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#1297094 - 10/31/09 09:10 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: akonow]
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Originally Posted By: akonow
I've personally felt that it could be his magnum opus.

I think it's a worthy contender among a handful of other worthy candidates. (I recall a "Chopin's Magnum Opus" thread a while back.)

Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Well, I played the Fantasy in high school. It's not a technically-demanding piece.

I'm glad to hear you had such little difficulty considering your problems with 10/1. Still, there's a big difference between saying you didn't find it technically demanding, or that its difficulty tends to be overstated and overrated, and saying that it's "not a technically-demanding piece." That's an enormous exaggeration—pure hyperbole and patently absurd, IMNSHO.

Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting.

There's no accounting for taste; what passes you ain't for you.

Even when one's personal opinion is obviously such, making that clear goes a long way toward mitigating a tone that may otherwise seem smug or high-handed. (If you read the thread about Hamelin, this issue is addressed at greater length.) Acronyms like IMO, IMHO and even IMNSHO do exist for a reason. smile

Steven
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Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297143 - 10/31/09 10:46 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: akonow


[quote=AZNpiano]Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting.

There's no accounting for taste; what passes you ain't for you.

Even when one's personal opinion is obviously such, making that clear goes a long way toward mitigating a tone that may otherwise seem smug or high-handed. (If you read the thread about Hamelin, this issue is addressed at greater length.) Acronmyms like IMO, IMHO and even IMNSHO do exist for a reason. smile

Steven


I don't really understand that. If someone says a piece it's uninteresting, then it is obviously their opinion. There's no need for any "IMO," etc. People should just express their opinions. Saying "IMO" is just redundant.

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#1297145 - 10/31/09 11:00 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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I'm beginning to wonder of some posters aren't confusing the Fantasy on Polish Airs with the Fantasy Impromptu. That would explain a few things.

(Frycek, darting back into her lair)
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#1297146 - 10/31/09 11:01 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting.

There's no accounting for taste; what passes you ain't for you.

Even when one's personal opinion is obviously such, making that clear goes a long way toward mitigating a tone that may otherwise seem smug or high-handed. (If you read the thread about Hamelin, this issue is addressed at greater length.) Acronyms like IMO, IMHO and even IMNSHO do exist for a reason. smile

Steven

I don't really understand that. If someone says a piece it's uninteresting, then it is obviously their opinion. There's no need for any "IMO," etc. People should just express their opinions. Saying "IMO" is just redundant.

If people cannot distinguish between fact and opinion, perhaps they shouldn't "just express" themselves. It can be inflammatory, and I'm sure you know others agree if you read the Hamelin thread. I would expect a moderator to stand up for forum etiquette rather than deny the need for it.

It seems to me you're just taking the opportunity to single me out (yet again) for unwarranted criticism based on your well-documented personal animus. How predictable. I imagine that if it were I who had written what AZNpiano wrote, you would be jumping all over me for that instead of criticizing me for questioning it.

Hate the messenger, hate the message. We see it in national politics, and we see it here. You're a moderator, and it's abusive.

Steven
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297152 - 10/31/09 11:12 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: -Frycek]
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Originally Posted By: -Frycek
I'm beginning to wonder of some posters aren't confusing the Fantasy on Polish Airs with the Fantasy Impromptu. That would explain a few things.

Wait! You mean we're not taking about the Polonaise-Fantasy? smile

Steven
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—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297160 - 10/31/09 11:28 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: -Frycek
I'm beginning to wonder of some posters aren't confusing the Fantasy on Polish Airs with the Fantasy Impromptu. That would explain a few things.

Wait! You mean we're not taking about the Polonaise-Fantasy? smile

Steven


Told ya' I was confused. wink
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#1297167 - 10/31/09 11:38 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Oh, people, please don't all start calling that one boring now, too. shocked The Fantaisie and Polonaise-Fantaisie have long been two of my favorites.

