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There's noting inflammatory about saying the the Chopin Fantasie is uninteresting.

I have no opinion of you whatsoever. You're the one who seems to have the problem.

Otherwise, you're just getting petulant.

Oh, nothing inflammatory about that, is there? In my opinion, your tone and your behavior—now and in the past—is inexcusable for a monitor. The worst of it is that because of your status, you cannot be Ignored.

You said you didn't understand my comments about netiquette. Why in the world would netiquette need to be explained to a monitor?

Steven

What is inflammatory about saying the Chopin Fantasy is uninteresting? It's just an opinion. And, how is stating that opinion in the way it was done a breach of forum rules?

It's not, and that's plainly not what I said in either instance.

Twisting other people's words is the refuge of the rabbit hole. Any port in a storm, I guess.

Steven

Interesting, since you're the one who introduced the word inflammatory. What did you mean then, since it had to do with a stated opinion about a piece?

You seem to be getting into an argumentative mode. I'm simply making a point that it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course.

Phlebas:

Don't you think they all have difficulties of varying degrees? And technical abilities vary, too, from one individual to another. Rare is the person who has a 'complete' technique in every aspect and that means technical facility as well as interpretive ability.

I think, to answer your question, it is that the Fantasy is a bit longer and perhaps took me longer to work through it. I will admit to being a LOUSY sight-reader and defer to almost anyone in that area. I continually work on improving my technique tho and I am pretty good in that aspect. But I take my time in learning to play a piece and and use the metronome to keep it under control until nearing a date to perform and then I do drop the metronome but keep up hands separately and SLOW< SLOW< SLOW practice.

You claim that "[p]eople should just express their opinions," yet you didn't seem to care for or "understand" my opinion that people should make clear when they're offering an opinion versus a statement of fact. That's standard netiquette, it's a social nicety, and it promotes discussion instead of antagonism. Again, these points were made in the Hamelin thread.

When someone says, as here, that the Fantaisie is "not a technically-demanding piece," that reads to me like a statement of fact. To anyone who's unacquainted with the piece and therefore doesn't recognize the absurdity of that declaration, it would be taken as a statement of fact. If it wasn't meant as one, how hard would it have been to add the words for me?

Consider "Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting." That reads like a statement of fact, too, though unless the writer has the credibility of a professional critic, one might not give it such weight. As a statement of opinion—and coupled with the previous suggestion that the Fantaisie is a high-school-level technical trifle—it comes across as supercilious. How hard would it have been to add the words to me? Without the disclaimer that it's just an opinion, it's inflammatory.

This is at least the third time that you have taken issue with me for addressing what I believed to be improper or wrong and chosen instead to defend the impropriety. You state your opinion that you don't like my opinion; when I defend myself, you depict me as "petulant" and "argumentative." That's inflammatory.

You seem to think "it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course," except when that someone is me. You conflate "forum rules" with the simple and long-established conventions of netiquette that act as a social lubricant where the written word is relied upon in the absence of any other kinds of nuances or cues. You have defended violations of netiquette and even forum rules concerning vulgarity when it meant you could take a cheap shot at me instead. You have distorted my words to give cover to your agenda.

I think everyone should expect better from a moderator.

Steven

Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.

Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven

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I can't help but think that that's a bloody pompous thing for you to say to a user who can't ignore you if he wanted to.

I can't help but think that that's a bloody pompous thing for you to say to a user who can't ignore you if he wanted to.