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#1313117 - 11/27/09 03:23 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: zaba19]
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You can listen to two samples on roland.co.jp. Visit

http://www.roland.co.jp/PIANO/hp/hp307.html

and click the photo of a female pianist. Then you will see two buttons to play samples.

These samples are common to all HP30xs because their tone generators are identical(except for some parameters are adjustable(307) or fixed(302,305)).

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#1313182 - 11/27/09 08:36 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: mezzo-poor]
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If you click on even more buttons you'll get to presentations with videos as well - showing some of the features.

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#1313207 - 11/27/09 09:28 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: zaba19]
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Is there a list anywhere exactly stating how many levels of sampling each Roland model have?

The only thing I find online is "multi-sampling" and no specific number like Casio's "4 level sampling".
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#1313271 - 11/27/09 11:43 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Huygens]
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The new Hp300 series doesn't use sampling, they use the same sound modeling as the V-piano.

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#1313277 - 11/27/09 11:50 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Huygens]
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Originally Posted By: Huygens
Is there a list anywhere exactly stating how many levels of sampling each Roland model have?

I've never seen any information about it. I asked about it to a Roland's staff and even she didn't know.

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#1313294 - 11/27/09 12:20 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Vid_w]
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It's not the same sound generator in the new HP series as in the V-piano, but a combination of modeling and sampling

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#1313303 - 11/27/09 12:39 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Andree]
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^Hmma, i thought it was all sound modelling, just without the piano design features...

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#1313829 - 11/28/09 11:09 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Vid_w]
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Hello, I am thinking about buying a new piano since my 10 year old Kawai CA 550 doesn't really satisfy me anymore and for financial as well as other reasons (too loud, transportability, tuning etc.) I want the next one to be digital too. Having tried most of the new models from Kawai Yamaha and Roland, I am most impressed with Rolands HP 207, the V-Piano and the LX-10.
Needless to say I am very interested in Rolands new HP 307.
Since I am looking for a home-piano the V-Piano isn't really an option, so I was hoping the 307 would bring the V-Pianos fantastic soundquality to home-pianos. However, the most important weak-point I found in the 207 in direct comparison to the v-piano was the sound in the very quite ppp area which I found to feel artificial, too brilliant, the change in sound too small. Now I have read this wonderful review and one thing concernes me:
Quote:
I felt the tone change around ppp was a little insufficient compared to acoustic pianos, however this weak point is shared with most of DPs.

Could you possibly tell me if that fault is stronger in the old HP207 than in the HP307?
Even though I currently prefer Rolands LX-10 over the HP 207 for its superior speaker system I would like to know if the new technology is worth waiting another 2 years or so for the successor of the LX-10.

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#1313878 - 11/28/09 01:49 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Masume]
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Originally Posted By: Masume
Originally Posted By: mezzo-poor
I felt the tone change around ppp was a little insufficient compared to acoustic pianos, however this weak point is shared with most of DPs.

Could you possibly tell me if that fault is stronger in the old HP207 than in the HP307?

About the change of tone around ppp, I think
HP207 < HP307 < acoustic pianos.

Please enjoy choosing your next DP. You can decide it after trying HP307 because you say you can wait for 2 years. laugh

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#1313951 - 11/28/09 03:41 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: mezzo-poor]
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I can, but I don't really want to. laugh
I guess I will just have to wait until it arrives in Germany (which my piano dealer guessed would be around september). I guess could go to the Musikmesse in Frankfurt since it's only about 100km from here, but 20€ entry + travelling seems a bit expensive for just trying one perticular product.
Thanks anyway for your insights =)
I can only hope that Roland will quickly make new LX-10 like pianos with the new technology or else I will have to decide between great speakers (LX-10) or great sound generation (HP 307).

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#1313979 - 11/28/09 05:06 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Masume]
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^September 2010?
If so, I'll just buy the HP 203, I can't wait for another year...

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#1314189 - 11/29/09 02:19 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: zaba19]
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Anyone know when the HP-40x range will be released? Seriously, isn't the DP manufacturing arena getting like that one we suffer from with computers, buy one today and it's replaced, and obsolete, in a years time? I'm not knocking it, it's indicative of the "must have" societies we live in, it makes our world go round. Sorry, OT.

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#1314359 - 11/29/09 12:06 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: crusadar]
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I don't see what's wrong with that. My ten year old Kawai CA550 works just as well as it did more than 10 years ago when I bought it, my ten year old PC in the basement however is good for nothing by now as it can't support any modern software. I think it's great that so many improvements are made in digital pianos. That the new ones are a little better doesn't make the older ones any worse. As for the HP-40x range, my uneducated guess would be about 2 years after the release of the HP-30x range because that is how long it took from HP-20x to HP-30x (I think...)

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#1314373 - 11/29/09 12:28 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Masume]
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I think Masume is right.

Computers become obsolete because you're always wanting to add new software (or you're being forced to). This requires more system resources, eventually forcing you to get a newer, better box.

But there are no upgrades to your piano. It's not subject to the burdens of new software. It never changes. So, until it breaks or wears out, it can keep going and going ...

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#1314857 - 11/30/09 02:36 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: MacMacMac]
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I think what I'm saying is, the technology and the means to incorporate it into the DP are there already it's just a matter of releasing it slowly over a number of years in order to maintain the market, I believe it is called "planned obsolescence". Sorry, still OT I'll stand down.

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#1314871 - 11/30/09 03:42 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: crusadar]
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No, please keep up talking.
You are of course right.
That is why healthy competition from new, young innovative companies is so important!
Otherwise, consumer markets resemble simply monopoly or oligopoly style profit pools to be milked the best way for the market making companies, keeping prices high and consumer-value-increasing innovation late.

