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#1277082 - 09/29/09 05:20 AM CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"?
pocoloco Offline
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Hi
I just moved from an acoustic piano to Yamaha CLP-340.

My acoustic is a mellow upright piano, and my teacher has a Yamaha grand.

As it is my first days with the digital, i am not quite used to the sound or touch. Although I picked the mellow option it still sounds a little too bright for me.

Is there anything in the setting that you would recommend? Am I not supposed to turn the master volume way up?

When the sound is all the way up the bass sounds ok, but the treble is a little too sharp... or am I simply suffering from acoustic to digital move...

Any comments welcome.


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#1277097 - 09/29/09 06:14 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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No what you are experiencing is not unusual. The general concensus here is that clavinovas are bright. There are some settings that let you modify the brightness/mellowness further.

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#1277164 - 09/29/09 09:11 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: bobbo]
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I selected the mellow, but it is still bright smile
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#1277230 - 09/29/09 11:18 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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There should be several levels of mellow to choose from. Another trick to try is adjusting the touch sensitivity to hard.

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#1277238 - 09/29/09 11:37 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: BPrentice]
JTPRO Offline
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When you refer to the sound of a piano as being "bright", what do you mean exactly? Sorry, I am new to all of this stuff.

-JT

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#1277279 - 09/29/09 12:37 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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I also tried out the CLP 340 and found the sound to be far too bright, even when set to the most mellow settings. The "Grand Piano 2" option seemed slightly better, but what I noticed is that once the volume goes beyond 75% of MAX, the sounds started to become noticeably too bright.

That's the reason why I'm now looking at the Rolands instead.

Cheers

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#1277315 - 09/29/09 01:19 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: mr_ed]
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Bobo wrote, "The general concensus here is that clavinovas are bright."
I am in and out of the digital-synths & keyboards forum on a daily basis and have never seen this commented on once that I can remember. To state there is a concensus is unsuportable.

Without knowing what kind of piano the OP was used to playing, and what condition it was in, it is impossible to gauge a comparison.

Over the last 25 years I have shown the Clavinvos to hundreds and hundreds of players and never heard this comment.
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#1277339 - 09/29/09 01:47 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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You've never heard the comment that Yamaha DPs are bright? I've only been researching this for a couple of months, and my impression was that most people think the Yamaha sound is bright. In acoustics, this is often criticized. In DPs, this is often seen as an advantage because it allows the piano to stand out more in groups. In the end, it's personal preference.

That said, it is relative, and knowing the acoustic piano would give us a better idea of what the OP means by bright. Could also be the adjustment from acoustic to digital. Any decent acoustic will sound richer and more realistic, with deeper bass, etc.

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#1277412 - 09/29/09 03:32 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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Pilgrimjoel wrote, "...my impression was that most people think the Yamaha sound is bright." You state, "I've only been researching this for a couple of months." Can you tell us how you came to this impression about how most people feel abou the CLP340? It is these generalized statements about product lines and models that kill me. Certainly fine to state that in your personal opinion the CLP340 is bright. It is when folks begin to over generalize and mount up the "bandwagon" that I take issue. This forum is a good source, not the end all be all, but a good source of information. I don't ever remember reading one post stating that the CLP340 or Clavinovas in general were "bright."
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#1277451 - 09/29/09 04:34 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Marty,
I've OFTEN heard people say that Clavinovas are too bright.
I've also often heard people say that they're NOT.
Every listener has his/her own ear, so to each his own.

To the OP ...
I've found that the Piano 1 setting is bright, but suitable for some music.

For most music, though, I use Piano 1 in the "second variation" mode. (Is that the right term?) Then I use the separate "brilliance" control to fine-trim it to taste.

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#1277467 - 09/29/09 05:04 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Marty,

I was talking about Yamaha sound in general. Most people say its bright. I don't think you can deny that general opinion. You can dispute it, say its unhelpful, etc., but I seriously doubt you've never heard it said. Even Larry Fine mentions it -- that Yamaha pianos can be quite bright (although not as bright as they once were).

I own a C3. It's bright. I've auditioned U-series uprights and Clavinovas. Also bright (including the 340, btw). At least three people claim the 340 is bright in this thread alone. So now you've heard it. I've heard that Yamahas are not always bright, that some can be voiced down, etc., but I've yet to encounter one that did not tend bright. Of course, you have much more experience than me, but my experience does fit the general perception that Yamahas are bright.

