pump bottle of antibacterial hand sanitizer for just this reason. Students go straight to the pump when they walk in the door and clean their hands before their lesson. I also use a Clorox wipe to wipe down my keys at the end of every day. I've had several students out with the flu recently, and I don't want to catch it! So far, so good.


Sorry for butting in her, but my RN self can't help it. If I were you, I'd wipe down the keys after every student, if it won't hurt the piano. It's the friction that kills the bacteria more than the wipe, so you could probably use a more gentle wipe more frequently and then do the Clorox at the end of the day.

The most important thing is not to touch your face, and to teach your students not to. It drives me nuts to see people putting their fingers in their mouths or touching their face, hair, etc... You never really get your hands clean, just decrease the viral and bacterial count (think of how long a surgeon scrubs - almost 10 minutes with a hard brush and potent antibacterial scrub).

The virus can hang in the air and on surfaces for a long time.

The key is to break the pathogen cycle in as many places as possible, and the last place is keeping it out of your body, by not introducing to your mouth or nose.

Take care and stay well!

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#1274958 - 09/25/09 03:04 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Mrs.A]
Nikalette Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mrs.A
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Oh...one thing I'm doing is limiting my physical contact with students and the piano they play on. Since people become infectious before they show symptoms, I could have H1N1 today and have no idea. I carry that little bit of knowledge around in the back of my mind every day, hoping that I don't do anything to infect others.


Me too. There is much more contact with beginners and especially their little hands. You have to touch them. Helping to place their fingers on the keys, opening their books and I sitting close enough to them to point to the notes on the page makes contact with germs unavoidable. Older advance students open their own books I am able to sit further away form them. This week I avoided demonstrating on the piano (and touching the keys after a student). Wouldn’t you know it, last night I had all beginners.

Tonight I have a family of four and the parent is a pediatrician. Yikes.


Holy cow. I forgot about the piano books, those little hotbeds of pathogens. Impossible to clean.

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#1274961 - 09/25/09 03:07 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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Originally Posted By: Ebony and Ivory
Originally Posted By: gooddog
Oh, I just remembered a great tip from an experienced teacher: Do not let sick children throw their dirty tissues into a waste bin that sits in your studio or classroom. Make them take the used and virus saturated tissues with them to dispose of elsewhere.


No offense Gooddog, but that's disgusting! Why in the world would he suggest that? Is someone planning on digging in the trash? That's what trash cans are for! The "dispose of elsewhere" would probably be my driveway where I would have to touch them to pick them up lol!

FYI: I had 6 piano kids yesterday, 3 out sick. Son's history class of 30 had 9 out sick, my own classroom of 16 had 4 out sick.


Just put a plastic liner in the waste bin. Otherwise the pathogens will be growing on the inside of your waste basket and when you pick it up those little things could get on you.
Remember, virus and bacteria are bugs (as one of my nursing teachers called them), they are alive and mobile, in a sense, although virus are really different in that they are parasitic.

At any rate, they die at different rates, and many can remain viable on a surface for several hours, and many can float in the air for hours as well.


Edited by Nikalette (09/25/09 03:07 PM)

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#1274965 - 09/25/09 03:13 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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This might be a good time to mention this website....I don't know why the mainstream media does not pick up on this in regards to the flu etc www.vitamindcouncil.org Not only do they talk about Vit D3 and the possible connection to fighting the flu, but a host of other problems we face due to the lack of Vit D3 in our bodies. Food for thought!

Here is a more direct link to the VitD3 connection and the H1N1 flu. http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml


Edited by grandpianoman (09/25/09 03:24 PM)

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#1275028 - 09/25/09 04:40 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Grandpianoman]
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Just be careful which web sites you put your trust in. The CDC and other reliable sources are better than someone called the vitamin council. While vitamin deficiencies can have a negative impact on your immune system, there is no evidence that I have seen, and by that I mean reliable double blind studies with adequate samples and replication, that show any nutrient can prevent the transmission of a pathogen.

