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#1296076 - 10/29/09 01:57 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: appleman]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By: appleman
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
grandpianoman, I saw that video the other day...really makes you think. Why have there not been studies done on the people who have supposedly died from the swine flu to find out if it was the flu or other health issues that caused the death?

Beware of anyone selling you something, newspapers or alternatives to proven medical treatments. The CBS article is yellow journalism at it's finest. The reason the tests were stopped was because they were extremely expensive, and most state health departments cannot afford to continue testing. They also had no effect on actual patient treatment, because they take days to get results.

No one is trying to sell me anything, I assure you. I know there's a lot of misinformation out there from all sectors. I don't think it's a matter of testing everyone to see if it's the swine flu or not that is at issue (correct me if I am misunderstanding what you're trying to say). Of course, testing a patient does take time to find out what the problem is, and there's really no treatment for the flu. However, I think it would be very helpful to know if people who are dying from the swine flu are dying from that or from complications with other pre-existing conditions. For the majority of people for whom the swine flu is not deadly, the best immunity is a natural one, as you state with regard to the elderly.
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#1296123 - 10/29/09 03:32 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
No one is trying to sell me anything, I assure you.
The link, Dr. Mercola's Natural Health Center, is promoting pseudoscience wellness treatments for both people and pets!

The CBS story is also trying to sell newspapers and advertisements.

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I know there's a lot of misinformation out there from all sectors.
I agree there is a lot of misinformation from both News Papers selling the extreme danger and the conspiracy theorists who believe "Big Pharma" is conspire to make you unhealthy and has just the thing for $19.99.
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However, I think it would be very helpful to know if people who are dying from the swine flu are dying from that or from complications with other pre-existing conditions.

While I agree it would be very helpful to know if everyone who died had pre-existing conditions, however, are you willing to accept an increase in taxes to pay for that kind of testing?

The CDC estimates that 45% of people are completely healthy. They don't test everyone for pre-existing conditions, they just do random sampling. While random sampling is not always perfectly accurate, it can be compared to other sampling.

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For the majority of people for whom the swine flu is not deadly, the best immunity is a natural one, as you state with regard to the elderly.
No. I stated that the elderly are immune because they were exposed to swine flu in the 1970s.

The best defense is to get immunized for children and young adults. Older adults, especially those around during the late 1970's are immune and shouldn't bother.
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#1296290 - 10/29/09 08:01 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: appleman]
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Originally Posted By: appleman
I stated that the elderly are immune because they were exposed to swine flu in the 1970s.

The best defense is to get immunized for children and young adults. Older adults, especially those around during the late 1970's are immune and shouldn't bother.


Sorry, that's not correct. Only people born in the early 50s have a slight immunity to this strain. Maybe you're mixing it up with the Hong Kong flu?
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#1296456 - 10/30/09 05:44 AM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Ebony and Ivory]
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I read a nice little history of H1N1 in New Scientist recently:-

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18063-timeline-the-secret-history-of-swine-flu.html?full=true

And if anybody is interested, IMO a great site for up-to-date info is:-

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org
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#1296687 - 10/30/09 02:14 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: LaValse]
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Thanks LaValse for the history of H1N1...very informative. Whether you choose vaccination or not...I think it's important to have someone remind parents to keep their kids away from cigarette smoke.

Think of this huge tobacco industry, and how many adults and kids are exposed to smoke daily. I suspect it is a factor in why some kids succumb to a flu virus that the vast majority have no problem with.

But gathering information in this area is sensitive...who wants to try to find out how much kids are exposed to second hand cigarette (and marajuana) smoke? Parents are likely to get offended and lie anyway. Still, I think this is important information to know. Even if parents refuse to stop smoking around the kids...they perhaps should be targeted for vaccine. Let health officials announce that if you smoke around your child that it affects the child's ability to recover from the flu. Emphasize it, take it seriously. And also target these at risk kids for vaccination. As I mentioned before...I am interested in "the rest of the story".
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#1296694 - 10/30/09 02:25 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Ann in Kentucky]
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How about having a real "war on drugs" and begin by banning cigarette sales during flu outbreaks! That would throw people into a tailspin. LOL! But it would also protect the health of many children (IMO).
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#1296749 - 10/30/09 04:05 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Ann in Kentucky]
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Got another student out with the flu this week. Does this thing ever end??