Of course, acoustic pianos can be voiced down (to varying success), and the brightness of the 340 can be adjusted, but I'm not at all surprised that the OP finds the sound bright. It is after all sampled from a Yamaha grand -- is it not? -- and many people find the Yamaha sound bright. Some like this sound, and some don't. Some find the brightness an advantage -- especially in the DPs.

My response was not a criticism of the 340 or Yamaha -- just a response to your dismissal of anyone who would say they are bright as (I presume) either ignorant or promoting an agenda.

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#1277501 - 09/29/09 06:05 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Reading this and other forums for quite a while now, my impression has also been that most people here consider the Ammi sound bright. Some like it, some not. And I agree: I clearly find the sound of Yamaha DPs bright.

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#1277503 - 09/29/09 06:14 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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The original poster, Pocoloco, is just getting used to digital pianos in general and his new CLP340 in particular. He observed that, to his ear, the CLP340 sounded "a little too bright."

The discussion question was not Yamaha acoustics. It was not Clavinovas in general. It was about the CLP340 specifically.

Several generalizations were made about CLP340s and Clavinovas. I felt these generalizations were not supported by my fairly wide experience with the product and its consumers, and by the lack of any comments to the effect found on this extensive forum. If it is such a wide spread understanding, why is there nothing here to support that notion?

In regard to Yamaha acoustics, of course I have heard the rap Yamahas get for being bright. A lot of that comes from folks selling other products. A lot more of that comes from folks whose only experience is with Yamahas from 15-30 years ago, when, IMHO, they were much brighter than they are today. It was my feeling that none of this had anything to do with the thread question about CLP340s.

I was not just responding to anyone who would say CLP340s were bright. I was responding to those who would generalize the "fact" that it was a common understanding that they were bright. I don't believe this is a fact.

I am not "ignorant" in the field of digital pianos. I have represented and sold nearly all the major brands for the past 25 years. The only agenda I might promote would be against over generalizations about models and/or product lines. A poster's opinion should stand on its own. It is when they profess to speak for groups of "others" that they get tangled up in their own underwear.
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#1277529 - 09/29/09 07:16 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Fair enough. Your last sentence alone made this tussle worth it. Understand, though, that I wasn't calling you ignorant because you're obviously not.

Someone characterized Clavinovas as bright, and you objected that they are not and that you've never heard anyone say they are. I agree the poster over-generalized, but I also think your tone suggested that no one with real experience and intelligence would ever say they're bright.

Compared to you, I am ignorant. I'm an amateur and a consumer. However, I do have some experience with newer Yamahas (acoustic and DP). In my very subjective opinion, they tend to be bright. In truth, I like the 340 quite a bit and prefer it over the Kawais I've tried. (I have not tried Roland.) However, I can understand why some would call it a bright-sounding DP.

That said, I haven't played with it enough to know how adjustable the sound is, and it will be interesting to see whether the OP is able to adjust the sound to his liking. In the end, that's what counts -- not people telling him the piano is (or is not) bright. You insisting -- rather categorically -- that it is not bright is really not much better than the other poster insisting that it is.

I probably never should have stepped into this -- or gotten tangled in my underwear -- since I have nothing constructive to offer to the OP. I was just pointing out that it is not ridiculous (or unheard of) to think that Yamaha DPs are bright. And to insist otherwise does seem rather dismissive of the OP.

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#1277678 - 09/30/09 12:13 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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FYI, this from Geoffk on a concurrent thread:

"The CLP-340 is an excellent basic piano. It lacks some features that the HP-203 and HPi6 have (string resonance, 300+ tones, escapement), but it has a good basic piano sound. Some people prefer the bright Yamaha sound and light touch over the mellower Roland sound and heavier Roland touch. Personally, I prefer Rolands, however, you should try both."

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#1277753 - 09/30/09 05:25 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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Yes. To me Yamahas sound more like Yamaha acoustics (which they're sampled from) and have a bright clear sound. Rolands are sampled from Steinways (probably) and sound fuller and less bright out of the box. You can argue with this characterization, but they obviously sound different from each other, and I think it's pretty clear that the Yamaha is the brighter of the two.