I have heard a few thoroughly unconvincing performances of the Fantaisie, though. The most recent was at the Cleveland Int'l Piano Competition this year. I was really excited to hear it, because I had just heard about 20 minutes of Ligeti etudes. Now THAT'S boring stuff. wink <-- (indicates joking, IMO-ing, or just total making-stuff-up-ing)

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#1297173 - 10/31/09 11:51 AM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: buck2202]
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FWIW, I love the Chopin Fantasie, and have trouble listening to it enough. You people who think it's boring don't know what you are missing. smile
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#1297197 - 10/31/09 12:23 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting.

There's no accounting for taste; what passes you ain't for you.

Even when one's personal opinion is obviously such, making that clear goes a long way toward mitigating a tone that may otherwise seem smug or high-handed. (If you read the thread about Hamelin, this issue is addressed at greater length.) Acronyms like IMO, IMHO and even IMNSHO do exist for a reason. smile

Steven

I don't really understand that. If someone says a piece it's uninteresting, then it is obviously their opinion. There's no need for any "IMO," etc. People should just express their opinions. Saying "IMO" is just redundant.

If people cannot distinguish between fact and opinion, perhaps they shouldn't "just express" themselves. It can be inflammatory, and I'm sure you know others agree if you read the Hamelin thread. I would expect a moderator to stand up for forum etiquette rather than deny the need for it.

It seems to me you're just taking the opportunity to single me out (yet again) for unwarranted criticism based on your well-documented personal animus. How predictable. I imagine that if it were I who had written what AZNpiano wrote, you would be jumping all over me for that instead of criticizing me for questioning it.

Hate the messenger, hate the message. We see it in national politics, and we see it here. You're a moderator, and it's abusive.

Steven

There's noting inflammatory about saying the the Chopin Fantasie is uninteresting.

I have no opinion of you whatsoever. You're the one who seems to have the problem.

If you want to discuss the merits of my post, go ahead. Otherwise, you're just getting petulant.


Edited by Phlebas (10/31/09 12:27 PM)

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#1297199 - 10/31/09 12:25 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Horowitzian]
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Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
FWIW, I love the Chopin Fantasie, and have trouble listening to it enough. You people who think it's boring don't know what you are missing. smile


It's one of my least favorite pieces of Chopin. I respect it as one of his great works, but always manage to listen to something else.

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#1297200 - 10/31/09 12:27 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Good for you. smile
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#1297210 - 10/31/09 12:38 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Originally Posted By: Phlebas
There's noting inflammatory about saying the the Chopin Fantasie is uninteresting.

I have no opinion of you whatsoever. You're the one who seems to have the problem.

Otherwise, you're just getting petulant.

Oh, nothing inflammatory about that, is there? In my opinion, your tone and your behavior—now and in the past—is inexcusable for a monitor. The worst of it is that because of your status, you cannot be Ignored.

You said you didn't understand my comments about netiquette. Why in the world would netiquette need to be explained to a monitor?

Steven
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297217 - 10/31/09 12:53 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
There's noting inflammatory about saying the the Chopin Fantasie is uninteresting.

I have no opinion of you whatsoever. You're the one who seems to have the problem.

Otherwise, you're just getting petulant.

Oh, nothing inflammatory about that, is there? In my opinion, your tone and your behavior—now and in the past—is inexcusable for a monitor. The worst of it is that because of your status, you cannot be Ignored.

You said you didn't understand my comments about netiquette. Why in the world would netiquette need to be explained to a monitor?

Steven


What is inflammatory about saying the Chopin Fantasy is uninteresting? It's just an opinion. And, how is stating that opinion in the way it was done a breach of forum rules?

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#1297222 - 10/31/09 01:07 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Originally Posted By: Phlebas
What is inflammatory about saying the Chopin Fantasy is uninteresting? It's just an opinion. And, how is stating that opinion in the way it was done a breach of forum rules?

It's not, and that's plainly not what I said in either instance.

