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#1281385 - 10/05/09 06:16 PM New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;)
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I don't know if you have any advice but...I am a new piano buyer looking to spend roughly $3,500 on an upright. A piano dealer has quoted me $3,000 for either a new Young Chang or a George steck/Hobart Cable/Falcone (last 3 made by same company I think?). He said I could also go with a used Ymaha but I think that will sound too bright for my girlfriend who I am buying the piano for. I know I haven't supplied much useful ino like model of piano, etc. But are those brands all garbage? I mean I know they are all bottom line, but are they acceptable? Would it be better to get a better used piano? If so are there any you could reccomend that are rich, deep sounding and not too bright (and good for classical, melodic rock)?

Thanks for your time, and hope this question isn't so ignorant as to be annoying.


Edited by nstaff (10/05/09 06:17 PM)

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#1281433 - 10/05/09 08:26 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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You would need to give the exact model numbers so someone could comment on them. A surprise piano without them trying it first is a bad idea which has come up many times.

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#1281448 - 10/05/09 09:04 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: asd123321]
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#1281450 - 10/05/09 09:09 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: asd123321]
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You are looking for a beginner piano, and all that you mentioned will fit the bill. Any piano can be too bright, so listen to it before buying. Remember it will get brighter over time. Sometimes Yamaha's can be voiced down for mellow tone. Look out for broken butt spring cords on used Yammies from the 90's.
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#1281521 - 10/06/09 01:24 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Bob]
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The Cable-Falcone-Steck pianos are the same except for furniture styles. They are okay for beginners, but the price quoted is much too high. These are closeout pianos being sold by many large dealers at prices under 2k for the largest (48"). If the piano shown you is a shorter console, the price should be closer to $1500. You can find links for these pianos on eBay or by googling the brand names.

Young Chang has three different grades of pianos and different models within each grade. Without the exact model, it's impossible to give any guidance.
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#1281591 - 10/06/09 06:35 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: turandot]
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(also posted in your DP thread)

Surprising your GF with a special gift when you know exactly what she wants, is great, but you don't know exactly what she wants. You could easily end up spending $3,000 + on a nice digital or used acoustic that is less than her preference.

While intending to demonstrate the depth of your love, the cost of the momentary "surprise" can easily lead to negative relationship stress. Prove to her that you respect her ability to choose what's best, above your own.

Either tell her before the holidays so she has a piano to play by the time the holidays come around, or (I would do the following) give her a piano jewelry box ( like this one) with a gift card inside that commits $3,000 towards a piano purchase.

Her joy of searching and playing many different piano's far outweighs any momentary surprise.
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#1281675 - 10/06/09 10:24 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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Originally Posted By: nstaff
I think that will sound too bright for my girlfriend who I am buying the piano for.


I wholeheartedly agree with the other responses: you should not choose a piano for another person. Tone and touch is a very personal choice, and the variety of what's out there is huge.

A wonderful part of your gift could be giving your time and patience to spend a few weekends visiting piano stores and trying out a whole bunch of them to find the right fit.

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#1281677 - 10/06/09 10:27 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Larry B]
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Ditto to all the above. Especially if your girlfriend is a pianist, she will likely have opinions about the sound and action she prefers. I'm guessing she will be just as delighted by your accompanying her on piano shopping expeditions as she would be with the purchase itself. heart
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#1281691 - 10/06/09 10:52 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Monica K.]
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agree..

a gift certificate (cash or check) wrapped in piano paper or something like that


Edited by apple* (10/06/09 10:52 AM)
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#1281820 - 10/06/09 02:30 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: apple*]
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Ditto from another woman. Stick the note,gift certificate, cash, check that is wrapped in piano paper in a musical bag. Have a wonderful piano recording playing in the background. Then present to her and follow through with going with her to the different stores to enjoy and play the piano of her choice. What a wonderful gift. You are on the right track.

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#1281828 - 10/06/09 02:45 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Roxy]
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Applause, nstaff--- what a guy. You belong on this thread in the Pianist Corner, or at least, you might like to see it:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1279486/1.html

I think one of those piano music boxes, if you can find one. That would be a nice, and very memorable, way to present your gift. She lifts the lid to hear it play, and there your gift cert. is. She might also like the book, Piano Girl by our own Robin Goldsby, who posts on the Non-Classical forum here. She'll laugh, she'll cry, and your card would make a swell bookmark. I know I'm always looking for gift certificates to mark my place when I'm reading.

The other guys are right, make her pick out her own piano.