As has been noted, many people prefer the sound of the Yamahas, and they work especially well in ensembles, where they cut through very well. On the other hand, several Jazz pianists have said here that the Roland sound works well for them in solo work.

I don't know why anybody would take offense at this. Nobody expects pianos (acoustic or digital) from different companies to all sound identical to one another.

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#1277837 - 09/30/09 09:57 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Marty,
I've OFTEN heard people say that Clavinovas are too bright.
I've also often heard people say that they're NOT.
Every listener has his/her own ear, so to each his own.


I doubt that this statement would rankle Marty in the least.

I think it's pretty clear that the irritation expressed here is with the statement: "the general consensus is....". General consensus here as expressed in posts is a pretty thin base. Relatively few members get involved in these kinds of qualitative statements and qualitative tone comparisons in the first place. Those who do get involved regularly make their qualitative statements and comparisons again and again and tend to express the same thing again and again. It makes sense that if they express their opinion often, that opinion should remain consistent, but it probably implies to the reader a consistency among members' opinions that simply isn't there.

If you polled the membership on what digital they own, it would hardly be a surprise if the most owned brand is Yamaha. However, that would not imply a general consensus either.

Personally, I like the term I once read here in a post by FogVilleLad, that the typical Yamaha digital sound is dry compared to the Roland sound. I agree with that. It's plain and unadorned, doesn't have the rounded liquid glow of the tricked-up Roland sound, and has good individual note definition for self-critical practice. I'm sure that's the general consensus here. grin

To the OP

It's hardly a surprise that your digital punctuates your sonic environment in a completely different way from your acoustic. It would be a big surprise if it didn't.
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#1277905 - 09/30/09 11:50 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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My acoustic is a mellow upright piano, and my teacher has a Yamaha grand.

As it is my first days with the digital, i am not quite used to the sound or touch. Although I picked the mellow option it still sounds a little too bright for me.


Any comments welcome. [/quote]

Everybody knows Yamaha's are the brightest!

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#1279162 - 10/02/09 06:53 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: emenelton]
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I am not sure if I should regret for my choice of Yamaha CLP 340.

It sounds too sharp, i have to play very quietly and that's not fun.. I havent had a chance to try with head phones yet, does it sound better with a decent quality headphones?
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#1279232 - 10/02/09 09:51 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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pocoloco, I am assuming that you play-tested a selection of different brands and models before making your decision, yes?

If so, may I ask why you did not notice the bright sound?

Kind regards,
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#1279264 - 10/02/09 10:50 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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Does it have a touch adjustment? From Lite to Medium to Heavy. Also please consider that speakers do have a break in period of anywhere up to 100 hours or more. I'm not saying that the sound will be completely different after that break in period, but it probably will warm up somewhat.
I've also found that I had to find the 'sweet spot' on my volume control of my DP. Meaning that at a certain personal playing touch and weight, coupled with a master volume adjustment, the piano tone sounds nice, with the master volume set higher than that, the sound became strident and aggressive.

A common thing to do with a new DP is to turn the volume up too much. Try finding a happy medium with your master volume control and get used to it. Possibly start a little on the quiet side. When you find yourself banging too hard to listen at moderate levels, inch your master volume up a little.

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#1279297 - 10/02/09 11:34 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Kawai James]
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I have tried but I didn't notice probably I didn't put the volume high up when i tested and possibly got distracted/confused with many other brands/models etc.

Anyway as the emenelton says, maybe I am not meant to play loud, and need to find a compromise where it sounds better and loud enough.
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#1279433 - 10/02/09 02:54 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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pocoloco, I went thru the same process that you're experiencing now. Top quality 'phones will definitely improve your listening experience, because they'll let you hear the full quality of the included sounds. (The on-board speakers are too small for good reproduction of the bass register.) I use and recommend Sennheiser's HD 600's. Those 'phones are said to have a "flat" response. In this context, flat means that no frequency range is exaggerated. They're also expensive. Their predecessor, the HD 580's, used to appear on eBay. Worth looking for.

Ultimately I think that you'll want to combine 'phones with a software piano, which would be stored on your computer. (I got a year out of the 'phones before buying the first software piano.) I'm playing Galaxy II, which has three very tweakable pianos: Hamburg Steinway D, Bosendorfer Imperial, and Bluthner baby grand. The latter has what propianist described as a tone befitting a tired old thing that you might come across in a second hand shop. (The Bluthner was probably included because another German firm, Native Instruments, included an old Steingraber vertical in its Akoustic Piano package. IMO the package is not particularly well done.)