Twisting other people's words is the refuge of the rabbit hole. Any port in a storm, I guess. frown

Steven
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297225 - 10/31/09 01:11 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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I love them all, they are not only amongst my favorite Chopin works, but my favorite pieces of music of all time. Considering I like the more or less equally as a group them all, if I had to subcategorize my love from favorite to least :

Ballade no. 4
Fantasy in F minor
Scherzo no 4
Scherzo no 2
Ballade no 2
Scherzo no 1
Ballade no 1
Barcarolle
Ballade no 3
Scherzo no 3

.....Since I'm stuck at home - a few interesting personal quips about some of them..

While not my favorite FAVORITE piece - if I had 20 minutes left to live and was given the opportunity to listen to just one final thing, it would be undoubtably the Scherzo no 4. There is something about this piece - the subtle melancholic middle section, the playful, carefree sweep of the outer parts, and the way the whole piece suggests, to me, the attitude one should have when departing from life: Cheerful, forgiving, upward looking, and retrospective.

As much as I love it, I have, horrifically, become emotionally numb to the first Ballade. When I was 10, I would sit next to my CD player, tear-eyed and dumbfoudned at the piece, hitting the rewind button over the same few bars in the piece 15 or 20 times every day. Perhaps because of this early obsession, perhaps because it has nearly become the deafault conservatory undergrad audition piece, perhaps because it is played too often and often badly - I just can't feel anything for it anymore, so my ranking of it may be affected by this.

I think the greatest work, almost unarguably, is the 4th ballade. The Scope of emotions, mastery of the counterpoint, variety of beautiful melodies and almost impressionistic textures in this piece place it at the top. I can't bring to mind any other piece in the piano literature that captures the same type of intensity this ballade does at the crashing chords that are before the coda. John Ogdon likened this piece to Fitzgerald' "the last Tycoon", in it's "romantic communion of unparalled proportions."

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#1297230 - 10/31/09 01:17 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Opus_Maximus]
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What an awesome thread! And ... KHAN!!
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#1297235 - 10/31/09 01:29 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
What is inflammatory about saying the Chopin Fantasy is uninteresting? It's just an opinion. And, how is stating that opinion in the way it was done a breach of forum rules?

It's not, and that's plainly not what I said in either instance.

Twisting other people's words is the refuge of the rabbit hole. Any port in a storm, I guess. frown

Steven


Interesting, since you're the one who introduced the word inflammatory. What did you mean then, since it had to do with a stated opinion about a piece?

You seem to be getting into an argumentative mode. I'm simply making a point that it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course.

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#1297237 - 10/31/09 01:31 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: eweiss]
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4 Ballades, 4 Bcherzos, the Barcarole and the Fantasy (in F minor) in the order of preference?

I've played Ballades 3 & 4, Scherzos 1, 2, & 3, and the Fantasy.

As my moods change so does my preference for one of the pieces. They are all wonderful pieces tho I'm not too fond of the second ballade. It's nice but I prefer almost everything else to that. The Barcarole is nice too, but have no inclination to play it. I would rather just listen to it.

I think, for difficulty, the 4th ballade and Fantasy would top my list. That does not imply that the other pieces do not have difficulties as well. I was enthralled by Hofmann's 1st Scherzo and Barere's 3rd Scherzo and 1st Ballade. Anyway, I think the choice of favorites is personal as to quality and difficulty and I choose to just enjoy all of them as beautiful pieces I like to work on and play.

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#1297239 - 10/31/09 01:33 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Varcon]
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Interesting, Varcon. What did you find difficult about the Fantasy that you would rank it as one of the more difficult?

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#1297245 - 10/31/09 01:48 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Phlebas:

Don't you think they all have difficulties of varying degrees? And technical abilities vary, too, from one individual to another. Rare is the person who has a 'complete' technique in every aspect and that means technical facility as well as interpretive ability.

I think, to answer your question, it is that the Fantasy is a bit longer and perhaps took me longer to work through it. I will admit to being a LOUSY sight-reader and defer to almost anyone in that area. I continually work on improving my technique tho and I am pretty good in that aspect. But I take my time in learning to play a piece and and use the metronome to keep it under control until nearing a date to perform and then I do drop the metronome but keep up hands separately and SLOW< SLOW< SLOW practice.


