I have seiler, not happy they go out of busines

I believe it was Mark Twain that said "we are entitled to own opinions, just not our own facts". Terry is making is opinion on Steingraber sound like a fact. We all have out different opinions when it comes to pianos, but as far as George and everyone else that has posted, dollar for dollar you PROBABLY (note the caps) get a better bang for our buck with the Shigeru, even without price MAY be a superior piano. I have always thought that part of the reason Shigeru wasn't compared to Bosendorfer etc. was just because of its lower price point. I think people would take it more seriously if it were the same prices as those 1B tiered pianos.

Dan,
OMG! I have not laughed so hard in a long time! I actually (for real)almost wet myself!lol! You should be an author. I was hanging on to your every word. Thanks for your humor as sometimes on this forum it is very much needed.

Louis,Louis,Louis,
Where shall i start with you? Should i even respond to someone that through their posts,talks the talk but cannot walk the walk? Well,nothing for nothing here goes. I have read your posts and it seems to me young man you have quite a VIVID (in your own words "note the caps")imagination. You speak of things of which you have done very little research. I don't believe you have even PLAYED (Note the caps)an SK and would bet my European Fortress(lol) that you have never come close to even SNIFFING (Note the caps) the keys on a Steingraeber. When i started my quest for high quality pianos,i did much homework as well. Have you studied the way in which Tier one piano makers such as Fazioli,Bluthner,Bosies,Steingraeber and others go to ridiculous lenghts to create their works of art. Well i am hear to tell you that i am a huge researcher on anything i spend my hard earned money on.Upon researching the build quality of the SK(which don't get me wrong,they are built well)their builders don't even come close to the techniques used by the Tier one makers.Would i have liked to save money and bought an SK if it was the same quality as the Steingraeber or Feurich? Heck yes!!!! But it is NOT (note the caps)so it was simply eliminated from my list. POOF! GONE! The research i did young man proved the FACTS (Note the caps)I agree with AJB when he said he likes Kwai pianos but i also agree with him when he says "The SK is mainly a marketing exercise that adds a premium price to a warmed up product." I don't think Johanna has anything to worry about if she buys the SK.However to compare it to the likes of Fazioli,Bosie Steingraeber and so on,one cannot win such an arugement. There is ABSOLUTELY (Note the caps) a reason for the difference in the price between the SK and the Tier one pianos. Louis first do your research and then you will realize that your unmatched SK jet(which in all reality you do not own and are depending on your father after he has gone bankrupt to buy you one) will be no threat to the walls of my mighty european fortress.You will be sent back with your tail in FLAMES !(note the caps) Curse you Red Baron! lol.Louis, it may be that Mark Twain said"We are entitled to our own opinions,just not our own facts." With that being said it was also King Terry of Bayreuth Germany that said" We are entitled to our opinions,but for God's sake do your home work or one's tongue shall be cut off for speaking mistruths!"lol. Long live king Terry!Long live the topless walls of king Terry's fortress.HaHa!

Louis,It is time you put up or shut up! This "i'm getting an SK" sydrome,is getting quite boring. show us the money and the pictures of your imaginary friend in your home.Sorry to be so harsh but....... I really do hope you are getting one.I want people to be successful and happy.Please forgive me if i am wrong,but it seems to me you have been blowing a lot of hot air!

Johanna,
As i said before the SK is a good piano with which you should receive many worry free years of musical enjoyment.Welcome to the forum. As you can see,we get very passionate about pianos around here.

JJSK,
I still find it hard to believe that George Kolasis' has played or researched the Steingraebers. If he did his research on steingraeber, he would realize the vast differences between the lesser SK as compared to the steingraeber. Maybe he has some kind of secretive marketing deal going with SK. I don't know but it's worth pondering. Larry Fine uses information gathered from many highly respected techs to come up with his ratings. It's not from just the singular opinion from some one like Mr. Kolasis that he would print his data. Again,he uses many resorces.I also say it again that there is a reason the Steingraebers and other Tier one instruments cost more.It's because their owners get more.

For anyone reading this i again want to make it clear. My intentions are not to start a SK bashing fest. I think they are very high quality instruments. I just don't believe they have reached Tier one status as yet. According to Larry Fine and his many resorces,they agree as well!


Respectfully(with bits and parts being tongue and cheek)
Terry






Not only has Mr. Kolasis done his homework in researching Steingraeber and ALL the Tier one instruments but he has also spent many years in the trenches tuning them, prepping them and *building* them. Amoung his peers he is considered one the the very best in his field. I repeat my point: HE says Shigeru Kawai is a better piano than a Steingraeber in a) giving the most seasoned professional pianist the widest pallette of expresive possibilities and b) potential longevity of the best performance of the instrument. He also says that Kawais MIII action is the greatest innovation in piano building in his lifetime. So in the opinion of one of the most highly regarded experts in the piano industry price does not necessarily go hand in hand with what the end user gets.

... "All pianos German made, are superior pianos"- Adolf ....

Ken,

I am calling for a closure of this thread.

Who's with me?

Why? This is where they get fun.

and Louis,

There's also an old mama adage that goes like this "Quit while you are still ahead"

I believe it was Mark Twain that said "we are entitled to own opinions, just not our own facts".

For the record I like SK pianos. They sound good and play well. There are of course pianos that have impressed me to a greater degree, but none of them start with the letter "S". By the way, my conclusion is supported by research and FACTS!

dafanshi,
I disagree with you when you say pianos that start with the letter S do not impress you. By your many posts i get the opinion you like the letter s. Can you say "stencil" pianos that give their pianos names that sound as though they are German? Could this possibly be because the Germans are known for their reputation? Or better yet i bet you are more impressed with the letter C more than the letter S. I think i understand the type of pianos that impress you. Can yoy say C as in Chinese. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just that some people are more easily impressed than others. This might make you a good canidate for being president of the "Easily impressed by pianos that come from the letter C." club. There is a place for Chinese pianos,just not in my home.

AJF,
For the few things you point out about the SK build quality,they still don't match the insane and meticulous steps taken by the higher quality makers. Part of research and doing your homework means studying all sides of the issue. Get a Steingraeber,Fazioli or Bosie manual and you'll be blown away.

Louis,
Mama also said "Put your money where your mouth is." Didn't your mama also tell you to get a job,be responsible and buy your own 50,0000 piano instead of sponging off your parents who are having huge financial problems and trying to put food in your selfish and self centered little mouth! Guess you haven't listened to everything mama said,just the things that benefit you. Par for the course. Since you may be too young to get a job,the next option would be to wait on the piano until you can be a responsibe human being by working hard and getting it yourself. Sorry life sometimes is not fair,but it is satisfying if one works hard for the things they want. In short get a clue and a life!


Cheers,
Terry

Leaving aside all of the vitriol people are throwing at each other I have a couple of observations.

1 I have long been puzzled as to why so many people set such store upon what technicians (e.g Larry Fine) think about pianos. Ask a technician about the condition - but ask a player (preferably yourself) how it sounds and feels. Many technicians are great at working on pianos....and somewhat less great at playing them.

2 It has always been the case, and always will be, that when it comes to choosing musical instruments, the opinions of others (unless you are a beginner) should be irrelevant. It is your ears and your fingers that matter.

3 Price might be some sort of guide to quality of manufacture and materials (and the scale of the marketing budget) but is not necessarily a good guide to musical excellence.