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#1279593 - 10/02/09 07:50 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: FogVilleLad]
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I have a CLP370 and I also find it quite bright. I´m perfectly happy with it´s sound though.
Of course you can change the settings from bright or normal to normal-mellow or fully mellow altogether. That would take the sharp edges off the bright sound, but you probably already knew that.
I also once heard from an experienced DP seller that there was some sort of test. The different participants, after playing a DP for a few months, all preferred the DP that they had played over that period. I don´t know where that test was done, when and on what scale, but it´s something to think about.
Just the same, if you really have serious doubts about this DP, try if you can bring it back or change it for something else. Don´t delay too much either, if you´re sure about the way you feel. That will only decrease your chances of getting a complete refund. I don´t think a break-in period of the speakers will solve it. Maybe they also have a Roland, which I believe is not as bright/sharp. Also don´t blame yourself too much. It´s very hard to decide in a store which instrument you like best (in my experience at least).
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#1279877 - 10/03/09 10:14 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pieper]
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Thank you for your comments pieper. I especially loved the don't blame yourself too much part smile
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#1280160 - 10/03/09 07:00 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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The sound of Yamaha is rich and bright......I own a CLP 320 PE and a love it. It's a sober and no-nonsense digital piano with very nice specifications and a great appearence!

I played in a musicstore the clp's and compared the sound with an accoustic upright yamaha and guess what.......the same sound.

Yamaha sampled the sound of the grand piano Yamaha CFIII3 and put it in all clp 300 series.....so you get the sound and touch of a Yamaha-grand (115.500 euro) for 1500 euro!!!

CLP 300 series...very nice digital piano's, you can play the very subtle pianissimo and expressive fortissimo.......

I play Schumann, Bach, jazz etc. on these dp.....and I love every minute playing....

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#1280167 - 10/03/09 07:19 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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Originally Posted By: Marty Flinn
Bobo wrote, "The general concensus here is that clavinovas are bright."
I am in and out of the digital-synths & keyboards forum on a daily basis and have never seen this commented on once that I can remember. To state there is a concensus is unsuportable........I have shown the Clavinvos to hundreds and hundreds of players and never heard this comment.


So it seems that the concensus here indeed is....that clavinovas are bright.


Edited by bobbo (10/03/09 07:21 PM)

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#1280644 - 10/04/09 04:43 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: bobbo]
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"So it seems that the concensus here indeed is....that clavinovas are bright."

Agree, I don't know anything about Yamaha CLP sound, but in a month that I've been reading these forums I've heard the same thing several times. It's not something good or bad about the sound quality, but at least it 'IS'.

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#1280657 - 10/04/09 05:02 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: MacMacMac]
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I have recently bought a CLP-340 but I can't follow what you are discussing here. Would anyone attempt to define "bright"? Do you mean that trebles sounds relatively louder than basses, or is it more a sound quality that you refer to?

An impression I have is that trebles (and bass too, actually) have a much higher dynamic range than my old vertical piano that I used to play before. This is probably all well (old and average vertical piano have limited dynamic range) but it takes some time to adapt.

Another impression is that if I take a chord with both hands, bass seems to dominate and I have to work to make the treble stands out, which could be the opposite of "bright", if you refer to the relative loudness of basses and trebles.

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#1280773 - 10/04/09 08:22 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: PLV]
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"but in a month that I've been reading these forums I've heard the same thing several times."

Other than this thread, can someone direct me to posts on this digital forum, in the last month, that specifically refer to the tone of Yamaha CLP Clavinovas as being bright? I have never seen one.
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#1280812 - 10/04/09 09:39 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Marty,

Does it matter? You've seen several now. And almost all of them -- except the OP -- have not been criticisms. The Yamaha sound is the Yamaha sound. Maybe it's not as bright as it once was, maybe the digitals give you a little more control to adjust it, but the overall sound still tends bright. For most people who buy and shop Yamaha, that's not a problem, and many prefer it -- especially in a DP.

It's all relative anyway, and when people refer to Yamaha DPs as bright, they're most likely comparing them to Roland and Kawai. Compared to those pianos, they are bright. Again, not a criticism. Personally, I'm glad they don't all sound the same, and that people have options.

