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#1280942 - 10/05/09 03:36 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Ragtime Clown]
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You probably notice that if you choose to incorporate a stride based left hand accompaniment your tempo variable (speeding up slowing down) is limited as for your SOLO piano arrangement of that BALLAD in that stride is a very regimented stylistically. Playing with a rhythm section ,no problem!
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#1281009 - 10/05/09 06:05 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Elssa]
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Elssa, very nice arrangement! I enjoyed listening to that. You play very well.

I recorded an arrangement of Misty but I don't use fake books, I did all by ear.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7324709
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#1281054 - 10/05/09 08:28 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Studio Joe]
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I also recorded a version of Misty which is on youtube from Tim Richards' book Exploring Jazz Piano Vol 2. It's been able to take them kind of arrangements and applying them to other standards which I find proper hard.
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#1281059 - 10/05/09 08:39 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: flat13sharp11]
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Originally Posted By: flat13sharp11
I also recorded a version of Misty which is on youtube from Tim Richards' book Exploring Jazz Piano Vol 2.


Please post the link. I would love to hear it. I have Richards Volume 1 book.

Thanks,

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#1281184 - 10/05/09 12:25 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Swingin' Barb]
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Loc: Decatur, Texas Elssa, very nice arrangement! I enjoyed listening to that. You play very well.

Thanks, Joe! I had a lot of fun with it. (BTW, my instructional video teaches all of these same unique runs and fills, stylings, etc. that I used in "Misty" here: www.learnpianowithelssa.com . The techniques are very versatile and can be applied to any style of song).

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I recorded an arrangement of Misty but I don't use fake books, I did all by ear.

Great arrangement! That's impressive that you played that all by ear, too - not exactly an easy song for doing that. I really enjoy the slow stride style with "Misty" as well, though sometimes just use arpeggiated left-hand chords for variation.

I'd like to hear your "Misty", too, Flat13#11 smile

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#1281202 - 10/05/09 01:06 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Elssa]
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Elssa, I have just bookmarked your site. I will visit it later this evening and hope to purchase your video!

Great Video demo.

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#1281249 - 10/05/09 02:07 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Ragtime Clown]
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http://www.youtube.com/user/jazz2511
This guy got alot of great arrs on youtube to borrow from.

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#1281288 - 10/05/09 03:05 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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Just checked out your links, Elssa. LOVELY! And you have such beautiful hands. They match the music. Brava.
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#1281415 - 10/05/09 07:22 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Gyro]
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Originally Posted By: Gyro
Nikalette, sit down at the piano,
and just dig in with both hands, and all
ten fingers, improvising purely
by ear. Anything and everything
goes here. Forget all you've ever
read in music theory books, as that's so
academic and hidebound, that it will
paralyze you when you try to improvise,
for fear of doing something that
a college prof. of jazz piano
will say is incorrect.



This is all very true. Words of wisdom. As was said in the movie "Wolverine", "we're going to create you, but to do so, first we'll have to destroy you".
Many students initially come to me with a solid library of set patterns, licks, voicings, etc., that predetermine 99% of their improvisations. Which are not improvisations by any means, but practiced, muscular motions, and are not at all in touch with their own musical flow, which has never been developed.
If the music only happens when the fingers touch the keys, there will never be an internal flow to simply join when the keys enter the fray.
To develop this internal stream of music, which will lead to spontaneous, instant composition (true improvisation), one must UNLEARN manual improvisation, and learn to do it from the mind and ear.
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#1281420 - 10/05/09 07:57 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: VirtuosicOne]
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Originally Posted By: VirtuosicOne
Many students initially come to me with a solid library of set patterns, licks, voicings, etc., that predetermine 99% of their improvisations. Which are not improvisations by any means, but practiced, muscular motions, and are not at all in touch with their own musical flow, which has never been developed.

Just wondering, what do you do to get your students in touch with their "musical flow?"
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#1281456 - 10/05/09 09:43 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: eweiss]
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#1281515 - 10/06/09 12:54 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Piano Girl RMG]
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Just checked out your links, Elssa. LOVELY!


Thanks, Robin! I'm so thrilled to hear that you liked my recordings. grin

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#1281518 - 10/06/09 12:58 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Elssa]
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Elssa, there is a lot of great stuff in the lesson/video's I purchased last night. I look forward to sitting down to doing some work with it.

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#1281543 - 10/06/09 03:10 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Ragtime Clown]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEoqDXNpu5w

I've only been playing properly for about 6 months, but I find this tune very hard!
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#1281548 - 10/06/09 03:18 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: eweiss]
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Originally Posted By: eweiss
Originally Posted By: VirtuosicOne
Many students initially come to me with a solid library of set patterns, licks, voicings, etc., that predetermine 99% of their improvisations. Which are not improvisations by any means, but practiced, muscular motions, and are not at all in touch with their own musical flow, which has never been developed.

