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#1302476 - 11/10/09 12:53 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: JimF]
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on page 130 introducing augmented triads. I don't remember learning "B" I remember a B sharp major with 2 sharps, but the "B" major triads show 2 flat signs. Did i miss something or is that a little bit confusing? I don't seem to be having any issues with playing anything or augmenting triads...

edit: I take that back, "Deep River" is giving me problems, but it is with the left hand arpeggios, not with the augmenting triads. I guess its good that I found this weakness now, give me something to work on.


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#1302479 - 11/10/09 01:04 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: bobjr]
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You didn't learn B-sharp Major. It's a non-standard key, enharmonic to C major. I think you mean B major, which has 5 sharps (#s: F, C, G, D, A).

I'm looking at the page now. BMaj: B, D#, F#

The augmented would be BAug: B, D#, Fx (F-double sharp, AKA, G).

While I don't see it on this page... maybe you're talking about B-flat major (bs: B, E)? That major chord would be: Bb, D, F. Is that maybe it?
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#1302755 - 11/10/09 01:50 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: ll]
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The previous lessons where B Sharp Major and G Minor, so whatever they have on 130 seems to be new. I guess it doesn't matter, they are just demonstrating the idea of how to augment. I don't remember them going over "A" either.

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#1302841 - 11/10/09 04:21 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: JimF]
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I have been watching this for a while with little contribution - i have been doing a lot of music theory - byt I am now back on with Alfreds. I an about to try, Rock My Soul, Brahms Lullaby, Night Song and Hokey Pokey. By the way - I am not using the all in one book - but the adult beginner series that seems to have a few less songs in it. Are all the four above in the longer one?
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#1302846 - 11/10/09 04:30 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: bobjr]
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Once more, there is NO B-sharp major (in standard theory) smile There is C Major, which is enharmonic to it.

They previous lessons were B-*flat* major, and its relative minor, g minor. And yes, 130 is only going over how to augment the major triads.

A major would be:

A, B, C#, D, E, F#, G#, A; AMaj: A-C#-E, AAug: A-C#-E#
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#1303128 - 11/11/09 08:50 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: ll]
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Hi all, I'm now working on polishing Light and Blue, though I still go back to fine-tune Guantanamera and Overture. I can't say I "passed" them until I get a pass from my teacher, who is currently on a break so I'm working on my own in the meantime. I just realized recently that I really like the genre called "Blues" and "Rags," so I'm having a lot of fun with "Light and Blue" laugh I have a question though, how do you time the long-short 8th notes in blues? I'm really confused and can't tell if my rhythm is right frown My teacher, unfortunately, doesn't seem familiar with the blues (gasp!) so she never plays the 8th notes long-short.


Edited by marimorimo (11/11/09 08:50 AM)
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#1303299 - 11/11/09 01:36 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: marimorimo]
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Originally Posted By: marimorimo
Hi all, I'm now working on polishing Light and Blue, though I still go back to fine-tune Guantanamera and Overture. I can't say I "passed" them until I get a pass from my teacher, who is currently on a break so I'm working on my own in the meantime. I just realized recently that I really like the genre called "Blues" and "Rags," so I'm having a lot of fun with "Light and Blue" laugh I have a question though, how do you time the long-short 8th notes in blues? I'm really confused and can't tell if my rhythm is right frown My teacher, unfortunately, doesn't seem familiar with the blues (gasp!) so she never plays the 8th notes long-short.


I'm jumping out of the woodwork to say that personally, I don't think the song sounds right at all unless you play the long-short 8th notes. Did you check the list of recordings in the first part of this thread to see if someone had recorded it?

Here's JohnFrank's recordng of light and blue: http://www.box.net/shared/nixnfx68sk from that first page.

I really liked Guantanemera also smile

-Nancy

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#1303300 - 11/11/09 01:37 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: marimorimo]
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Marimorimo it is hard to explain what blues is supposed to sound like, but i found this here maybe you can get an idea from it, she sounds good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNe88JC2LA

the more i listen to it is seems the left hand is playing a little bit too evenly, maybe not a great example but still sounds good for what it is.

here is better example from what looks to be some kind of a pro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbsJcTbP8Y&feature=related


Edited by bobjr (11/11/09 01:48 PM)

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#1303409 - 11/11/09 04:22 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: bobjr]
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Originally Posted By: bobjr
Marimorimo it is hard to explain what blues is supposed to sound like, but i found this here maybe you can get an idea from it, she sounds good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNe88JC2LA