I don't know if there have been specific threads on their brightness before this one. But I have seen it mentioned on other threads -- multiple times -- when compared to other DPs. Just browse some Roland threads, and you'll see it. It's not all dissing either. What's wrong with observing that Roland and Yamaha are different or helping prospective buyers -- like me -- understand why they're different?

To shift back to acoustics. Personally, my own tastes have changed, and our C3 is brighter than I'd like (it's 9 years old). But it's certainly not harsh, nor is it anywhere near the brightest I've ever heard. That honor goes to a Kapteyn & Sons (Wilh. Steinberg IQ28 with dealer specifications). Horrific sound!

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#1280908 - 10/05/09 01:56 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Instead of proving what the previous consensus on CLP 340's sound quality, why don't we establish a brand new consensus here?

It has been a week already since I have my CLP 340, I am sort of getting used to it, maybe my original comment on treble being harsh was a bit too harsh. I think the volume is not meant to be 100% up, probably it sound the best around 75%. What do you think?

Still haven't had a chance to test with headphones.



Edited by pocoloco (10/05/09 02:08 AM)
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#1280917 - 10/05/09 02:19 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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Wow! I keep the volume on my p155 at about 75% which sounds good and is plenty loud with the on board speakers. It's too loud for me with headphones. Just for fun tomorrow, I'll try it louder, though I don't think I'll be able to go the full 100%. I know it would definitely hurt my ears eek.
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#1280962 - 10/05/09 04:23 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pocoloco]
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I believe that this is the standard response. After a while people get used to the sound of their DPs and come to like it a lot. I've read surpisingly few posts of DP owners that are unhappy with their instruments. Unhapiness may start only if after a while they get the chance to play on another piano - real or digital.

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#1280986 - 10/05/09 05:14 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: emenelton]
Grigou Offline
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Originally Posted By: emenelton

A common thing to do with a new DP is to turn the volume up too much. Try finding a happy medium with your master volume control and get used to it. Possibly start a little on the quiet side. When you find yourself banging too hard to listen at moderate levels, inch your master volume up a little.


We would consider too, that it could be the opposite : to produce the same intensity of sound, you have to hit the keys harder with a low master volume than with a high master volume. So, you could reach the 3d or even the 4th level of sample, wich are more brilliant, in particular for the 4th (more upper harmonics). A higher master volume will decrease the level of sample to produce the same intensity of sound, i.e. the 2th instead of the 3d (or even instead of the 4th), or 1th instead of 3d...

I think it does exist one ideal position of the master volume to produce the most realistic sound as possible. Not many, just only one (maybe one for the speakers, and another one for the headset). And I think that this position is rather high, perhaps the higher one (depending of the power of the DP). Don't forget that when you hit a lot of keys very hard on a real piano, you produce very much sound... A DP should try to reproduce this as close as possible, so the master volume should be high. In consequence, you'll have to hit the keys softer, to finally obtain a more realistic mellow tune produced by the first levels of sampling.


Edited by Grigou (10/05/09 05:15 AM)

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#1281244 - 10/05/09 02:04 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Grigou]
Marty Flinn Offline
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I'll take one more pass at this then shut up.
I've got no problem with someone who plays and listens to a new Yamaha CLP340 and offers the observation/opinion that to their ear it sounds "bright" in comparison to other brands and models they have played or heard.

In this thread there have been nine posters who have claimed Clavinova "brightness." I would be curious to know, of those, how many have personally played or heard a new Yamaha CLP340? None posters on one thread on the Piano World Digital Forum does not a "general consensus" make. If you have a personal observation on tone on a given instrument, make it. Stand by it. But don't attempt to strengthen it by invoking a universe of opinion that isn't supported in fact.

I am not out to change opinion. I am out to keep potential customers judgements and opinions open until they have experienced the product for themselves. We all hear music (pianos) differently. Two customers on the same piano on the same day often describe the sound 180 degrees apart.

The comments I objected to were in the form of:
"It is the general consensus", "I have heard before", indicating second hand information or over generalization. If this type of comment disuades even one single shopper from at least auditioning a new Yamaha Clavinova for themselves, this is a disservice to the shopper and Yamaha.
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#1281497 - 10/05/09 11:28 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Originally Posted By: Marty Flinn
If this type of comment disuades even one single shopper from at least auditioning a new Yamaha Clavinova for themselves, this is a disservice to the shopper and Yamaha.