By the way, you can have a blood test to determine whether you are deficient in Vitamin D. I had one because of my bone issues, and my levels were just fine.

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#1275088 - 09/25/09 05:56 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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I would think one of those pedal-operated wastepaper baskets, with a lid that closes by itself, would be both less unsightly and more sanitary.

Handwashing, sanitizer use, cleaning keys, making the kids use their own books, getting the vaccine... all you can do is try to improve the odds. All of them probably help, none of them is going to give you a 100% sure thing.

You can definitely help yourself if you take your vitamins, eat your vegetables, exercise moderately, get your beauty rest, and do a good deed once in a while. You might get the flu anyway, but the good health practices will make you stronger from inside... and you won't get dishpan hands from constantly disinfecting everything in your world.


Edited by Jeff Clef (09/25/09 05:58 PM)
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#1275127 - 09/25/09 07:07 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Nikalette, your point is well taken. My reason for posting this is that this website, run by Dr. Cannell has been around for quite awhile. It may be that the Vit D3 is not beneficial in helping to prevent the H1N1, but at this point, making sure your Vit D3 levels are optimum, which it sounds like you have done, is a good thing. It certainly cannot hurt, and if it does prove to be of help in preventing one from contracting the flu, great! Unless your are allergic to Vit D3, I don't think there is anything wrong with getting one's levels up to what Dr.Cannell talks about on his website. Dr.Cannell also talks about getting a blood test for your D3, but you must get the correct one, there are 2 different ones, and only the one called 25-hydroxyvitamin D test, also called a 25(OH)D is the one that will give you the correct levels that he talks about. You can have the test before starting the extra D3, or after taking it for 2 months. All this info and more is on his site, www.vitamindcouncil.org

Thanks to his website, I have been taking extra Vit D3 now for almost 11 months, and have not had a cold or sore throat since starting it. My levels are at 70ng's per ml, but it took much larger amounts of D3 to get there than what the gov't currently recommends as your daily intake requirements.

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#1275147 - 09/25/09 07:44 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Grandpianoman]
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Grandpiano man: Good for you on the Vit D3 working for you.
The doctor who had me take the D level blood test did so because the necessary requirements (he is a sports medicine doc) are about double what the MDR lists.

Jeff Clef: You're right about just reducing your odds and all the wellness advice. However, the single most important prevention for contagious illness is adequate handwashing, and secondarily, keeping your hands away from your face. At home, with my daughter and myself, we do the routine handwashing, after the restroom, before eating, after coughing etc...

Warning: graphic content:

But in public, that's a different story. I won't even TOUCH a door handle in a public restroom without a paper towel. We carry cleanser in our bags so we can clean our hands before eating (a very important practice, which appears to have vanished) without going into the filthy bathrooms in most restaurants. Why are they filthy? Because people don't wash their hands after using them.

When I see a woman (and I KNOW it's worse for men), walking out of a restroom without washing her hands, I want to call out "Bon appetit! Enjoy your sandwich!"

Oh, and just to sicken you even further, most public restrooms don't have lids over the toilets. A toilet when flushed sprays a fine mist of water and other "things" many, many feet, and that mist stays in the air for hours.

Never face a toilet when you flush. And keep your toothbrushes a good distance away.

I do have a special interest in infection control...I used to give classes to nurses' aides, practical nurses, medi-cal workers, etc...on infection control. I'm sure their lives were never the same after my lectures.


Edited by Nikalette (09/25/09 07:47 PM)

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#1275156 - 09/25/09 07:58 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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Originally Posted By: Nikalette
But in public, that's a different story. I won't even TOUCH a door handle in a public restroom without a paper towel. We carry cleanser in our bags so we can clean our hands before eating (a very important practice, which appears to have vanished) without going into the filthy bathrooms in most restaurants. Why are they filthy? Because people don't wash their hands after using them.