Oh yeah, I know this lady, she is goooood, very talented lady from Hong Kong. Listen to a song she composed here:
Sha La La
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#1306048 - 11/15/09 12:59 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Waltz]
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I thought I would not like learning Hokey Pokey, but... you're right -- it's kind of fun! However, I don't have a teacher, and am stumped at how to play the last bar. At first I thought 8va] always meant one octave higher, and it seemed so awkward to play C, G (with left thumb) and then jump up an octave to play the last C... then I see on youtube people playing 8va an octave lower, but in the C,G,C --- do you only play only the final C one octave down, or the G and C both an octave down?.... Tell me.... what's it all about?
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#1306114 - 11/15/09 02:24 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Amygdala]
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hmmmm, when I played it I played the LH normal (no 8va), but the last note for the RH 8va, but it seems that you should play the C as written, and the G and last C 8va. I'm assuming the 8va notation only applies to notes directly above (or below) it!
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#1306125 - 11/15/09 02:37 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: BarbVA]
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Well, I've jumped on into book 2 while working on my Holiday collection as well. The first two songs are quite a disappointment after the excitement of the ending pieces in book 1. But I realize why they are going back to very basic songs, its because they are teaching us something new, but I'm bored with them already, and my family is tired of hearing them already.


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#1306155 - 11/15/09 04:21 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: MiM]
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hmmmm, when I played it I played the LH normal (no 8va), but the last note for the RH 8va, but it seems that you should play the C as written, and the G and last C 8va. I'm assuming the 8va notation only applies to notes directly above (or below) it!


Thanks - I think it sounds better with no left hand 8va (and just right hand 8va)-- but I had not known that 8va can mean an octave down (which makes sense, because I guess if it was an octave up they'd put the notes on the staff)

Those bottom notes (G and C 8va down) sound really low, but you must be right and that is what is intended... very nice of you to help out.
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#1306254 - 11/15/09 07:41 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Amygdala]
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nancy w & bobjr: Thanks for the tips and links! laugh I think I may be 'getting' it already, but I'm not really sure. I have another question, though. Would the beat still be even with a metronome?

Book 2 Update: I'm currently working on the Hungarian Rhapsody, I'm nearly 2/3 of the way there..
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#1306273 - 11/15/09 08:07 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: marimorimo]
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Hi guys,

I've been enjoying reading through parts of this thread for a while now, and thought I might as well introduce myself! smile

I'm a Belgian student turning 24 this month. I started playing the piano on my own and taking singing classes since the summer and my dream is to hopefully one day be able to become a sort of semi-nice jazz pianist and be able to compose some of my own songs and perform them - although I don't know how realistic that is... But it's okay to dream right? smile I'm focusing on the basics now and hopefully next spring start learning a little blues as a lead-up to jazz.

Right now I'm at about 1/3rd of book 2 (just skimmed through Brahm's lullaby). I have the feeling the songs go pretty fast and easily right now (eg Sakura, You're in my heart, Brahm's, ..)..

So I was wondering, do any of you sometimes skip some pieces? I have the impression not all of them are really necessary, and I'm wondering whether I would progress faster if I skipped a few pieces here and there and have a bigger challenge when practicing the other pieces. Not that this book is not challenging, but I'd like to get the maximum result in the minimum amount of time (like all of us, I suppose :p) Anyone have any experience with this?

Also, I was wondering how extensive your guys' book is. It seems like my book is a simplified version of book 2, with less songs (eg Chopin's 10.3 is missing, which I regret a lot!). It's got 96 pages and about 41 pieces in it, aside from a theoretic part and some other excercises.

Thanks! Looking forward to spending some more time on this forum!


Herman



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#1306966 - 11/17/09 01:09 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Manu85]
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I hate to say it, but I've been a bit frustrated with the Alfred course...for a while now.

It's not about the musicality of the pieces themselves - I actually quite enjoy playing everything starting from the Wedding theme. It's about the never-ending LH chords and the very loooong review section. I wish Alfred gave more emphasis to the LH as it does with the RH. I believe strengthening the LH is essential for me to be able to play the music I really want to play (mostly classical).

Of course I can just supplement Alfred with other pieces which is what I am doing, but it's starting to frustrate me that I have to look at other sources to make up for what's lacking in the book. And it doesn't help that the review section is so long and I won't be learning any new LH chords beyond C, G, and G7 for a while. And I wish the 16th notes would come quickly, but the book is taking its time!

But being the "diligent" grin student that I am, I never skip pieces. So I'm trying my best to get the review section over with and get into new material, but at the same time, it makes me miserable because time spent on Alfred = time not spent strengthening my LH, and time not spent learning more challenging material.