I think most of the regular posters here always encourage people to try out DPs for themselves before they buy them--precisely because they *do* sound and feel different. And you can't know which one you'll prefer until you hear for yourself. I played Yamahas and Rolands many times before deciding that I personally preferred the Roland sound and touch. But I've read many threads where other people did the same thing and fell in love with the Yamaha instead.

Anyway, the point is that nobody is really disparaging Yamaha here or telling people not to try them. If you hate bright sounding pianos, than you probably won't like Yamaha--but playing it is the way to discover that.

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#1281558 - 10/06/09 03:39 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Geoffk]
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I have bought my CLP-340 few weeks ago. After reading this forum I got inspired to to play around with the settings and now I have found a setting that sounds optimal to me. I share it with you in case someone wants to try it:

- "GRAND PIANO 1" voice
- HARD touch sensitivity
- ROOM reverb
- NORMAL/MELLOW brilliance (both are lit)

This works perfectly for me and actually improved my playing experience with the CLP-340 compared to the default settings.
You can save any configuration as default setup by using the backup function (check the owner's guide).

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#1281609 - 10/06/09 07:48 AM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Originally Posted By: Marty Flinn

The comments I objected to were in the form of:
"It is the general consensus", "I have heard before", indicating second hand information or over generalization. If this type of comment disuades even one single shopper from at least auditioning a new Yamaha Clavinova for themselves, this is a disservice to the shopper and Yamaha.


Marty I assume you have an issue with my statement, heres my rebuttal...

Firsty, On this thread I haven't encountered a single criticism or downputting of yamaha. I personally think yamahas are top notch pianos too, I like them and i would always encourage DP shoppers to try out all the brands. I prefer Roland, it doesn't mean I'm on a Jihad against Yamaha.

I've been on these forums for years also researching suitable DPs for myself and I am certainly under the impression that many on this forum find Yamahas are brighter compared to say, the rolands.

Excluding the opinions on this thread alone...
Just a quick search using the search facility on this forum.....heres the first 6 results out of a hundred or so..the search is only limited to 2 years and so the opinions on whether yamahas are bright is going to go far beyond this tiny sample...

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/680411/Searchpage/1/Main/54252/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20Roland%20HP%20204%20(compared%20to.html#Post680411
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/658274/Searchpage/1/Main/51414/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20FP-7,%20HP-203,%20HP-207:%20same.html#Post658274
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/694759/Searchpage/2/Main/56113/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20Preparing%20to%20shop%20for%20DP%20-.html#Post694759
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/694856/Searchpage/2/Main/56123/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20Between%20Yamaha%20or%20Roland%20D.html#Post694856
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/699558/Searchpage/2/Main/56704/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20Buying%20top%20DP%20for%20the%20futu.html#Post699558
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/669634/Searchpage/1/Main/52838/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20CP33%20Grand%20Piano%20Sound.html#Post669634
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/658274/Searchpage/1/Main/51414/Words/bright/Search/true/Re:%20FP-7,%20HP-203,%20HP-207:%20same.html#Post658274

I hope this sample plus the other 100 or so and the many more in the previous years are enough evidence for me to stand by my claim that there is a opinion by many here, that yamahas are bright, and if posters talk about quality of tone, the yamahas will be described as brighter than other brands. If this is a recurring statement on this forum, then that could be described as a concensus here. The opinions of posters on this thread strengthen the case.

I am very suprised you have not until now, not once, ever, read that posters have stated that yamahas are bright. I have read it many times, as others have stated on this thread too...plus there is now plenty to read if you search for "bright" in the DP forums, they will almost certainly refer to the yamaha sound.

I have played the entire yamaha dp range as my nearest yamaha dealer happens to stock only yamaha, everything from the console uprights to the CFIIIs and from yamaha keyboards to digigrands. they have quite literally, everything yamaha under the sun. I've had dealers also say that yamahas are brighter and people might prefer them for jazz or pop music, from dealers that stock both yamahas and other DP brands, and acoustics. Have I played the CLP340? ..you bet! When i try out the acoustic grands such as the CFIIIs and the S series etc, I don't find them bright at all, the sound is quite unlike that of the DPs imho.


