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#1299625 - 11/04/09 07:15 PM I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano!
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Just came back from a lesson and am frustrated that I couldn't show what I could "do" with a couple of pieces I've worked so hard on!! grrrrrrrh!! By the time we discuss & go over certain passages a few times during the lesson- sure, by then I've adjusted to the keyboard and play better because of "that" ... not because I was told to use more pp or mp! I know very well what I wanted to do with my dynamic control- but just couldn't do it. My piano has such heavy action and I tend to play heavy... I suppose I'll learn to adjust more quickly as I physical control improves. Okay- just venting! I do not want to ever say "I played it better at home" because everyone does. If I could only have an hour alone with my teacher's piano, on a weekly basis, I think it would really help.
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#1299651 - 11/04/09 08:26 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: P I A N O piano]
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Its a lot easier to adjust if your hands are warmed up, try that before your lesson.

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#1299656 - 11/04/09 08:35 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: P I A N O piano]
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I felt that way too when taking lessons. Teacher had a Baldwin which I swear had wider keys and very hard action. I called it the Mac Truck of all pianos I'd had lessons on.
(Loved an old Chickering with one particular teacher....)

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#1299670 - 11/04/09 09:05 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: P I A N O piano]
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I view it as a chance to practice an important skill, playing on someone elses piano. My teachers pianos are also very different from my own. And when I play on the piano at my mom's retirement community, it's also very different. And the one at work is also very different. etc etc
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#1299673 - 11/04/09 09:09 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: riley80]
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I feel the same way! My teacher has a Steinway from Russia with an extremely mellow tone and a heavier action which she clearly loves, but I am always taken aback by it as my piano is almost the exact opposite of hers (very bright and a much lighter action).

Perhaps you could talk with your teacher at your next lesson. Juat be honest and explain the situation. I'm sure he/she wants the best for you. Perhaps even half an hour before your lesson would be enough? And yes, definitely warm up. Play a few scales, chords, arpeggios, etc. When you're playing scales, play them at a moderate tempo but make each note very loud- apparently this gets your blood rushing through the fingers quickly. And wear gloves! Literally keep your fingers warm on your way to your teacher's.

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#1299676 - 11/04/09 09:18 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: whatevsyo]
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I know just what you mean. My teacher's Steinway has heavier action than mine and I never play my best for her.

My last teacher gave me no sympathy at all when I complained about his piano. He rightly said I have to learn to adjust to any instrument because I can't carry mine around in a case over my shoulder.
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#1299681 - 11/04/09 09:28 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: gooddog]
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My issue was just the opposite. My teachers had concert grand Steinways that were glorious to play. I would come home to play my upright, feeling deflated frown
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#1299690 - 11/04/09 09:46 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: Barb860]
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I have the same problem. I don't know how it is that pianists are supposed to learn how to "adjust to any instrument", and I doubt it's really possible. In general, the better regulated and tuned a piano is, the easier it is to play, regardless of what you're used to.

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#1299695 - 11/04/09 09:57 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: gooddog]
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Originally Posted By: gooddog
My last teacher gave me no sympathy at all when I complained about his piano. He rightly said I have to learn to adjust to any instrument because I can't carry mine around in a case over my shoulder.


I hate to say this but your teacher is correct. A pianist has to play on whatever piano on the stage and try to make the best of it.

I went to some piano competitions where the practice/warm-up pianos are totally different from the stage piano. Different sound, different touch, different pedal sensitivity, different bench height. A contestant practiced for like 2 hours on one piano, then a few minutes later, performed on something else of the opposite extreme.

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#1299702 - 11/04/09 10:15 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: gooddog]
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Originally Posted By: gooddog
I know just what you mean. My teacher's Steinway has heavier action than mine and I never play my best for her.

My last teacher gave me no sympathy at all when I complained about his piano. He rightly said I have to learn to adjust to any instrument because I can't carry mine around in a case over my shoulder.

Precisely. That may certainly be the reason why you're not playing as good as you do at home, but that doesn't change the fact that you are not able to play that way on an unfamiliar instrument. Are you going to take your piano with you to perform everywhere? Unless you are rich enough for that, you will have to learn to adjust to the instrument faster.

