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#1272431 - 09/22/09 01:18 AM From Casio CDP-100 to Kawai CN42 or Roland HP207 or others?
Tony Lau Offline
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Registered: 04/16/09
Posts: 65
I am an adult beginner piano student living in Canada. Since I started taking lesson, I realized that even though the Casio I practice on has hammer action, the action doesn't seem right when compared with the real piano at the teacher's place. The Casio action feels heavier and slower by comparison. The pedal is also pretty bad ...

I am thinking of upgrading to a better digital piano. I am more inclined toward Roland and Kawai. The Kawai CA series is quite expensive and hard to find in the Vancouver area and therefore I tried the Roland HP207 first. Its action was very nice and it also sounded good. However Roland Canada only offers a 1 year warranty for such an expensive instrument (dealer quoted "discounted" price of $4395 Canadian). It is much shorter than the 5 year offered by others, so I hesitated.

Kawai also offers the CN series, which is more available (and interestingly, from a dealer different from the one carrying the CA series ... strange). I tried the CN22, the lowest model in the series, and found it quite playable, though the action was less realistic than the Roland, and was a bit light. I cannot judge the sound because I tried it at a special sale event at a college gymnasium while other pianos were playing. I asked for a quote on its bigger brother CN42, and was told it sells for CDN$2200.

I know it is not fair to compare two pianos with such a big difference in price, but given that I am a beginner, should I put a lot of money on the best instrument, or start out with something less expensive and upgrade later when I improve? Should I be concerned with Roland's less than generous (compared to others) warranty?

I would also like to hear from anyone who owns or has tried the Kawai CNx2 series, especially the CN42, regarding your opinion on its action, its sound, among other things.

Thanks,
Tony


Edited by Tony Lau (09/22/09 01:28 AM)

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#1272460 - 09/22/09 03:41 AM Re: From Casio CDP-100 to Kawai CN42 or Roland HP207 or others? [Re: Tony Lau]
Tiana Offline
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Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 15
Loc: QLD Australia
If you are honestly deadly serious about learning and are in it for the long haul (so to speak!) then I would say go for the more expensive one. Although, have you tried looking for secondhand digital pianos? I got a 6 month old yamaha that was almost $5000AU for $800.

The cheaper one would be good as in the future bigger and better models will be available and if you are serious about playing then you may want to purchase a more recent model. As for the warranty, ring around and get quotes from other music shops (possibly in other cities or states) and tell the sales person the quotes you have been given. ASk them to beat it or match it, or they will lose your sale.

Sorry I'm not very much help in this area, good luck!

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#1272473 - 09/22/09 04:26 AM Re: From Casio CDP-100 to Kawai CN42 or Roland HP207 or others? [Re: Tiana]
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Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 757
Loc: Tokyo, Japan
I own a Roland HP-203 and HP-207. I love the 207, but I couldn't really justify buying a 2nd one for my city place, so I got a 203 instead. Whenever I play the 203, I miss voices and features I have on the 207. Even though it would have been another $1000 or so, I'm sorry I didn't just get two HP-207's.

Why get an instrument that you don't love? If you enjoy playing it and you plan to keep it for a while, (and you can afford it...), than you should spend the money to get what you really want.

I agree that Roland is being a little cheap with the warranty. You may be able to get an extended warranty very cheaply from the store if you're nervous. I was offered one, but didn't bother, as these instruments are very well-made and have been rock-solid reliable.

A used instrument can be a good deal, if it's a good-quality model and not too old. More than a few year's old is probably too much.

Finally, Kawai and Yamaha are also excellent. You should play a Yamaha CLP-340 also to see if you like it. But personally, I prefer Roland. I understand perfectly why you love the HP-207, as I do too.

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#1272597 - 09/22/09 10:22 AM Re: From Casio CDP-100 to Kawai CN42 or Roland HP207 or others? [Re: Geoffk]
Glenn Grafton Offline
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Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 190
Loc: Souderton PA
The CN22, 32 and 42 all share the same action. They differ in terms of number of voices; 17, 36 & 309 if my memory serves me. The size and number of speakers improves from the CN22 to the CN32 and the amps in the CN42 have more output.

The major difference between the CN and CA Kawai series is the full length wooden key AWA pro action.
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#1285830 - 10/13/09 01:27 AM Re: From Casio CDP-100 to Kawai CN42 or Roland HP207 or others? [Re: Glenn Grafton]
Tony Lau Offline
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Registered: 04/16/09
Posts: 65
Just wondering if anyone owns or has auditioned the Kawai CN42 and can share your experience of it with me. How does it compare with the smaller CN series, the CA series and pianos in the similar price range from Roland and Yamaha?

I was not able to find a CN42 to audition in Vancouver. There are two dealers that carry the CN series. The one that provided me with a quote decided to carry only the CN22 and CN32 because its main business is acoustics piano. The other one can order one if needed but again does not have one at the store, partly because the store manager (or owner?) believes most people will go for the CA51 given the small(?) price difference because of the better wooden action.

I am very curious about the piano sound of CN42. If it is good through the speakers, then I may consider getting it. The CA51 sounded a bit funny in the bass but I am not sure if it is the speaker system or the sound engine. As mentioned in another thread, I am also thinking about the CA63 but it is not yet available, the speaker system seems to be the same as the CA51, and I suspect it will be significantly more expensive than the CN42.

The promotion material mentioned a number of differences between CN22 and CN42 in terms of sound:
- Polyphony - 96 vs 192
- Harmonic Imaging vs Progressive Harmonic Imaging (both 88 key sampling)
- Damper effect and String Resonance on the CN42
- 16w vs 40w output power
- 16cm speaker vs 16cm+5cm speakers

Thanks!


Edited by Tony Lau (10/13/09 01:33 AM)

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