Just wondering, what do you do to get your students in touch with their "musical flow?"


Walk down the corridors of practice rooms at most any college noted for their jazz curriculum and you'll hear the solos and licks of Charlie Parker, Clifford Brown, Lester Young, John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, Randy Brecker, etc., being practiced ad nauseum.
based on this type of practice, what you wind up with when you improvise are the set patterns from practiced passages. Embellishment without substance. 100 pounds of condiments and potatos for every ounce of meat.
This is jazz, but it's not improvisation. It's someone else's improvisation, much like Classical pianists will practice passages relentlessly of music that remains unchanged.
TYPISTS, as you once referred to those that only play predetermined music, and I couldn't agree more.
The idea is to unlearn these habits, this muscular memorization, and put the music in the mind. If there is no music in the mind, only there when the hands meet the keys, the idea is to upload it in such a way as to engrain it and amalgamate it into your ownm individual style.
Improvisation is begun with a very limited finite set of rules that break down chords, melody, and improv. to the atomic level, where every note played can be completely controlled by the mind and is not merely manual. Each note, whether a single note or a chord, is heard before it is played, not after.
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#1281587 - 10/06/09 06:31 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: flat13sharp11]
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Originally Posted By: flat13sharp11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEoqDXNpu5w

I've only been playing properly for about 6 months, but I find this tune very hard!

You've been playing only 6 months? That is simply amazing. You have a very nice touch. Thank you for posting that.

I sent you a PM.

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#1281716 - 10/06/09 11:32 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Swingin' Barb]
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Thank you very much for the kind comment, much appreciated. I was a but apprehensive about posting it on piano forum!!!

I was taught when I was 7 but it was classical and I soon ran out of interest. I've been playing drums for 10 years nearly which is still my main instrument and I started back on piano this year. I had a head start with my prior teaching all those years ago. It's true that you never really forget.



Edited by flat13sharp11 (10/06/09 11:38 AM)
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#1281728 - 10/06/09 11:44 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: flat13sharp11]
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Originally Posted By: flat13sharp11

I was taught when I was 7 but it was classical and I soon ran out of interest.
I had a head start with my prior teaching all those years ago. It's true that you never really forget.

I too had a few years of classical lessons when I was young. Then lost interest. You are correct in saying that it does come back! grin
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#1281779 - 10/06/09 01:21 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Swingin' Barb]
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That was really good, Flat13Sharp11! thumb Nice chords used, and it sounds like you've got them down pat already. I started playing around the same age as you, played mostly classical for 7-8 years, then started learning electric organ as well, and that's when the real fun/creativity part of playing started for me. My organ teacher, and later a great jazz teacher, had me learn all the advanced chords from the fake books in different inversions and recognize the common chord progressions, and ever since then my playing has been very chord oriented... Makes it easier to make up your own arrangements, I think, and once you learn the chords/voicings, you never forget them and can use them for any song.

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#1282094 - 10/07/09 12:04 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: Elssa]
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Heres a concept I learned many years ago from a reknown jazz pianist /teacher as for how one could approach "Misty" utilizing what I call the counterpoint block chordal substitution similar to George Shearing but not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlgRDSuGkUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxKLiFNk2RE

Kind of off the cuff as in unrehearsed but what the heck! grin


Edited by pianobroker (10/07/09 12:53 AM)
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#1283459 - 10/09/09 03:36 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: pianobroker]
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I'm attempting to do another example of this concept in that someone emailed me and said I didn't explain it well enough. grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCgxPnV_VlA


Edited by pianobroker (10/09/09 05:04 AM)
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#1284418 - 10/10/09 03:38 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: pianobroker]
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I have uploaded another video playing Just Friends. I love Flat 9 chords and theres a A7 altered chord towards the end of the piece that Bill Evans plays in Blue in Green which explains what I'm trying to do in finding voicings that work in other songs.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQszvAg2iP4

I get well lost in the middle and forget where I am!! I hate recording, I always collapse.


Edited by flat13sharp11 (10/10/09 03:39 PM)
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#1284436 - 10/10/09 04:21 PM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: flat13sharp11]
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What do you have to do to get the videos on to the first page of you tube, is it popularity?!
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#1284608 - 10/11/09 12:01 AM Re: Making a piano arrangement from a Fake Book Lead Sheet [Re: pianobroker]
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Originally Posted By: pianobroker
I'm attempting to do another example of this concept in that someone emailed me and said I didn't explain it well enough. grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCgxPnV_VlA


PB, that piano needs some tuning badly grin

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