Edited by bobbo (10/06/09 07:49 AM)

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#1281896 - 10/06/09 05:16 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: bobbo]
Marty Flinn Offline
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Bobbo,
"You have done your homework, defended yourself, and made a compelling case." That was my first blush to your post. Then I decided to read through your evidence citations. Oops?!
1. Refers to Yamaha acoustic pianos. This discussion is about CLP340 specifically and Clavinovas generally. -1
2. Refers to a response from the CLP280, an older model. But, yes indeed a Clavinova. + One point!
3. Refers to the tone in DPs in the $800-$1200 range. Certainly not a Clavinova. -1
4. Refers to a 200 series older model, not a CLP340, but a Clavinova +1
5. Refers to a CP33 model. Not a Clavinova. -1
6. Refers to a CP33 model and in the context of voice comparisons within the instrument relative to each other. -1
7. Is a duplicate of #2. 0

If the other 93 results for "bright" are as inconclusive as your first seven, it hardly seems a complete conclusion.

For the most part I believe the bulk of the rap of Yamaha being "bright" on this forum is directed to their acoustic pianos. Yes, I read this all the time. I honestly had not heard or read what I believed to be a "consensus of opinion" on Clavinovas in general and certainly not in the CLP340 specifically. I see your broader more global scope to include all Yamaha products from keyboards to concert grands.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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#1281919 - 10/06/09 06:06 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: Marty Flinn]
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How about this? We won't claim that everyone thinks they're bright, but you won't claim that everyone thinks they're not. Don't forget, you were reporting at second hand, too, and claiming that you had never, ever heard (or read) a single person say the CLP340 was bright. You weren't just giving your own opinion. Well, now you have heard it.

My question: I've only played Clavinovas, but we've considered trying to find the P155. Of course, I'd expect the Clavinova to sound (and feel) better -- especially through the speakers -- but is the sound really that different? Are they sampled from different pianos? Just curious.

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#1281928 - 10/06/09 06:24 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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Originally Posted By: pilgrimjoel
My question: I've only played Clavinovas, but we've considered trying to find the P155. Of course, I'd expect the Clavinova to sound (and feel) better -- especially through the speakers -- but is the sound really that different? Are they sampled from different pianos? Just curious.


Consider that even if they were sampled from the exact same piano (or indeed, use the exact same samples) that other design factors in the pianos (amps, speakers, speaker location, cabinet design, other acoustic processing (e.g. reverb)) could have a significant effect on the sound.

What's funny is that while I too personally generally find Yamaha acoustics to be "brighter" than others, that their Clavinovas don't elicit the same feeling (i.e. if you were to ask me if Clavinovas are "bright", I'd likely respond with "hmmm, I'm not sure"). And like Marty, I don't hear it being chanted as a mantra anywhere nearly as much as with their acoustics.

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#1281939 - 10/06/09 06:44 PM Re: CLP-340 , does it sound a little too "bright"? [Re: pilgrimjoel]
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Originally Posted By: pilgrimjoel
...My question: I've only played Clavinovas, but we've considered trying to find the P155. Of course, I'd expect the Clavinova to sound (and feel) better -- especially through the speakers -- but is the sound really that different? Are they sampled from different pianos? Just curious.


I'm definitely no expert - but I just hooked up my P155 to a 60W dual speaker setup, and I've been having some fun experimenting with speaker placement, how much/little of the P155's onboard sound speakers are used, the tone parameter (bright to mellow), etc. etc.. I can say this - the difference between the built-in speakers alone on the P155 compared to using some decent external speakers is absolutely night and day.

I'm currently trying to create a fairly homogeneous "cloud" of clear, well-defined sound from the speakers in the area behind and slightly above the keyboard (since I don't think I want to hear a stereo separation effect from speaker A and speaker B - that seems unnatural?), and it sounds great. For now, I like the tone somewhere in the Normal-Mellow to Mellow range, leaning towards Mellow. Can't decide if Hard or Medium "action" setting is best for me yet - it's at Medium now. I can see how the P155 could be described as "bright" - but in my case there are so many variables at work in this setup. One thing seems clear to me - you get a lot for the money with the P155 if you can do without the fancier cabinetry, some of the voices, and the slightly-nicer keyboard action.

Anyways, I hope I didn't digress too much from this thread. Cheers!

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