Edited by Varcon (10/31/09 01:52 PM)

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#1297265 - 10/31/09 02:19 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Interesting, since you're the one who introduced the word inflammatory. What did you mean then, since it had to do with a stated opinion about a piece?

You seem to be getting into an argumentative mode. I'm simply making a point that it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course.

You claim that "[p]eople should just express their opinions," yet you didn't seem to care for or "understand" my opinion that people should make clear when they're offering an opinion versus a statement of fact. That's standard netiquette, it's a social nicety, and it promotes discussion instead of antagonism. Again, these points were made in the Hamelin thread.

When someone says, as here, that the Fantaisie is "not a technically-demanding piece," that reads to me like a statement of fact. To anyone who's unacquainted with the piece and therefore doesn't recognize the absurdity of that declaration, it would be taken as a statement of fact. If it wasn't meant as one, how hard would it have been to add the words for me?

Consider "Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting." That reads like a statement of fact, too, though unless the writer has the credibility of a professional critic, one might not give it such weight. As a statement of opinion—and coupled with the previous suggestion that the Fantaisie is a high-school-level technical trifle—it comes across as supercilious. How hard would it have been to add the words to me? Without the disclaimer that it's just an opinion, it's inflammatory.

This is at least the third time that you have taken issue with me for addressing what I believed to be improper or wrong and chosen instead to defend the impropriety. You state your opinion that you don't like my opinion; when I defend myself, you depict me as "petulant" and "argumentative." That's inflammatory.

You seem to think "it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course," except when that someone is me. You conflate "forum rules" with the simple and long-established conventions of netiquette that act as a social lubricant where the written word is relied upon in the absence of any other kinds of nuances or cues. You have defended violations of netiquette and even forum rules concerning vulgarity when it meant you could take a cheap shot at me instead. You have distorted my words to give cover to your agenda.

I think everyone should expect better from a moderator.

Steven
_________________________

"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297271 - 10/31/09 02:32 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Varcon]
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Originally Posted By: Varcon
Phlebas:

Don't you think they all have difficulties of varying degrees? And technical abilities vary, too, from one individual to another. Rare is the person who has a 'complete' technique in every aspect and that means technical facility as well as interpretive ability.

I think, to answer your question, it is that the Fantasy is a bit longer and perhaps took me longer to work through it. I will admit to being a LOUSY sight-reader and defer to almost anyone in that area. I continually work on improving my technique tho and I am pretty good in that aspect. But I take my time in learning to play a piece and and use the metronome to keep it under control until nearing a date to perform and then I do drop the metronome but keep up hands separately and SLOW< SLOW< SLOW practice.


Certainly, they all have difficulties. I hope I didn't imply that they didn't. Any of the ones I played took a lot of work.

I was just wondering what aspect of the Fantasy you found more difficult. Thanks you. I also think the length of the Fantasy might add to its difficulty.

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#1297274 - 10/31/09 02:42 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Interesting, since you're the one who introduced the word inflammatory. What did you mean then, since it had to do with a stated opinion about a piece?

You seem to be getting into an argumentative mode. I'm simply making a point that it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course.

You claim that "[p]eople should just express their opinions," yet you didn't seem to care for or "understand" my opinion that people should make clear when they're offering an opinion versus a statement of fact. That's standard netiquette, it's a social nicety, and it promotes discussion instead of antagonism. Again, these points were made in the Hamelin thread.

When someone says, as here, that the Fantaisie is "not a technically-demanding piece," that reads to me like a statement of fact. To anyone who's unacquainted with the piece and therefore doesn't recognize the absurdity of that declaration, it would be taken as a statement of fact. If it wasn't meant as one, how hard would it have been to add the words for me?

Consider "Chopin wrote stuff that's more interesting. Much more interesting." That reads like a statement of fact, too, though unless the writer has the credibility of a professional critic, one might not give it such weight. As a statement of opinion—and coupled with the previous suggestion that the Fantaisie is a high-school-level technical trifle—it comes across as supercilious. How hard would it have been to add the words to me? Without the disclaimer that it's just an opinion, it's inflammatory.