When I see a woman (and I KNOW it's worse for men), walking out of a restroom without washing her hands, I want to call out "Bon appetit! Enjoy your sandwich!"


Hee hee me too smile I use a towel on the handles of the bathrooms (why can't they all just push open??) and my sleeve for all other doors. Embarrasses the heck out of my kids. That is the grossest thing ever when people don't wash. I wish people would yell something at them, that would be fun! lol Trouble is, most of them wouldn't even understand what you're talking about.

I had to lightly harass the lady at the clinic the other day when I went in for a flu shot. I had to sign a paper and went in my purse to grab a pen (won't touch those either). She handed me the "magic" pen that I HAD to use because it shows up on the computer. I thought it was a bit daft to have a communal pen in a clinic where everyone is sick! Ummm duh? Went straight into the uncovered toilet room, washed, then used a paper towel to open the door lol.
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#1275197 - 09/25/09 09:06 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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Ebony & Ivory

Doesn't that make you sick ?

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#1275209 - 09/25/09 09:28 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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Well, I seem to have it. All week, my hyper-responsible, never-miss-work roommate has been home sick with what her Dr. believes to be H1N1, and today I started getting sick myself. I felt fine yesterday, but today I woke up with a headache, gradually developed a back ache, then my sinuses started emitting strange, thick mucus as well as bleeding sporadically. And I'm nauseated. Funsies.

The weirdest part is how about 2 hours ago I started to feel like I was drunk (on something weirdly hallucenogenic... absinthe, perhaps?), with my head swimming and my body getting weak and clumsy. In the opening of her article about catching the swine flu, pandemic expert Laurie Garret says, "As I type these words my brain is swarming with mind-twisting immune-system chemicals called cytokines", and now I know just what she meant!


Edited by tangleweeds (09/25/09 09:29 PM)
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#1275232 - 09/25/09 09:57 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: tangleweeds]
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Oh, and for what it's worth, both my roommate and I supplement our vitamin D. I take 1000 IU of D-3 per day, and my roommate takes a prescription-strength dose because of other medical issues.
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#1275267 - 09/25/09 11:09 PM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: tangleweeds]
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Look after yourself, tangleweeds, and I hope you're feeling better very soon.
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#1275306 - 09/26/09 12:07 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: currawong]
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Look after yourself, tangleweeds, and I hope you're feeling better very soon.


Yes, take care. I think swine flu can be diagnosed with a simple nasal swab. I also think that the medical community in the US is trying very hard not to document all the case, lest we panic.

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#1275307 - 09/26/09 12:08 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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Oh gosh tangleweeds. Take care of yourself!
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#1275310 - 09/26/09 12:13 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: tangleweeds]
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Originally Posted By: tangleweeds
Well, I seem to have it. All week, my hyper-responsible, never-miss-work roommate has been home sick with what her Dr. believes to be H1N1, and today I started getting sick myself. I felt fine yesterday, but today I woke up with a headache, gradually developed a back ache, then my sinuses started emitting strange, thick mucus as well as bleeding sporadically. And I'm nauseated. Funsies.

The weirdest part is how about 2 hours ago I started to feel like I was drunk (on something weirdly hallucenogenic... absinthe, perhaps?), with my head swimming and my body getting weak and clumsy. In the opening of her article about catching the swine flu, pandemic expert Laurie Garret says, "As I type these words my brain is swarming with mind-twisting immune-system chemicals called cytokines", and now I know just what she meant!




Maybe you have a sinus infection...then antibiotics can help. If it's the flu, there are antiviral meds that can help if taken in the first 24 hours (I think). Hey make sure you drink lots of fluids even if you don't feel like it, just make it small sips so you trick your tummy into not barfing. And it also sounds like you have a fever, so take your temp, you might feel better if you take tylenol to bring a fever down, but just keep taking fluids no matter what.

And it wouldn't hurt to call your doctor tomorrow if you feel worse.

