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#1277705 - 09/30/09 01:46 AM Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite?
Ganddalf Offline
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I want to add one or two of Chopin's Mazurkas to my repertoire, but I find it difficult to decide which one(s) to choose. I have the sheet music, and have looked at quite a few of them, but haven't heard many of them performed. I'm open to any suggestion.

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#1277707 - 09/30/09 01:51 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Ganddalf]
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If you are planning on studying and playing some of them, why would my favourite interest you? I suggest you start playing through some of them to find one - or more - that you like.

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#1277710 - 09/30/09 02:11 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: BruceD]
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I love them all, but my favourite is the Mazurka in B minor Op.33 No.4...
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#1277724 - 09/30/09 03:12 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Op 68 No. 2 is mine smile
http://everynote.com/goods.pic/Cho_PP_MAz_Op68_2.gif

I remember the guy who took my piano exam started dancing a Mazurka in order to show me what it meant.

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#1277725 - 09/30/09 03:20 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: AceStar]
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There are recorded performances of many of the Mazurkas at:

http://pianosociety.com/cms/index.php?section=127

I too like all of them, but it needs a better pianist than I am to bring out the musicality in some of them.

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#1277729 - 09/30/09 03:44 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: kevinb]
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A minor Op 17 No 4 - for now wink

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#1277766 - 09/30/09 06:42 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Laura M]
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You can listen to almost all of them on Youtube and decide which YOU like.

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#1277770 - 09/30/09 07:01 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
my favourite is the Mazurka in B minor Op.33 No.4...


Me too!!

My second favorite would have to be Op. 17 No. 2 in e.
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#1277774 - 09/30/09 07:20 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: survivordan]
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I'm with Laura... 17.4
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#1277858 - 09/30/09 10:54 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Peyton]
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My favorites are 30/4 and 33/2. There's a night-and-day difference between them:





I completely understand why some people would question the value and purpose of knowing other people's favorites in a given category, and yet there's certainly precedent for it. It's a standard part of people's profiles in any online community to cite likes and dislikes generally and even favorite books, films, etc.

Consumer reviews are an integral part of sites such as Amazon, Epinions and the like. Netflix even goes to the extra length of specifying the predictability that a given reviewer's tastes match one's own, obviously taking for granted that the opinion of someone who shares one's own interests and predilections would be given greater weight.

Even if Piano World can often fall short of its potential for feeling like a "community," I really am interested in knowing the favorites and least-liked whatever of folks here whose opinions I value and whom I consider to have discerning judgment (and that most certainly includes you, BruceD! smile ).

Steven
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#1277872 - 09/30/09 11:11 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: sotto voce]
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There's a difference between being curious about what someone else likes and choosing a piece to play on that basis.

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#1277875 - 09/30/09 11:15 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
There's a difference between being curious about what someone else likes and choosing a piece to play on that basis.

I think that's obvious, and therefore probably obvious to the OP as well.

There are around 60 mazurkas, after all. Gaining familiarity with all of them in order to make an thoroughly informed choice would be a long and arduous process; even listening to them once-through back-to-back makes them a blur.

I think it's logical, therefore, to glean what others have a preference for and perhaps start seriously auditioning them there. It's not like the OP asked anybody to choose a piece for him.

Steven
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#1277881 - 09/30/09 11:23 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
There's a difference between being curious about what someone else likes and choosing a piece to play on that basis.

I think that's obvious, and therefore probably obvious to the OP as well.


Perhaps, but PW gets countless requests just like this one and they usually are in effect a request for someone else to choose a piece for them. That was the point of Bruce's comment which he's made many times for the same reason. Someone doesn't have to listen to all 60 Mazurkas to choose one they like.


Edited by pianoloverus (09/30/09 11:25 AM)

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#1277885 - 09/30/09 11:26 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: pianoloverus]
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I think your own point is to agree with Bruce and disagree with me. You take every opportunity to do both.

Steven
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#1277889 - 09/30/09 11:32 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: pianoloverus]
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In defense of the original question - my somewhat truculent, unsympathetic response notwithstanding - he did say that he had read through several and was having difficulty deciding which one(s) to add to his repertoire. In further defense, he did not ask "which one should I play?"

I don't feel that his request was totally pointless, therefore, and perhaps his own decision will eventually be based on direction given him by others, direction that may help him understand on what others find musically interesting.

Sometimes it's better to ignore the curmudgeons in our midst.

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#1277914 - 09/30/09 11:57 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: BruceD]
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C major, Op 24 No 2 - First I ever studied, and it holds a special place in my musical world. Love the abrupt transition from C major to Ab7/Db.
E minor, Op 41 No 2 - So beautiful.
B minor, Op 33 No 4 - I find the alternating high and low registers very interesting.
C# minor, Op 63 No 3 - Another one I love playing. Those interweaving staggered voices in the end are quite magical.

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#1277924 - 09/30/09 12:09 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: sotto voce]
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I love hearing people's favorites, least favorites etc. I just enjoy the whole extended conversation and hope it goes on forever.

