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#1283216 - 10/08/09 05:55 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: mr_roberts_z]
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There is no such thing as an easy Beethoven sonata.
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#1283352 - 10/08/09 10:12 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: mr_roberts_z]
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I am over 40 and play all Beethoven's piano sonatas. The greatest challenge comes with the "una chorda" octaves in final movement of the Waldstein along with the trill sections of his number 32 variations.

The E minor 27 is not without challenges (as with ALL Beethoven's sonatas, incl the sonatinas), particularly I find in the more difficult final movement. Regards the bars you inquire about, first you need to master the technique for performance WITHOUT sustaining pedal. Then I would advice that you pedal only for enhancement SPARINGLY. The fact you are concerned about pedaling suggests you are using it as a "crutch". If so, the work is beyond your current technique and you are advised to revisit it when you are able.
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1283467 - 10/09/09 04:17 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: PartyPianist]
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..... you play op106? ..... And his number 32 variations, you mean the Diabelli variations I assume? And you really find the Op90 second movement harder than the first one?

I'm sorry if I seem really sarcastic, its just that when people claim they can play the op106 sonata, I become very suspicious. A youtube video will do laugh!


Edited by vvanrij (10/09/09 04:24 AM)
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1283482 - 10/09/09 04:54 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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I play all his sonata's including the "hammerclavier" Opus 106. Perhaps I don't approach the great fugue as fast as Glenn Gould and I have a few problems after the "sempre dolce". For interpretation I am up with Sokolov, for instance. You make a donation & I make you a video vvanrij.

But back to the topic. I just performed the 1st movt of opus 90 now. The hard bars are 55-64 & 198-207. Once you have mastered those, you are well on the way with this work. You should aim for a 150 crochets +/- tempo in my opinion. Beware of bars 133-143. It is easy to lose Beethoven's "musical concept" there. If the tempo drops much under 150 crochets bars 113-133 seem lifeless. The runs at bars 29-31, 33-34 etc are extremely challenging. You need to achieve a rhythmically balanced whilst "unwavering" forte. "2nd best" won't do. Here only a 1st rate performance will have impact.

There is my advice. Heed it as you will & good luck with perseverance.
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1283498 - 10/09/09 06:05 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: PartyPianist]
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Hi, how much will that donation be laugh (you'll have to dedicate the performance to me of course, Victor gewidmet). I find the bars 113 till 131 extremely difficult, because the logic in the right hands sequence is extremely hard (seems almost non existent) and you have to play it softly so that the LH shine's trough with the melody. Cheers
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1283525 - 10/09/09 07:46 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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Keep an eye on the sf's in the left hand score vvanrij. The right hand is an exercise of tonal development. It is important to ensure there are no "breaks" in continuity - even minor. Do not treat it as a straightforward crescendo development - rather a pulsating harmonic development. I imply an "accelerando" in my development of this section. Hence the importance of 133-143 where I counter with a gradual "ritenuto". The sections 55-64 etc are by far the most technically difficult parts of this movement. They don't sound particularly glamorous, but the left hand needs to be played at a uniform piano with the right hand octaves accentuating the harmonic development. If you can play that perfectly.....I WANT TO HEAR IT!!!!! Forget Op 106!

On that note, why do you have such a lust for the big works? Would you not want to hear the most immaculate performance of Beethoven's 1st F minor sonata in place of a mediocre performance of the big B flat?
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1283541 - 10/09/09 08:13 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: PartyPianist]
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Well mine is a different story. I used to play alot of so so piano with popular pieces and bad techniques, never really practicing alot (I did this from age 12 till 20 or something like that). But then I discovered the music of Beethoven, which just really hits me, and its music I really understand.

So then I bought some sheet music, and off I went learning the Pathetique, Opus 90, Pastorale etc. only to find out that I really wasn't capable of playing these advanced pieces. So I ended up now playing the pathetique about 70% of how I want it to sound in the end, of opus 90 I can play the 2nd movement pretty well (but still not errorless), and the second movement of the pastorale.

And I started going back now (my goal in the end is to be able to play all 32 sonatas, I don't care if I will never get it to full speed with the most difficult pieces, I still want to play them. Thats why I'm very jealous of you). So I went off learning Op49's, Op14/1, Op79 (I still think this is a rather hard piece, harder than the op14's) and am now learning Op2/1. I love all of his Sonatas very very much, so I want to take my time to really get to know them and play them well, but I am still unpatient, so I tend to move on to a new piece, before perfecting the old ones (I still play them daily, but almost never errorless).

Its not that I have a lust for the big works, I just thought that the hammerklavier was as good as impossible to play for the normal piano players. I mean I do have some talent, but I'm afraid I lost out alot in the years (12-20) by not moving on, and I just hope I can catch up or something.
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1283543 - 10/09/09 08:23 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: mr_roberts_z]
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Ok, sorry Op. 90 is the 27 Sonata, and op, 27 Nr. 1&2 esp: Nr. 2 is the famous " Mondschein " Sonata. Is that ok now.
I will provide a link to my recordings, first Pathetique.
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#1283561 - 10/09/09 08:44 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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Thank you for being humble vvanrij. I suspected as much, by the way!