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#1275322 - 09/26/09 12:22 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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Originally Posted By: Nikalette
I think swine flu can be diagnosed with a simple nasal swab. I also think that the medical community in the US is trying very hard not to document all the case, lest we panic
They stopped routine testing here months ago.
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#1275331 - 09/26/09 12:33 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: currawong]
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Tangleweeds, sorry you are feeling bad....fwiw, 1000 IU's a day is too low, according to Dr. Cannell...he mentions if you feel you are coming down with the flu, 50,000 IU's a day for 7 days is his suggestion!

The best thing to do is to take a look at his website to get all the latest info on VitD3. www.vitamindcouncil.org

Nikalette, yes, the current gov't daily recommendation is way too low as well, 400 IU's a day!?...if one goes out in the midday sun for 20 mins, 40% of your body exposed to the sun, you get 10,000 IU's!


Edited by grandpianoman (09/26/09 12:34 AM)

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#1275332 - 09/26/09 12:34 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: currawong]
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H1N1 has certainly not reached Greece yet! I have two children aged 4 and 6 and they both go school. It is scary, but actually I'm a bit hesitent to give them the specific h1n1 vaccination, since there are mixed feeling over here.

Plus I've actually heard from various official voices that the particlar string of flu is LESS dangerous and LESS serious than normal flu. But it's more dangerous to children due to it sticks to the upper part of the body, upper part of lungs and neck.

Oh and no testing here either. I think it was a decision by the WHO (if the acronym is correct) to quit doing tests and try to prepare for the pandemic instead.
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#1275335 - 09/26/09 12:45 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikolas]
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Here is another very informative website that has a lot of information on Vit D.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...l-nutrient.aspx

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#1275382 - 09/26/09 03:49 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Grandpianoman]
Nikalette Offline
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Originally Posted By: grandpianoman
Tangleweeds, sorry you are feeling bad....fwiw, 1000 IU's a day is too low, according to Dr. Cannell...he mentions if you feel you are coming down with the flu, 50,000 IU's a day for 7 days is his suggestion!

The best thing to do is to take a look at his website to get all the latest info on VitD3. www.vitamindcouncil.org

Nikalette, yes, the current gov't daily recommendation is way too low as well, 400 IU's a day!?...if one goes out in the midday sun for 20 mins, 40% of your body exposed to the sun, you get 10,000 IU's!


Yes the doc I saw recommended 800 IU's. Here's the thing to be careful of though: water soluble vitamins like C or the B's are hard to OD on because they get excreted from your kidneys if you take more than your body can handle. But fat soluble vitamins can be toxic in too high doses. I have no idea what those doses are, but there is a maximum safe dose for them. I'd have to look it up, but I think they get stored in your liver if not used.

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#1275458 - 09/26/09 08:48 AM Re: H1N1 is here. [Re: Nikalette]
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Originally Posted By: Nikalette
Originally Posted By: currawong
Look after yourself, tangleweeds, and I hope you're feeling better very soon.


Yes, take care. I think swine flu can be diagnosed with a simple nasal swab. I also think that the medical community in the US is trying very hard not to document all the case, lest we panic.



I don't think that's the reason. None of my wife's colleagues have been discouraged from diagnosing and documenting H1N1. They do, however, have a lot of other things that are often more serious.

The labs that work up H1N1 are the same labs that work up all the other diseases. If they swabbed every patient who walked in with flu symptoms, the labs would very quickly become overwhelmed. If you have one patient with a sinus headache and runny nose and another patient with severe headache, vomiting, and a stiff neck, then patient #2 gets priority. #1 probably has the flu and it will probably go away on its own, even if it's swine flu. #2 could have bacterial meningitis and might need immediate intervention.

Hep C and strep are not on vacation while H1N1 makes its rounds, and there are a limited number of doctors and pathologists. (Many of whom were working overtime before flu season started.)
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