If you want to see capabilities hit the market earlier, put your money where your mouth is and vote with your dollars and euros on those companies that are pushing things forward, like Modartt and their PianoTeq product.

Here is the paradox: If you want to see more from the Rolands and Yamahas of the world, give your money to Modartt instead.

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#1315157 - 11/30/09 02:31 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: mezzo-poor]
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Originally Posted By: mezzo-poor

The prices in the store were
HP307 269,000JPY
HP207 199,000JPY(The store discounted it after the release of HP307.)


To covert the price of the discounted HP207 it will cost around 3.2k whereas HP203 in my country cost around 3.5k. The price range is pretty huge, i wonder if it will be cheaper to import a HP203 from Japan..

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#1315859 - 12/01/09 12:26 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: zaba19]
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I have a question with this respect. I also was just about to buy HP 207 but now i don't relly know what is the best timing. Does anybody know how pricing works in this case. The price in Germany for HP 207 is 2749 EUR. Would it be complitely stupid to buy it now, knowing that new modelis coming from price perspective or this future release is already IN this price. I am not sure I want to wait 307, but wouldn't like to see a big discount next month after I bought it.
Does it make sense to wait until New Year?or messe in Frankfurt in February?
Thank you in advance!

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#1315926 - 12/01/09 01:53 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: temari]
Masume Offline
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hmm... that makes sense, so I'll just hijack your question and add: How about the LX-10? I consider buying it instead of the 207 or instead of waiting for the 307, because it sounds so much greater playing with the LX-10s speakers. But since it's a different product series It shouldn't be greatly affected as far as pricedrops are concerned, I guess...
Oh, and by the way: even though I like the alliteration, the Musikmesse in Frankfurt is in late march, not february. (hm, Musikmesse in march, that still works laugh )

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#1315972 - 12/01/09 02:37 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: temari]
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Originally Posted By: temari
I have a question with this respect. I also was just about to buy HP 207 but now i don't relly know what is the best timing. Does anybody know how pricing works in this case. The price in Germany for HP 207 is 2749 EUR. Would it be complitely stupid to buy it now, knowing that new modelis coming from price perspective or this future release is already IN this price. I am not sure I want to wait 307, but wouldn't like to see a big discount next month after I bought it.


You will. And you want the PHA III keyboard.
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#1316042 - 12/01/09 04:11 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Huygens]
Masume Offline
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The PHA III, really? From what I've heard the differences between the PHA II and the PHA III are barely noticable. I tried both myself (On the v-piano and another modern roland stagepiano) and I didn't really notice any differnce, both felt equally great and fun to play.
I would say the sound is of much greater concern, but since it doesn't seem to be on par with the v-piano just yet (judging by mezzo-poors review, please correct me if I got the wrong impression) you could just as well wait for the next next generations of Roland pianos as they are surely going to be better yet. Wanting to buy a new digital piano myself I came to the conclusion that you can always wait for the next, better generation but that way you will never buy a new digital piano...
So much for my opinion on that topic, but maybe I'm just telling myself all that to rationalise the purchase of that new piano I want laugh (that and my situation is a little different as I'm looking to buy the LX-10 model instead which makes the HP-307 less appealing)
But even though, I would at least wait till NAMM (January 14th to 17th) to get some more impressions on the new model before I actually decide on waiting or not, an additional one month and two weeks waiting should be short enough to bear. smile

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#1316497 - 12/02/09 05:53 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Masume]
temari Offline
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OK, but if we switch to pure pricing issue, what is your impression: will the price for HP 207 go down in the nearest future or it stay at this level and new model will be just more expensive.
I don't have any DP at all, so I need to buy something to start practicing and i would say that 2749 EUR ( current price for HP 207 in Germany) is my upper limit i would lke to pay more, even for 307 or anything else.

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#1316533 - 12/02/09 07:49 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: temari]
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Buy at thomann.de after Christmas, they have a 30 day returns policy that I've personally used for a digital piano. 30 days after delivery, NAMM will be over and if it hasn't dropped in price till then, it probably will not for a while.

Plus you have a great amount of experience with the 207 to decide whether the 307 will be worth the premium.
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#1316539 - 12/02/09 07:55 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Bunneh]
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if the piano is not defective you will be required to pay the return shipping which will be considerable for the HP207.

I would recommend actually only buying something you are actually planning to keep rather than abusing return policies.

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#1316543 - 12/02/09 07:59 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: theJourney]
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You don't pay return shipping in Germany at Thomann, unless that changed since August 2008, when I bought mine.

Whether it's ethical or not is something you have to decide for yourself, of course!
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#1316799 - 12/02/09 02:49 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Bunneh]
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I haven't found any accompaniments on the Roland RD-700GX or V-Piano. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Does any of the new Rolands have a built-in sequencer, for accompaniments, like the Yamaha CVP-series?
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#1317056 - 12/02/09 09:19 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Huygens]
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Originally Posted By: Huygens
Does any of the new Rolands have a built-in sequencer, for accompaniments, like the Yamaha CVP-series?

I browsed the Japanese manual for HP307 and found no description for accompaniments.

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#1320242 - 12/07/09 11:03 AM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: mezzo-poor]
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Does anyone know the name of the two classical pieces played on the demo at www.roland.co.jp? Talking about HP307

/Andrée


Edited by Andree (12/07/09 11:25 AM)

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#1320286 - 12/07/09 12:02 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: Andree]
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#1320408 - 12/07/09 03:00 PM Re: Preview of Roland products 2010? [Re: mezzo-poor]
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mezzo-poor, thanks for your help

/Andrée

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