I feel that the book is holding me back
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My teacher is away for the month so I'm working on my own now. When I see her again, I may talk to her about my concerns and see what'll happen. But even so, I have a strange kind of dogged loyalty to Alfred (I already have Book 3) so I'm not willing to drop the series entirely.

Sorry for the rant frown

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@ Herman: I hope my ranting hasn't scared you off! Alfred is a good method, but I guess no one method is perfect for everybody. Some people skip pieces, others like me don't (my teacher is strict that way). Since it seems like you're self-teaching, you can just go at your own pace. Oh, and welcome to the forum! laugh


Edited by marimorimo (11/17/09 01:11 AM)
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#1307166 - 11/17/09 11:47 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: marimorimo]
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Hey marimorimo,

Thanks for the welcome wink As you probably noticed, I changed my nickname; as I think Herman sounds a bit static, I like Manu better smile

I get your drift about the Alfred's books. Actually half an hour ago I was playing one of the few pieces that does require a bit more use of the LH (Rock-a my soul). I do agree though that the LH seems to be neglected quite a bit in the Alfred's series, especially in the first 2 books it seems.

Have you taken a look at the scores in the 3rd book? I don't know what they look like, but from listening to a few pieces from the book in the Alfred-3-thread, I get the impression that the LH is finally getting the attention it deserves and not just playing chords the whole time.

This also annoys me a bit, but I've been well into the series for a few months now, and am eager to finish them! I figure the LH will be exploited sooner rather than later, and if after the Alfred's series I am not satisfied with its evolution, I will look for challenging pieces for my LH myself. I hope you'll find what you need later on in the series!

BTW, where are you in book 2 and do you have a teacher? Right now I'm practicing Brahm's lullaby and also perfecting the preceding 2 or 3 songs. I'm 100% self taught up to now and would like the idea of being able to consult someone from time to time (if necessary) in order to solve possible technical problems smile. Of course I am also willing to give you advice, but obviously I wouldn't be able to guarantee you correct advice as I don't have an expert supervising me, just my own experiences! Keep your Alfred spirit up wink and see you around,


Manu

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#1307641 - 11/18/09 08:23 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Manu85]
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Getting very frustrated here, it looks like I won't get much progress the next months. Ordered the all in one collection a month ago, still not arrived. Today I got a message that it was returned by the postal office, after 1 month. So now it'll have to be sent to somewhere else, so I'm looking at probably at least 1 more month before I get it. So damn frustrating, because I just can't find the book in this country and I'd have to order any other books as well..

Its amazing how long it can take to deliver something which usually takes a week by another company. Maybe ill have to order another book but I don't know from where, my mail never arrives anymore it seems.

Sorry just incredibly frustrated and I can't even find an online edition of it either.

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#1307817 - 11/18/09 02:02 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Quagles]
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Book 2 is really painful, I am at Danny Boy which is the last song before Canon in D... I listened to other peoples recordings of Canon in D and I feel a bit sad that they didn't use the original in the book. Hopefully Book 3 will be better.. but looking on the bright side, my piano skills have increased a lot so I can't say it was a waste of time. It served its purpose, I'm just anxious like I'm sure some of you are to play "better" songs.

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#1308051 - 11/18/09 08:34 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: bobjr]
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@Manu85: Yes, I do have a teacher but she's away for this month. I have Book 3 and I took a peek at it before (but that was a while back and I don't have the book with me now) and the pieces at the very end (Fur Elise, Moonlight Sonata) are some of my goal pieces so I'd be very glad to work my way up to playing those. But I still think that Book 3 focuses a lot on LH chords. Not that chords are a bad thing - I think it'll help in playing Pop and playing from fake books, but not helpful in others, like Baroque.

I'm only up to Hungarian Rhapsody by Liszt right now. Brahm's lullaby was one of the earlier challenging pieces in Book 1 and I'm looking forward to playing a more advanced version laugh But anyway, I decided to take a break from Alfred for the meantime so I'm currently learning a Baroque piece from the 'The Festival Collection Book 3.' The piece didn't look hard, but it was a test of LH-RH coordination! I was continuously mixing up reading the bass and the treble clefs, which almost never happens with Alfred! It was such a good exercise I'm thinking of concentrating more on the Festival Collection book rather on the method book.