A quick solution may be (even though this will take up some time) is to do a "practice run" of the piece during your lesson. Maybe even the first page or two will be enough to get you warmed up to it. Ask your teacher if you can do this and if she can withhold any comments until you play it "for real" the 2nd time through.

However, the bigger problem has to do with your listening skills. One you play a note a couple of times, you should have a good idea of what to expect from the notes in that range, so the next note in that area you can compensate. For example, if you are playing a high note and it doesn't ring out like you thought it should, then you'll have to give it some extra juice the next time you are up there. Things like that.
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#1299707 - 11/04/09 10:35 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: Morodiene]
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I have the opposite problem but I know what you mean. However, as pianists, we're ideally supposed to be able to adjust to pianos. Try playing different pianos whenever you can!
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#1299828 - 11/05/09 07:38 AM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: akonow]
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Most of the pianists on this thread aren't professionals who are going to "perform" very much except maybe at their teacher's recital. So I think the argument saying "What are going to do when you perform, take your piano with you?" is too severe.

Perhaps the teacher can agree to let the student warm up on their piano for 10 minutes? This may be of some help.

The professional pianists who give recitals at Mannes in NYC are often given several hours of practice time on the piano they will use even though it's a Steinway D, a model which they've probably played many times. Same with the recitalists at Carnegie Hall. And when a pro plays a concerto he gets to rehearse with the orchestra on the piano he'll be using(and may very well rehearse by himself on that piano also).

At the piano competitions at Mannes, once the field is down to a small number of contestants, they are also given practice to get used to the piano.

Of course, for a student taking a lesson the reality is that usually there would be little or no time to warm up. But I don't think that this should mean one shouldn't be sympathetic to the difficulties of adjusting to a new piano.

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#1299840 - 11/05/09 08:13 AM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus

The professional pianists who give recitals at Mannes in NYC are often given several hours of practice time on the piano they will use even though it's a Steinway D, a model which they've probably played many times. Same with the recitalists at Carnegie Hall. And when a pro plays a concerto he gets to rehearse with the orchestra on the piano he'll be using(and may very well rehearse by himself on that piano also).


It should also be pointed out that the pianos professionals play on feel surprisingly similar to each other, compared to the incredible variety found "in the wild." One should keep that in mind when hearing professionals talk about adjusting to different pianos.

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#1299851 - 11/05/09 08:35 AM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: whatevsyo]
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Originally Posted By: Remnant
My teacher has a Steinway from Russia...


I didn't know that they were made in Russia. grin

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#1299862 - 11/05/09 09:05 AM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: LisztAddict]
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This reminds me of the story of the guy who did a gig at a 4 hour wedding reception, playing soft background music, I guess. No sustain pedal!! Can you imagine the torture and the probable comments from non-playing listeners? He probably needed three martinis after that episode.

I accompanied once on an old clunker with no middle D. I nearly swore out loud.

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#1299871 - 11/05/09 09:37 AM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: riley80]
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P I A N O piano, hang in there. It's unfortunately a fact of life. I find that my mindset greatly affects how I play, though this is easier said than done. Many times while playing a different instrument I have to make a solid effort to overcome that "I play better on MY piano" mentality, and just try to do the best I can with what I have. Sounds silly and trivial, but it works for me. Also, when I walk into my teacher's studio, I always "caress" the keys and feel out a few chords as we're talking a bit before jumping into my pieces. I'm not talking fff chords and scales here, but just a few quick "feels" helps when I'm ready to play that first note.

Originally Posted By: riley80
I accompanied once on an old clunker with no middle D. I nearly swore out loud.
Funny, I had a problem with the middle D sticking once, but the biggest problem was that it held the note each time.

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#1300029 - 11/05/09 02:19 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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At a friend's parents' house, the piano had two F keys that wouldn't sound. Drove me batty. After the first one or two visits where I tried to play, I had to start saying "I haven't learned anything that doesn't have F's yet." The first time I said that, the response was, "Oh, when will you start?"

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#1300061 - 11/05/09 03:32 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Most of the pianists on this thread aren't professionals who are going to "perform" very much except maybe at their teacher's recital. So I think the argument saying "What are going to do when you perform, take your piano with you?" is too severe.

