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#1280106 - 10/03/09 05:36 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Oh, you made a funny smile Just to clarify, though, I wasn't referring to small, boutique piano companies like Bechstein. However, every piano I have played since I encountered these pianos has been a disappointment.
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#1280115 - 10/03/09 05:50 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Just to clarify, though, I wasn't referring to small, boutique piano companies like Bechstein. However, every piano I have played since I encountered these pianos has been a disappointment.


So basically you weren't referring to Bechstein, Bluthner, Fazioli, Steingraeber, Boesendorfer, Sauter, Mason, Shigeru??


Edited by pianoloverus (10/03/09 05:56 PM)

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#1280179 - 10/03/09 07:41 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: pianoloverus]
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If the 'ultimate' piano will be played by the 'ultimate' pianist at the 'ultimate' concerthall I'll come and become the 'ultimate' guest.

Giving the 'ultimate' report later about it to the 'ultimate' Piano Forum in the world....

Something tells me that I think was just right on the last one....

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#1280292 - 10/04/09 12:51 AM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Norbert]
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Has anyone else listened to the tracks on the Stuart and Sons website? I was blown away. I think this may be the ultimate piano. I'm just glad they're not available here because I'd probably sell my house to get one.

And, just to comment a bit about 'classical repertoire' and how it doesn't go outside the range of 88 notes: for g@d sakes people, hasn't anyone ever considered that pianos might be played in a non classical setting? Free improv? Jazz? Grrr...

I think Wayne Stuart should be congratulated on his achievements, not criticized for his innovations.
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#1280413 - 10/04/09 08:39 AM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Well said newguyonforum! Congratulations Wayne Stuart on your achievements!




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#1280420 - 10/04/09 09:12 AM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Terry5758]
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I wish the Stuart website would have sound samples from classical composers besides Bach. This would make sound comparisons for listeners easier. From what I've heard so far, the piano does have a very beautiful voice.

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#1280444 - 10/04/09 10:04 AM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Just to clarify, though, I wasn't referring to small, boutique piano companies like Bechstein. However, every piano I have played since I encountered these pianos has been a disappointment.


So basically you weren't referring to Bechstein, Bluthner, Fazioli, Steingraeber, Boesendorfer, Sauter, Mason, Shigeru??


.... or Seiler, Grotrian, Steinway, Forster, and heck, maybe even Walter.

Who does that leave? I guess Kawai and Yamaha.
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#1280618 - 10/04/09 04:04 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Piano*Dad]
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For those of us not tied quite so tightly to the written score, I would LOVE to have more notes above and below the usual 88 to use and play with. There's a whole world outside prewritten music!
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#1280649 - 10/04/09 04:51 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Originally Posted By: newguyonforum


And, just to comment a bit about 'classical repertoire' and how it doesn't go outside the range of 88 notes: for g@d sakes people, hasn't anyone ever considered that pianos might be played in a non classical setting? Free improv? Jazz? Grrr...


The issue, I think, isn't whether or not classical repertoire goes beyond 88 notes, but rather how useful the notes may be, given the already large range of the standard piano, and the limitations in the sound of the notes that go beyond the standard range.

For example A0 on a standard piano has a frequency of 27.5 Hz. That's already down to the point where sound is mostly felt and not heard. More importantly, even on a 9-ft piano, the lowest couple of notes really don't sound that good (at least to my ear). At A0, there is very little fundamental produced, and I can only assume that that problem would get worse for even lower notes.

On the high end, sustain at C8 is very short indeed, and at 4186 Hz, most people will only hear 2 overtones max, and people over 50, probably just one. A few more notes above C8 may have a pleasing tinkle, but I can't imagine them to be musically important.

Consider also that even if one did find some occasional use for them, you would hardly ever be near a piano that had those notes available.

I'll stick with my previous post--I think the extra notes really are not very useful. No "Grrr" from me, just some practicality.

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#1280736 - 10/04/09 07:10 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Roy123]
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You make some good points Roy.
On the Stuart website, Wayne mentions that there are 102 notes available.
Is that correct, with our hearing the way it is that there are only 102 notes in the equal temperament scale?

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#1282442 - 10/07/09 12:57 PM Re: The Ultimate Piano (™) [Re: Oz Marcus]
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I'm going to Australia this coming spring but sadly I expect I'll have neither the necessary funds nor the room in my suitcase to bring one back.

They are certainly impressive though judging by the recordings on the website. It's particularly the clarity and sustain that strike me. The tone is pleasing certainly and the appearance bold yet elegant in each of the many pictures.

The recordings have a slightly odd stereo image I think - a bit wider than I'd expect which may mean the sense of clarity is a bit artificial. Nonetheless, while I'd hesitate to dismiss as worthless Germany, Austria and America's output quite as quickly as some in this thread (!!!), I would love to spend some time with a Stuart & Sons.
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