@Quagles: I was wondering why I haven't seen you lately...so that's the reason why! I sympathize with you. I ordered some music books last month on expedited shipping but my package still hasn't arrived. I feel cheated that I spent more on the expedited shipping option. Why don't you spend this time learning pieces from online sources instead? It'll be a nice break from Alfred wink
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#1309107 - 11/20/09 10:35 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: marimorimo]
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Just wanted to check in. I'm up to Overture and have it down pretty much to perfection, yet I still have a few places in Guantanamera (sp) that I'm not quite hitting right. Going to get that one closer to being perfected before I try Light & Blue. Not necessarily looking foward to that one, didn't like it very much just listening but maybe it will be more fun to play. My holiday song collection isn't going as well as I had hoped, I've just been too busy to practice much, 10 or 15 minutes here and there isn't cutting it. I probably won't be able to get back to serious practice until the first of the year. Too much to do and not enough time.

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#1309804 - 11/21/09 01:45 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: BarbVA]
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I've had the chance to at least work on some of the songs in the basic course the last busy weeks of exam preparations. Like Roman holiday which I finished, tumbalalaika which is at least close to finish, and I've finished Morning has broken as well. So now I've finally at least got the time to keep working more each day. Started La raspa as well, which doesn't look all that hard. Gonna go back to light and blue soon enough as well.

Which brings me to one question on Morning has broken, I can play first version and I can play the second version. But the third version I don't really understand how I play the chords. I've seen these notes in many of harder pieces but I don't really get how I'm supposed to play them. Should I be playing them twice the speed as I were playing normal broken chords? Do I play them as broken chords even? They're slightly confusing :x

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#1309925 - 11/21/09 05:08 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Quagles]
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Quagles : you play them faster they are 8th notes instead of quarter, I seem to remember that being part of (Optional Material) or something like that. I never really did like the sound of the doubled up broken cords on that song, just didn't sound good to me.

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#1309937 - 11/21/09 05:28 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: bobjr]
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I didn't like it either, but I did the broken chords:

Broken

With strings
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#1310882 - 11/23/09 11:15 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: MiM]
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I've missed practicing for a few days (my keyboard was inaccessible), but I started on "Morning Has Broken" today also. I've been reading that "hands separate" practice is a good way to get your technique going on a new piece, so I've been giving that a try. I'm going to give "Light and Blue" another day or two of polishing, I think, but am considering "Roman Holiday" and the earlier ones done (unless I decide to go back and review them).

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#1310961 - 11/23/09 01:38 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: Lea09]
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Finally got back to Alfred this weekend after spending two or three weeks on Clair de lune and the Beatles' Yesterday.

Light and Blue is up to tempo and mistake free, but needs work on dynamics and smoothing the transition to the final chord in the second ending.

I could use some help on two questions. After the first ending, do you repeat all the way back to the beginning on page one? I don't see any indication otherwise and the final 4-note diminuendo (if that's the right term) seems to point toward the beginning piano dynamic. Second, the notes say the final chord in second ending can be played as a tremolo. Can someone explain how a tremolo is played and what it is supposed to sound like? The insert seems to show dividing the left and right hand parts of the chord into two pieces each and then playing those pieces in two long beats. Is that it or do you go back and forth repeatedly on these two pieces?

Thanks for the help. I've really enjoyed learning the blues songs we've had so far. Its amazing how, once you get that left hand beat going, the right hand almost can't help but run off and improvise a little riff before returning to the score. Does anyone know of a good supplemental book that concentrates on blues piano that wouldn't be too far above my beginning Alfred 2 level?

MIM - good job on morning is broken. thumb Sounds extra nice with strings.

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#1311065 - 11/23/09 05:23 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: JimF]
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I'm working on Alexander's Ragtime Band and have finally figured it out, which means I know what I'm supposed to do, now I just need to do it. I just started tinkering with Solace. starting in the second measure, there is a Bb and C played together LH. Just by itself it sounds awful to me and then when combined with the D# RH, it sounds hideous. Am I alone thinking this? I have played someone's recording and it sounded good but I couldn't really hear the places where the Bb and C were played.

This does not look like it's going to be easy. And then there's La Bamba to look forward to.

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#1311443 - 11/24/09 10:06 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: JimF]
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Jim I would repeat Light and Blue from the start - and the termolo is repated playing of the notes quickly.
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#1311473 - 11/24/09 11:27 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: justcallmesir]
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As for me, I'm enamored with chords until an unspecified time in the future.
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#1313156 - 11/27/09 07:12 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and All in One Adult Piano Course Book #2 [Re: MiM]
jrcallan Offline
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Just wanted to get this thread back to page 1!

Otherwise, I love playing the Olympic Procession, and am grateful that the "Aloha Oe" number is mercifully short.

Still enjoying Alfred's 2.
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