That said, might I suggest getting Eleanor Baillie's guide to Chopin. You can go through the Mazurka's, see which ones might be playable for you (if all of them congratulations :>), and the ones that are of interest you can check out on YouTube, as PL suggests.

Hope that helps. If nothing else, it's a damn enjoyable way to spend some time.

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#1277927 - 09/30/09 12:15 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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Here are a couple to read through:

1) op. 17 #4 in a minor: Already mentioned a few times, and for good reason. Not very difficult, but poignant and complex. The four measures that open and close the piece are ambiguous, resigned, almost mystical. And the major middle section just feels good.

2) op. 59 #1 in a minor: I almost literally fell in love with this piece when I played the first six measures of the A major section (m. 37-42). Go ahead: play them right now!

3) op. 59 #2 in Ab major: I hear this more as a solemn andante than the allegretto as marked. Whatever it is, the main theme is surely one of Chopin's most noble statements. And I can't find words to do justice to the ending.

Have fun!

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#1277933 - 09/30/09 12:21 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: beet31425]
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Oh, and my own two cents on the usefulness of the post, for whatever it's worth:

Surely "What are your favorites" is a decent stand-in for "I don't really know this literature yet; can you please give me some pointers".

I'm thinking of getting to know the nine rather daunting symphonies of Alfred Schnittke. If I had a friend who loved them all, and I asked him where I might start, I would be pretty dismayed if he responded "What does my opinion matter? It's you who are going to listen to them. Just listen to them all and form your own ideas"!! smile

-Jason


Edited by beet31425 (09/30/09 12:24 PM)

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#1278003 - 09/30/09 01:57 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: beet31425]
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Some that I performed at the 'yard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-CqRxbXmk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yccmVPuSVSs

I've always been partial to Op. 56 #3, but they're all wonderful--miniature psychological tone poems of the highest order.
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#1278008 - 09/30/09 02:01 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: beet31425]
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Thanks everyone!

As Jason pinted out, I don't know Chopin's Mazurkas well, and my I posed my question to get an idea about where to start. Op.17 no.4 seems to be very popular. I agree that it is a beautiful piece, but I'm afraid it takes a master pianist to make real justice to this Mazurka. Maybe Op.59 No.2...
Anyhow I'll listen to some of the other ones before I make my desicion.

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#1278012 - 09/30/09 02:07 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
op. 59 #2 in Ab major

Ah how could I forget this one! Add it to my list. One of my favorite performances is from Argerich's "Legendary 1965 Recording". While I feel her tone is a bit harsh at some points (some of those forte base octaves) I think this is as good as it gets. The way she treats that moment where the main theme returns with the piano treble accompaniment is masterful, and always brings a smile to my face. And I love that she takes her time with the little flurry of notes in those 7 measures at the end. So wonderful!

Legendary indeed.

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#1278024 - 09/30/09 02:23 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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The most impressive of the lot, and
the most technically difficult, is
the A min. op. post., aka: mazurka
"no. 51," the one with the r.h.
triplets and the middle section in
octaves. This is only 3 pgs. long,
and doesn't look like anything special
at first glance, but this is one of
the most difficult pieces in the
piano repetoire. You can't get
away with just playing the
notes on this one. This
will teach you rubato, because it
won't sound right played in
time. If you want a big challenge,
forget all the others. This is
the one to take a stab at if you
want to really improve your playing.



Edited by Gyro (09/30/09 02:24 PM)

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#1278045 - 09/30/09 02:54 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Gyro]
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Mazurka No. 51 in a minor isn't posthumous. Better known as "Emile Gaillard" (after the dedicatee), it was first published in 1841.

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#1278105 - 09/30/09 04:58 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Ganddalf]
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No-one's mentioned op.50 no.3 yet, so I will. It's a very interesting piece with lots of contrast.
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#1278695 - 10/01/09 01:45 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Ganddalf]
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My favorite is B minor, Op 33 No. 4. It's the only one I can get thur fairly well, except I die on the leaps in the key change to B section ("la
so
fa,

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#1278841 - 10/01/09 06:13 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: riley80]
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It seems the numbering system is somewhat arbitrary after you leave the opus numbers, the a minor 'Emile Gaillard' is #53 in my edition (Henle) and also has been given the identifier 'KK IIb Nr 5' if that helps. It is certainly an impressive piece. I had never taken a look at it before.

There are so many mazurkas and they are so varied in style and mood that it seems very difficult to pick one or two that are my 'favorites'. But you could also look at all four of the Op 30, and all the Op 7 are great.
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#1278908 - 10/01/09 08:23 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Schubertian]
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#1278974 - 10/01/09 09:54 PM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: Synapse]
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b-flat minor op. 24 no. 4

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#1279750 - 10/03/09 02:40 AM Re: Which Chopin Mazurka is your favourite? [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
No-one's mentioned op.50 no.3 yet, so I will. It's a very interesting piece with lots of contrast.

That is my favorite.
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