This is at least the third time that you have taken issue with me for addressing what I believed to be improper or wrong and chosen instead to defend the impropriety. You state your opinion that you don't like my opinion; when I defend myself, you depict me as "petulant" and "argumentative." That's inflammatory.

You seem to think "it's ok for someone to express an opinion in a way they see fit - within the parameters of the rules, of course," except when that someone is me. You conflate "forum rules" with the simple and long-established conventions of netiquette that act as a social lubricant where the written word is relied upon in the absence of any other kinds of nuances or cues. You have defended violations of netiquette and even forum rules concerning vulgarity when it meant you could take a cheap shot at me instead. You have distorted my words to give cover to your agenda.

I think everyone should expect better from a moderator.

Steven


Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.

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#1297277 - 10/31/09 02:50 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.

Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297291 - 10/31/09 03:29 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
Varcon Offline
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To rate the difficulty I would have to get the music out again as it has been some time since I played it. The descending triplet figures were especially annoying with the intervalic distance. In the 4th Ballade the double note passage is especially difficult to control the balance between the melodic intent and the lower notes to keep from making it mush.

Anyway, I enjoy working on the difficulties and do get frustrated at times while doing doing it!! But practice is 'fun' to me and the challenge is good too. I think a face to face discussion would be best as then one can do a 'show and tell' on the various facets of difficulty and technique.

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#1297350 - 10/31/09 06:08 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: sotto voce]
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Posts: 4654
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.



Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven


/ignore


Edited by Phlebas (10/31/09 06:09 PM)

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#1297370 - 10/31/09 06:45 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
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Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 6163
Loc: Briarcliff Manor, NY, USA
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.



Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven


/ignore

Q.E.D.
_________________________

"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297384 - 10/31/09 07:17 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Phlebas]
Horowitzian Offline
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Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.



Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven


/ignore


I can't help but think that that's a bloody pompous thing for you to say to a user who can't ignore you if he wanted to.
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

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#1297428 - 10/31/09 08:30 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Horowitzian]
sotto voce Offline
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Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 6163
Loc: Briarcliff Manor, NY, USA
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
I can't help but think that that's a bloody pompous thing for you to say to a user who can't ignore you if he wanted to.

I wouldn't expect otherwise of a moderator who, in addition to all the abuses of his position I mentioned previously, insults members with impunity, chooses to publicly participate in and escalate a disagreement rather than defuse it, and is openly dismissive of netiquette.

Steven
_________________________

"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
—Albert Schweitzer

Chopin: Allegro de Concert Op. 46
Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
Fauré: Ballade Op. 19

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#1297437 - 10/31/09 08:52 PM Re: To rank the Chopin Ballades, Scherzos, Barcarole and Fantasy [Re: Horowitzian]
Phlebas Offline


Registered: 01/02/03
Posts: 4654
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Originally Posted By: sotto voce
Originally Posted By: Phlebas
Sv,

Get off your high horse. I argue with a lot of people here. Don't primp yourself into thinking you're singled out at all. That's not the case.

You have the right to your opinion. So does everyone else. It's not your job to set the tone here. There's a variety of posting styles here, and it's presumptuous of you to go around correcting people.

That's the last thing I have to say to you on the subject.



Q.E.D., and I hope it's the last thing you ever have to say to me about any subject.

If you can tell me to "get off my high horse" in public, how come I couldn't tell you what to do in private without you crying to Frank about it?

I wonder how high your horse was when you addressed me with phrases like "Nice try," "Face it" and "Guess what?" the last time you picked a fight with me—and how high it is now saying things like "Don't primp yourself."

What's "presumptuous," in my opinion, is you telling me about "my job" considering your tenuous grasp of the responsibilities, authority and circumspection appropriate to a moderator.

Steven


/ignore


I can't help but think that that's a bloody pompous thing for you to say to a user who can't ignore you if he wanted to.


I said it out in the open.

I don't have anyone on ignore status. You can't really put annoying posters on ignore when you're a moderator. You generally have to read the stupid and/or dysfunctional things they post.

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