Edited by Jeff Clef (10/06/09 02:47 PM)
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#1281899 - 10/06/09 05:23 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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As said by others, a musical instrument is a personnel thing. However, I'm not much with giving checks to the one I love either. I am new to the piano as well as this forum (first post) and purchased a George Steck grand. I found in my shopping that though many piano's are from the same company, brand, model, they still have their own feel and sound. They will also sound different in another room. Perhaps you may want to take her to a shop (as something to do) that has several piano's (such as those you mentioned) and let her play them. Pay attention for the one that she likes and buy it later if you want to surprise her, or on the spot doesn't hurt either. Hey, I've been married for 27 years, so these things work. Good Luck.
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#1281951 - 10/06/09 07:09 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: misha4282]
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I think it's a really beautiful idea. As the others have mentioned, if she already plays piano then she probably has a preference, however if she's like I was until a few weeks ago, and has been desperate for a piano since she was a child but doesn't yet play then I think she'll delighted with whatever she gets. She'll get used to the one she's given, I know I would have taken anything, prior to looking around to buy when I didn't know all the options available. The suggestion someone made about taking her shopping to just look at pianos and take note of what she likes is a great idea and surprise her later. All I know is, if I had a boyfriend a few years back that surprised me with a piano, it would have been the greatest most thoughtful gift I could have imagined and would have loved it no matter what one it was. I think the main thing is what is her current experience with pianos, if none, then less risky in surprising her with one.
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#1282038 - 10/06/09 10:08 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Oz_Leikela]
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I suspect his GF has some experience since his thread in the DP section stated: "I am buying my girlfriend a DP for Christmas. Her favorite acoustic is a Bösendorfer (much preferred over a Steinway)."
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#1282042 - 10/06/09 10:11 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: misha4282]
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Giving cash, checks or gift certificates can seem cold, as if it is a scapegoat for the often-arduous effort involved in finding just the right gift. That said, how it's perceived is all in the presentation. Here's another thought on making it special:

Find out what her favorite piano pieces or composers are. If not directly from her, maybe her parents or siblings know. Or find some of her old piano books, paying special attention to those that are tattered, falling apart, written on with beat-up corners from being bent one too many times. Buy a new replacement book, books or individual pieces. Now do a google map search for all the acoustic and digital piano stores near you. Print the map out along with the names, addresses and phone numbers. Put the print-outs in an envelope with a note or card from you pledging the $3000 towards the purchase of a piano. I would steer clear of gift certificates as that locks you into one store. Cash and checks have a tendency to get deposited and used to pay bills. Wrap the music and envelope in a box such that the first thing she sees are the books and the last thing is the envelope.
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#1282049 - 10/06/09 10:25 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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Yeah I know . . . I need to stop posting in this thread (sorry), but I have one question that really needs to be asked considering your talking about a significant expense (for most people anyway).

Are you sure you shouldn't be scaling down the Christmas present and saving this money for use towards an engagement ring?

If you're in any way thinking that you or she is not ready to get married, you may want to rethink the $3,000 piano idea.
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#1282450 - 10/07/09 01:08 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: PlatonicSolid]
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I think it may be difficult to sneak a piano in the house and put it under the christmas tree. If her favorite is a Bösendorfer (much preferred over a Steinway) as mentioned earlier, better add at least one zero on the 3000.00
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#1282570 - 10/07/09 04:38 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: misha4282]
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Well, if the OP isn't sure whether he wants to get a digital or acoustic, then the "coupon" hidden in a piano trinket idea is sounding even better. He may not have a strong preference between the two, but odds are the girlfriend would.
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#1282609 - 10/07/09 06:12 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Monica K.]
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"Giving cash, checks or gift certificates can seem cold..."

Each to his own. I find it quite otherwise--- it's always just what I wanted, always the right size, always the right color, goes with everything, and no embarrassing hassles when you try to exchange it.

And I never tell the giver, "Oh--- you shouldn't have!"

You may not have heard the old saying: "Never say anything bad about money--- it might hear you."


Edited by Jeff Clef (10/07/09 06:13 PM)
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#1289770 - 10/19/09 10:53 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Sorry it took me so long to respond....definitely NOT digital (she would kill me). I understand about it being a bad idea to buy a piano for someone...what to do, what to do wink

Thanks to all for your input

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#1289879 - 10/19/09 01:48 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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Originally Posted By: nstaff
I don't know if you have any advice but...I am a new piano buyer looking to spend roughly $3,500 on an upright. A piano dealer has quoted me $3,000 for either a new Young Chang or a George steck/Hobart Cable/Falcone (last 3 made by same company I think?). He said I could also go with a used Ymaha but I think that will sound too bright for my girlfriend who I am buying the piano for.


What I have done in similar gift situations (not knowing exactly what the giftee prefers) is to present a "gift certificate" (in this case for a piano). You could then explain that you have seen some, then take her to look at the ones you have seen and are willing to purchase. She can then decide where to go from there.

Hop
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#1289933 - 10/19/09 03:09 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: Hop]
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My suggestion would be to ask your GF's help for a "friend" who wants to buy a piano. Tell her your "friend's" budget and let her look. See what she thinks would be acceptable. Ask her if she were buying for herself, what would she buy? Tell her the friend has a talented son, daughter, whatever - who plays what she plays - and that the friend wants to surprise that person. That way you find out what she might choose.

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#1290232 - 10/19/09 11:15 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: kluurs]
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All in all it's a very romantic sweet thought, but I still think the whole thing is a really bad idea for all the reasons that have been listed . . . and a few that haven't.
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#1290239 - 10/19/09 11:30 PM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: nstaff]
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Originally Posted By: nstaff
Sorry it took me so long to respond....definitely NOT digital (she would kill me). I understand about it being a bad idea to buy a piano for someone...what to do, what to do wink

Thanks to all for your input


you're on the right track!
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#1291055 - 10/21/09 06:22 AM Re: New Ignorant piano buyer (sucker in the making? ) ;) [Re: apple*]
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Try searching your local area for free or really low cost pianos "for sale by owner". Or place a "low cost piano wanted" add. Heck, if you're in the CT-USA area I have a Baldwin upright you can have for free. It hasn't been tuned in about 5 years, so it will need several tunings before it will hold a tune. Estimate 4 tunings within the first 6 months at $150 per tuning.
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