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I find your posts very inspiring... At least you're not one of those people who think 18 year-olds can play a Beethoven sonata.

Anyways, With regards to your aforementioned post, I think I have the first three elements... But I lack the 4th element... A teacher! Whoa! I have a teacher but we only meet for at most twice a year (like we live more than 600 miles apart.) That's why for the most part, I'm teaching myself. Just today, I've finished reading the whole of the 2nd movement. I just hope I can polish it sooner than I expect. I'm eager to work on a new Beethoven sonata (as with Victor here, I also want to play all Beethoven sonatas. hehe)



Withreards to this concern, I don't think I'm using the pedals as a "crutch". I think I can play the whole sonata pretty well without a pedal (according to my standards, by the way. hehe) and I just want to use the pedal to improve the music I'm making... not to make my playing easier...

Anyways, congratulations! I think playing Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas is a big achievement! How I wish I could also do so in the future.

Good day to you sir!

Sorry, but I never told that I can play all the 32 Beethoven Sonatas. Esp.the last once I never can understand. Hammerklavier. I agree whith Glenn Gould, he also can not understand Beethovens last Sonatas, Hammerklavier and so.
There are 3 Sonatas like same as top hits. Mondschein, Pahthetique, and Appasionata.. All other one are not so well known.
Chief

Wow you are really confusing me here chief. Hammerklavier is op106, his last three ones are 109-110 and 111. Nobody said that you could play the 32 sonata's, partypianist said that he could. Furthermore your second post in this thread was: "I am an Beethoven Specialist." I find it kind of upsetting that a 'beethoven specialist' doesn't understand Beethoven's hammerklavier and late sonatas. Also tophits would definitely include the Waldstein.

Ok. When I am am talking, I am an an Beethoven specialist, that does not mean that I can play all his sonatas. I play Beethoven in an selected manner, and I think very good. I can make an good Interpration because I am an German, and Beethoven was this too, he lives in Wienna but he was born in Bonn. But talking is nothing I will make a new record of the Pathetique at esnips than you can see whats going on.
Chief

I can type this again and again, but I urge you to read my previous post! Also I think you being german has nothing to do with a better interpretation (the VAN Beethoven's were originally from Belgium, but my Belgium friend doesn't have a 'better' interpretation). I would love to hear your version of the Pathetique .

I don't get it. Why does chiefci have to blow his own horn all the time? And yeah, come to think of it, he's even discouraging young players from studying Beethoven.

Let us hear your "famed" interpretation of the Pathetique. We be the judge.

Geez.

http://www.clavio.org/
First listen here Pathetique Part 1 in Music Playlist chief.
Next I will record the first movevement compleate, than we talking angain.

that was very special really made my day.
Enjoy your muscic chiefci, someone's gotta do it.

Think I'll do some practice...
(it's no.16 on the playlist if you wanna listen)

Wow that beginning was really slow, and seemed without a steady pulse (the note durations don't add up). Also you play like extremely rubato, a lot of pauses, this is very uncommon for beethoven music (rubato was more for the romantic period, not the classical).

I can play that better than you

I'm sorry but how dare you say you are better than Barenboim :|

No, I do not say that I can better play than Barenboim.
I pay my style and that is what I feel. This have nothing to do with good or bad. Yes I feel the beginning very slow. Beethoven said "Grave" wat does that mean.
This is my interpration and very special, either you like it or not. Wait for the Part 2.

To quote you from the previous page of this thread:

"Sorry, big excuse what I am talking about Barenboim.
Please forgive me but one thing. I play the Pathetique better than him"

To me in that recording it sounds like you learned that the same day you recorded it. You made plenty of mistakes, pauses (searching for the keys), no dynamics, no right note durations. I'm sorry if this sounds very harsh, but you kind of deserved after saying you play this better than Barenboim.

Just to add to this:



Also, completely over-pedaled. Incorrectly timed all over the place. Most of the notes were more wrong than right. Also, a Beethoven "expert" would never play only the Grave.

Have we been trolled?

Is that a rhetorical question?

I like this dicussion. There are lot of piano players all Beethoven specialist, but chief is very special or not?
Big dicussion is always good , otherwise I sleep in when sombody play this Sonata. I follow my line.
You see same trolls over here?

This guy is just to weird for me...

Your recording was horrible! Too many wrong notes; over-pedaled; Distasteful interpretation of Beethoven.

And here you are telling me that 18 year-olds can't play Beethoven op 90, which is way up the difficulty ladder compared to the Pathetique.

Your words don't match up to your actions. You may have fooled some people, but you can't fool all of us at the same time chief.

Good day to you sir!

Roll over Beethoven.

Steven

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating". I will make some recordings at some point. I will try and include one or a number of Beethoven's sonatas.

It is more likely I will record Haydn's grand C Minor Sonata, Albeniz El Peurto from Iberia, Mozart's D major variations, Liszt's Tarantella Di Bravura, Bach's G major prelude/fugue from Well Tempered Claviar book 2 and Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Sonata.

Jan Briane Astom - everyone NEEDS coaching. Find a closer teacher! I play the Pathetique very fast - possibly faster than Barenboim or Scnabel [and I have problems with it as I tried to master it before I was ready - but I am overcoming them]. Ensuring a strict "pp" for the 'allegro di molto e con brio' as a base, provides the springboard for the dynamism required for a true "con brio". A "p" base is too loud. Apply this rule to the openning movt of the 5th C minor sonata as well. Back to Op 13 - treat the phrasing inflection from brs 146 (movt 1) with great care. Also the mordents must be clearly separated to allow the requested slur.

Good luck if you take this one on;)

I'm not ashamed of saying that that thing is positively the worst Beethoven I have ever heard. And to cap it all off? A horribly out-of-tune piano. Go toot your horn somewhere else.

And are you next in line to follow chiefci, or are you going to put up a decent version of the pathetique? And I disagree on the pp thing, just play it p, so it is written, so it shall be played. Builds up the tention alot more too imo, I have no idea why a pp would make it more with 'spirit', and beethoven didn't either.