Perhaps the teacher can agree to let the student warm up on their piano for 10 minutes? This may be of some help.

The professional pianists who give recitals at Mannes in NYC are often given several hours of practice time on the piano they will use even though it's a Steinway D, a model which they've probably played many times. Same with the recitalists at Carnegie Hall. And when a pro plays a concerto he gets to rehearse with the orchestra on the piano he'll be using(and may very well rehearse by himself on that piano also).

At the piano competitions at Mannes, once the field is down to a small number of contestants, they are also given practice to get used to the piano.

Of course, for a student taking a lesson the reality is that usually there would be little or no time to warm up. But I don't think that this should mean one shouldn't be sympathetic to the difficulties of adjusting to a new piano.






I was not unsympathetic as I gave means of solving this problem. I said that to explain that *every* pianist has this problem when they perform unless they perform in their home.

It is best to focus on the solution, and not the problem.
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#1300069 - 11/05/09 03:43 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Most of the pianists on this thread aren't professionals who are going to "perform" very much except maybe at their teacher's recital. So I think the argument saying "What are going to do when you perform, take your piano with you?" is too severe.

Perhaps the teacher can agree to let the student warm up on their piano for 10 minutes? This may be of some help.

The professional pianists who give recitals at Mannes in NYC are often given several hours of practice time on the piano they will use even though it's a Steinway D, a model which they've probably played many times. Same with the recitalists at Carnegie Hall. And when a pro plays a concerto he gets to rehearse with the orchestra on the piano he'll be using(and may very well rehearse by himself on that piano also).

At the piano competitions at Mannes, once the field is down to a small number of contestants, they are also given practice to get used to the piano.

Of course, for a student taking a lesson the reality is that usually there would be little or no time to warm up. But I don't think that this should mean one shouldn't be sympathetic to the difficulties of adjusting to a new piano.

I was not unsympathetic as I gave means of solving this problem. I said that to explain that *every* pianist has this problem when they perform unless they perform in their home.

It is best to focus on the solution, and not the problem.


Yes, but my point was that professional pianists giving recitals or concerto performances often don't have the problem because they are given ample time to practice on the piano they will play. And amateurs usually don't do that much performing, if any.

I also think the main problem in adjusting to a new piano is not an aural but a physical one of the fingers getting used to the feel of the piano. After playing a fairly heavy Mason A for a year, I began rehearsing for a musical on a digital. It was incredibly hard to control for the first half hour because I was going from a heavy action to a very light one.


Edited by pianoloverus (11/05/09 03:51 PM)

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#1300176 - 11/05/09 08:14 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: pianoloverus]
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Yes- I really just need about 10 minutes- maybe not a whole hour! I have a piano with very heavy action at home and my teacher's piano is very light and responsive. Usually what happens is that the first few lines or measures do not come out like I would have wanted- I may play an intended "p" as "mp" and so it goes that I am adjusting a bit louder throughout, since I calibrated my control (so-to-speak) when not used to the piano. Then, after I play the piece I am criticized for my dynamic control! I don't want to make excuses, so I just play portions of it again better- and that is the lesson....rather frustrating.
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#1300182 - 11/05/09 08:27 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: P I A N O piano]
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Do you have a few minutes to warm up before you start playing a piece? Could you request it? Also, I'm wondering whether you have discussed this with your teacher and asked him what kinds of strategies you could use. After all, adjusting to different pianos is part of the skills that a pianist has to acquire. Just some thoughts.

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#1300199 - 11/05/09 09:23 PM Re: I need an hour alone with my teacher's piano! [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus


Yes, but my point was that professional pianists giving recitals or concerto performances often don't have the problem because they are given ample time to practice on the piano they will play. And amateurs usually don't do that much performing, if any.

I also think the main problem in adjusting to a new piano is not an aural but a physical one of the fingers getting used to the feel of the piano. After playing a fairly heavy Mason A for a year, I began rehearsing for a musical on a digital. It was incredibly hard to control for the first half hour because I was going from a heavy action to a very light one.


Which is why my suggestion was to play through the piece once without the teacher giving comment, just to get used to it, then play it again "for real". I have a young student who does this, and I have no problem letting her if it helps her feel more comfortable.
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