I would be inclined to approach Beethoven's Grand Sonata Op 26 "Andante con Variazioni" as it is offers something for the beginner and the virtuoso. However you must try to MASTER Op2 no 1. The Adagio is deceptively challenging and the Minuet is a masterpiece that is extremely easy to perform badly.

By way of my background, I was an extremely passionate pianist who managed to perform a castration of Tchaikovsky's B flat minor piano concerto at age 16. At age 35 I was an average untrained pianist who "believed" he could play the Appassionatata. I then took lessons with Bransby Byrne and we started performance training with that work. I made a performance of the final movement at 60 crochets (100 for the presto finale). Now I play the same movement at 140 crochets and the presto at 220. It took 5 years of hell (1 3/4 hours a day technical exercises, scales and arpeggios....before I start to work on pieces!!!!!). Then everything "clicked". And now there is nothing I can't play. Correction - there is plenty I can't pl ay, but nothing is beyond my mastery.

You need 4 elements to become a great pianist - talent, passion and dedication. If any of those three are lacking you will probably not make it. The fourth is LUCK. You need a good teacher. Without direction, there is no path.
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1283674 - 10/09/09 11:08 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Ludwig23]
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Sorry, but you do not understand what I mean. First of all my Name is "Chief" Boss at an Merchant Ship, same like "Kapitän" but Chief is the Boss of the Engine. Amazing he play that piano too.
Chief
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#1283686 - 10/09/09 11:29 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: PartyPianist]
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Originally Posted By: PartyPianist
You need 4 elements to become a great pianist - talent, passion and dedication. If any of those three are lacking you will probably not make it. The fourth is LUCK. You need a good teacher. Without direction, there is no path.


I find your posts very inspiring... At least you're not one of those people who think 18 year-olds can play a Beethoven sonata. cry

Anyways, With regards to your aforementioned post, I think I have the first three elements... But I lack the 4th element... A teacher! Whoa! I have a teacher but we only meet for at most twice a year (like we live more than 600 miles apart.) That's why for the most part, I'm teaching myself. Just today, I've finished reading the whole of the 2nd movement. I just hope I can polish it sooner than I expect. I'm eager to work on a new Beethoven sonata (as with Victor here, I also want to play all Beethoven sonatas. hehe)

Originally Posted By: PartyPianist
The fact you are concerned about pedaling suggests you are using it as a "crutch". If so, the work is beyond your current technique and you are advised to revisit it when you are able.


Withreards to this concern, I don't think I'm using the pedals as a "crutch". I think I can play the whole sonata pretty well without a pedal (according to my standards, by the way. hehe) and I just want to use the pedal to improve the music I'm making... not to make my playing easier... crazy

Anyways, congratulations! I think playing Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas is a big achievement! How I wish I could also do so in the future. whistle

Good day to you sir! laugh
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#1284443 - 10/10/09 04:39 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Ludwig23]
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Sorry, but I never told that I can play all the 32 Beethoven Sonatas. Esp.the last once I never can understand. Hammerklavier. I agree whith Glenn Gould, he also can not understand Beethovens last Sonatas, Hammerklavier and so.
There are 3 Sonatas like same as top hits. Mondschein, Pahthetique, and Appasionata.. All other one are not so well known.
Chief
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#1284460 - 10/10/09 05:07 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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Wow you are really confusing me here chief. Hammerklavier is op106, his last three ones are 109-110 and 111. Nobody said that you could play the 32 sonata's, partypianist said that he could. Furthermore your second post in this thread was: "I am an Beethoven Specialist." I find it kind of upsetting that a 'beethoven specialist' doesn't understand Beethoven's hammerklavier and late sonatas. Also tophits would definitely include the Waldstein.
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1284497 - 10/10/09 06:52 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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Ok. When I am am talking, I am an an Beethoven specialist, that does not mean that I can play all his sonatas. I play Beethoven in an selected manner, and I think very good. I can make an good Interpration because I am an German, and Beethoven was this too, he lives in Wienna but he was born in Bonn. But talking is nothing I will make a new record of the Pathetique at esnips than you can see whats going on.
Chief
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#1284675 - 10/11/09 03:43 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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I can type this again and again, but I urge you to read my previous post! Also I think you being german has nothing to do with a better interpretation (the VAN Beethoven's were originally from Belgium, but my Belgium friend doesn't have a 'better' interpretation). I would love to hear your version of the Pathetique smile.
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1285175 - 10/11/09 11:18 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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I don't get it. Why does chiefci have to blow his own horn all the time? And yeah, come to think of it, he's even discouraging young players from studying Beethoven.

Let us hear your "famed" interpretation of the Pathetique. We be the judge.

Geez. cry
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#1285645 - 10/12/09 06:06 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Ludwig23]
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http://www.clavio.org/
First listen here Pathetique Part 1 in Music Playlist chief.
Next I will record the first movevement compleate, than we talking angain.
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#1285810 - 10/13/09 12:16 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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Originally Posted By: Chiefci
http://www.clavio.org/
First listen here Pathetique Part 1 in Music Playlist chief.
Next I will record the first movevement compleate, than we talking angain.


that was very special grin really made my day.
Enjoy your muscic chiefci, someone's gotta do it.

