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#1296756 - 10/30/09 04:19 PM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: Horowitzian]
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Hi Horowitzian,

On the Bortkiewicz 33/7 sounding a bit out of tune, there were a couple of factors at play to cause it. I had the Baldwin restrung in 2007, and when I made this particular recording thereafter, the new strings had not yet fully stretched to reach full tuning stability. So certain strings could have slipped. The other factor was that this was of my very last analog recordings prior to going digital. Cassette recording tape can have small speed variations, perhaps due to a combination of mechanical reasons and tiny changes in electric current. So that older analog technology could produce "wow and flutter" which also gives the impression that some pitches are off. Someday I plan to go back, relearn that piece, and re-record it digitally. I think it will make a major difference in the sound. And it's such a gorgeous piece, it would be well worth the effort!

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#1296915 - 10/30/09 10:34 PM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: RachFan]
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I see. Yeah, analog recording can have those difficulties. And fresh strings too. Thanks for the info! smile

I encourage you to record it with your current setup; it will sound wonderful I'm sure! smile
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#1297529 - 11/01/09 01:26 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: Horowitzian]
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Hi RachFan,

I've been tardy in downloading and listening to this piece, but now I have. Congratulations! Yet another volley against the fog of anonymity surrounding Catoire, eh? Well-done piece; as someone else said, it feels unstructured, yet not random. You've done quite nicely here.

And though I don't have an iPod, I already have a RachFan music folder on my PC, where I've downloaded and kept your recordings. Not quite a playlist, but the next best thing. :-)

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#1297656 - 11/01/09 10:30 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: ChrisKeys]
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for listening and for your comments. Also I'm very flattered that you keep a music file of my recordings. Thanks!! Yes, I was aware of walking a fine line between unstructured sound and randomness. Where this is a reverie, Catoire very cleverly worked toward the unstructured using devices like syncopation, ties, broken chords, polyrhythms, etc. The dream state is very unstructured, of course, and he achieved the effect masterfully. But where there IS structure and discipline in the score, it has to be observed by the performer. As I was working through this Op. 24, people would say a certain piece was their favorite. And when I ended with this No. 1, they said, "No, this one is my favorite!" I think what it shows is that virtually all of Catoire's pieces are very good indeed, which pays a high compliment to the composer.

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#1297883 - 11/01/09 06:58 PM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: RachFan]
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Updated playlist. smile
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#1297928 - 11/01/09 08:27 PM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: Horowitzian]
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Wow! That's a lot of pieces learned and recorded over the last couple of years. But I cannot think of anything I'd rather be doing! Thanks for reposting the completed list.

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#1298010 - 11/02/09 12:21 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: RachFan]
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You should be proud of yourself. It's a prodigous achievement; one that not so many amateurs (I assume you are an amateur?) have achieved. You're welcome! smile
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#1298017 - 11/02/09 12:43 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: Horowitzian]
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Yes, I'm an amateur. So the struggles are much greater for me than for the pros. But mostly I'm happy to have been able to help these long-gone, neglected composers in a positive way.

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#1298018 - 11/02/09 12:46 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: RachFan]
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You play extremely well; any struggle isn't evident to the listener. smile And you are doing these composers a great service by giving them exposure here. thumb
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#1298772 - 11/03/09 09:55 AM Re: G. Catoire, Chants du Crepuscule, Op. 24, No. 1 [Re: Horowitzian]
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Thanks for those kind words!

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