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#1304834 - 11/13/09 02:08 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: Milk]
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Because of the better sound system, I think the CLP320 will likely sound better than the P140 when played through the speakers. I'm not sure which one would be better through headphones as I haven't tried them head-to-head, but they both have similar specifications (three-level sampling). If space wasn't an issue and I was in your shoes I think I'd go for the 320.
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#1305018 - 11/13/09 06:23 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: Vid_w]
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The salesman told me that stage pianos vs home pianos are the visa versa of laptops vs computers. Laptops are more expensive compared to computers because of the laptop being portable. He told me that home pianos are more expensive because you pay for the "furniture" that the home piano delivers, unlike the stage piano.

Do people agree with this?

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#1305062 - 11/13/09 07:17 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: Milk]
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Sounds about right to me, but don't forget the larger speakers too that normally come with home pianos.

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#1306421 - 11/16/09 03:41 AM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: NoFingers]
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Hey,

I'm now doubting between the KORG sp 250 and the P155. (P140 is unavailable hehe)

I'm a beginner and I did like the sound of the P155 + the touch was better. I'm wondering though how much the touch of the P155, compared to the KORG sp 250, will affect my playing. Is it a really big difference once you get good?

I'm plannning on plugging my piano on my pc, even though I like the fact that the P155 has a good sound without a pc, I'm having second guesses since the korg sp 250 is 700 euros cheaper and the only real + the P155 has is the better touch when hooked up to a pc. Do you think its worth it for a beginner like me?


Edited by Milk (11/16/09 03:42 AM)

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#1306444 - 11/16/09 06:45 AM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: Milk]
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I was wondering about the same thing a few weeks ago and decided that the P155 keyboard wasn't "better enough" to make up for the near doubling of the price (especially considering the SP-250 also comes with stand and pedal included). So far I'm very happy with the Korg!
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#1306566 - 11/16/09 12:07 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: oddsignals]
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Hi Milk,

As other posters frequently write- you can change the sound of a DP but not its touch. If you liked the Yamaha's touch much better than the Korg, then it will be worthwhile to get the more expensive model. The other plus is that you did also like its onboard piano sound, so you wouldn't be required to have your computer with you if you gigged with it.

For me, budget is the bottom line. If the dp (or whatever big purchase) I really like is in my budget, albeit at the top, I go for the best I can afford because I will have less buyers remorse. It totally bugs me when I go cheaper and it falls short in a respect that I could have had- hate that feeling!

Go back, play both models and see which one you really enjoy playing and go with your gut! wink Good luck to you!
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#1306875 - 11/16/09 09:10 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: EmmaElise]
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Hi Milk. I've been looking for a digital piano as well, and I had a chance to try out the Korg SP250, the Yamaha P155 and the Casio PX-330 today. All through my good $200 worn-in headphones, as that's the only way I wanted to judge. I won't comment on the features/jacks etc. as people know what they must have in that regard.

I'm a cellist who's only played alongside pianists my entire life so take it with a grain of salt perhaps. I expected the SP250 to be much better than it was, very disappointed. The sound was not good at all in my opinion, easily the worst piano sound of the three (which can be changed through software of course). Unfortunately it also had too light of a touch compared to the acoustics I tried out in the showroom just for kicks, and was not at all "just like" the P155's touch.

The PX330 and P155 both had good quality piano sound, leaps ahead of the 250 and, surprisingly, I couldn't choose which sound I liked the best (remember I was wearing good headphones, rendering the speaker difference irrelevant). The PX sound was much improved over the PX110 my friend used to have, as was the touch; it felt less sluggish but still a bit too heavy. The P155 was noticeably better than the P140 he currently has in all regards.

The touch on the Yamaha was the best, with the Casio being too on the heavy side. There was no syrupy-ness or inability for fast repetition on the Casio though, just more resistance.

So my opinion, if you have the money go for the P155; it's the clear winner and the price tag reflects that. In the lower price range even the PX130/330 wins easily over the Korg, so if you are only choosing between SP250 and P155, Yamaha is easily my pick. If you must save money it's worth comparing the new Privias to the Korg.

This is just my OPINION. Everyone likes different sound and touch, even between acoustics. Go with your gut. P85 is inferior to all of these.


Edited by Passion (11/16/09 09:25 PM)

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#1306889 - 11/16/09 09:31 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: Passion]
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An issue that I often have when reading reviews is the suggestion to judge a DP with headphones. Well, I think that most of us like to play for themselves but also for others. The built - in speakers are important, and I think that their quality affects the price.
I played the Privia PX 330, and honestly, without headphones and through the tiny built-in-speakers,it sounded as a toy to me.
Same for the P-85. The P 155 sounds much better through the speakers.
and also the Korg SP 250 sounds better through the built-in speakers than the Privia (in my opinion).
So, unless you want to play only with headphones, judge a DP without them !

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#1306890 - 11/16/09 09:36 PM Re: Yamaha P85 vs other brands [Re: gerardo1000]
Passion Offline
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Originally Posted By: gerardo1000

So, unless you want to play only with headphones, judge a DP without them !


You are correct, and I did try them without as well briefly and of course the sound was worse on the ones with weaker speakers (P155 being the best).

I only assumed most people would either play through headphones or run their sound through better speakers, as the quality difference it makes compared to the built in speakers on these ~$1000 and lower models is quite significant.

Understandably some people can't or won't do that, and if you plan on ever only using the built in speakers then by all means that's the best way to judge them, but even with the P155 you're missing a lot of potential (in my opinion).

You are right that I would not recommend playing the Casio through the built in speakers, as the quality is not great. But I feel the same on the Korg. Only the Yamaha P155 is reaching the point that I feel the sound is adequate out of the box.


Edited by Passion (11/16/09 09:41 PM)

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