Think I'll do some practice...
(it's no.16 on the playlist if you wanna listen)
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#1285899 - 10/13/09 05:18 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Canonie]
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Wow that beginning was really slow, and seemed without a steady pulse (the note durations don't add up). Also you play like extremely rubato, a lot of pauses, this is very uncommon for beethoven music (rubato was more for the romantic period, not the classical).

I can play that better than you

I'm sorry but how dare you say you are better than Barenboim :|
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1286298 - 10/13/09 05:03 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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No, I do not say that I can better play than Barenboim.
I pay my style and that is what I feel. This have nothing to do with good or bad. Yes I feel the beginning very slow. Beethoven said "Grave" wat does that mean.
This is my interpration and very special, either you like it or not. Wait for the Part 2.
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#1286301 - 10/13/09 05:09 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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To quote you from the previous page of this thread:

"Sorry, big excuse what I am talking about Barenboim.
Please forgive me but one thing. I play the Pathetique better than him"

To me in that recording it sounds like you learned that the same day you recorded it. You made plenty of mistakes, pauses (searching for the keys), no dynamics, no right note durations. I'm sorry if this sounds very harsh, but you kind of deserved after saying you play this better than Barenboim.


Edited by vvanrij (10/13/09 05:11 PM)
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1286307 - 10/13/09 05:22 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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Just to add to this:

Quote:
You made plenty of mistakes, pauses (searching for the keys), no dynamics, no right note durations.


Also, completely over-pedaled. Incorrectly timed all over the place. Most of the notes were more wrong than right. Also, a Beethoven "expert" would never play only the Grave.

Have we been trolled?

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#1286521 - 10/14/09 02:43 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: mr_roberts_z]
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Originally Posted By: mr_roberts_z
Have we been trolled?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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#1286904 - 10/14/09 02:07 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Janus K. Sachs]
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I like this dicussion. There are lot of piano players all Beethoven specialist, but chief is very special or not?
Big dicussion is always good , otherwise I sleep in when sombody play this Sonata. I follow my line.
You see same trolls over here?
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#1287017 - 10/14/09 05:06 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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This guy is just to weird for me...
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1287058 - 10/14/09 05:52 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Victor25]
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Your recording was horrible! Too many wrong notes; over-pedaled; Distasteful interpretation of Beethoven.

And here you are telling me that 18 year-olds can't play Beethoven op 90, which is way up the difficulty ladder compared to the Pathetique.

Your words don't match up to your actions. You may have fooled some people, but you can't fool all of us at the same time chief.

Good day to you sir!
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#1287074 - 10/14/09 06:12 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Ludwig23]
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Roll over Beethoven. frown

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#1287207 - 10/14/09 10:50 PM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: sotto voce]
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"The proof of the pudding is in the eating". I will make some recordings at some point. I will try and include one or a number of Beethoven's sonatas.

It is more likely I will record Haydn's grand C Minor Sonata, Albeniz El Peurto from Iberia, Mozart's D major variations, Liszt's Tarantella Di Bravura, Bach's G major prelude/fugue from Well Tempered Claviar book 2 and Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Sonata.

Jan Briane Astom - everyone NEEDS coaching. Find a closer teacher! I play the Pathetique very fast - possibly faster than Barenboim or Scnabel [and I have problems with it as I tried to master it before I was ready - but I am overcoming them]. Ensuring a strict "pp" for the 'allegro di molto e con brio' as a base, provides the springboard for the dynamism required for a true "con brio". A "p" base is too loud. Apply this rule to the openning movt of the 5th C minor sonata as well. Back to Op 13 - treat the phrasing inflection from brs 146 (movt 1) with great care. Also the mordents must be clearly separated to allow the requested slur.

Good luck if you take this one on;)
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You play it & I'll hum it, but currently rehearsing:

Bach WTC book 2 no 15 G major, no 20 A minor, no 22 Bb Minor
Mozart A minor Sonata K310
Mendelssohn Op 35 preludes and fuges
Busoni Carmen Fantasy
Rachmaninov Bb prelude OP 23 no 2
Lyapunov Humoreske Op 34
and others

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#1287280 - 10/15/09 02:14 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: Chiefci]
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Originally Posted By: Chiefci
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First listen here Pathetique Part 1 in Music Playlist chief.
Next I will record the first movevement compleate, than we talking angain.


I'm not ashamed of saying that that thing is positively the worst Beethoven I have ever heard. And to cap it all off? A horribly out-of-tune piano. Go toot your horn somewhere else.
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#1287292 - 10/15/09 03:17 AM Re: Advice for Beethoven's Piano Sonata no 27 op 90 [Re: PartyPianist]
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And are you next in line to follow chiefci, or are you going to put up a decent version of the pathetique? And I disagree on the pp thing, just play it p, so it is written, so it shall be played. Builds up the tention alot more too imo, I have no idea why a pp would make it more with 'spirit', and beethoven didn't either.


Edited by Victor25 (10/15/09 03:18 AM)
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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