All the other students recovered their health, but not their piano playing. They have so much school work to make up, they put piano on the back burner.
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#1296815 - 10/30/09 05:43 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: AZNpiano]
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I haven't had anyone sick with the specific flu yet, but I'd be willing to say that if it hits all at once, there will be a week or two or up to a month of interrupted lessons.

I would think this puts the student behind in every area of his or her life. They do answer to many masters. And, I think the seriousness of what they experienced in being sick has left them with a lot less energy than they had before. It may take a little recovery time to get back into the full schedule and be producing well in all areas.

I'd be willing to wait that period out because well being and productivity is not something you can demand if there has been an illness that affected all systems of the body and brain.

I'd advise giving the student time to regain their footing before expecting the pace to increase. I would never consider piano lessons as being the "back burner". There is always something constructive that can be done at a lesson.

As a mother, I've had children of my own who were ill with different things - mono, virus, flu, a one month in hospital bed recovery from a broken shoulder, knee injuries, and 2 of my daughters have my weak immune system which means when we get ill it's harder on us, longer in every way and we feel absolutely lousy when sick. One grandchild also inherited this. When you have experience in caring for sick people, you gain a wealth of experience in knowing what recovery periods are like.

I'm sorry you feel this way about your students because it is actually more about your expectations of producing competitively focused students regardless of the circumstances they are facing.

I think giving yourself a temporary break from this agenda for your sick students will make you a more compassionate teacher. Otherwise the picture I am seeing is that it's all about time and effort and proficiency and winning more than it is about the inspiration of having music in their lives. I think we all need some balance in determining what are the best ways to handle certain challenges and interruptions to our ambitions. It serves no purpose to be irate about things like this.

I don't think we were talking about students taking advantage of the situation - we were talking about - when there are serious interruptions to the flow of our aspirations.

I don't think illness and recovery can be hurried.

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#1298652 - 11/03/09 03:30 AM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Betty Patnude]
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#1299538 - 11/04/09 04:31 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Grandpianoman]
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I kid you not--one more student out with the flu today!

This past Saturday and Monday, two students had their regularly-scheduled lessons after recovering from the flu. It was an exercise in sight reading.



I have never seen so many kids out sick, and it's still early in the flu season. This is projecting to be a horrible winter.
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#1299778 - 11/05/09 03:18 AM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: AZNpiano]
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AZN piano just chill out with the students, it's not like they are asking to get sick!! And ease them slowly back into learning. It's the same as if you had a knee injury and rehabbed to go skiing. You don't go 100% right away.

Remember, the music is most important, not how fast they learn, not how well they do. Piano to most students would rank 4th or 5th in priority to school, sports, friends, etc...

They already have enough pressure as it is so give them a break.

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#1299933 - 11/05/09 11:30 AM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: AZNpiano]
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Loc: northern California
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
I kid you not--one more student out with the flu today!

This past Saturday and Monday, two students had their regularly-scheduled lessons after recovering from the flu. It was an exercise in sight reading.



I have never seen so many kids out sick, and it's still early in the flu season. This is projecting to be a horrible winter.


I share your frustration! With performances and competitions coming up, are you scaling back on goals for your students (number of pieces, difficulty of pieces, overall progress, etc)?
My students have a holiday recital coming up in mid-December. Many are missing lessons and practicing due to illness.
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#1299934 - 11/05/09 11:31 AM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Grandpianoman]
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Loc: northern California
Originally Posted By: grandpianoman


Very interesting info on that video, thanks for sharing, I'm passing it around myself (not the flu, the article :))
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#1299953 - 11/05/09 12:21 PM Re: The H1N1 Exception [Re: Barb860]
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Hi, Barb:

As much as I would like to scale back, I can't scale back on anything! These students signed up to take a test at a certain level next March. I've already picked the easiest pieces and shortest pieces for several of these sick kids. Some of them picked more ambitious pieces, but since they're already more than halfway through the pieces, I shouldn't pick new ones. And that's just the performance portion. I haven't even begun to explain how behind they are in theory and technique.

Deadlines don't change as a result of students' illnesses. I wish more students would observe good personal hygiene and stay away from sick individuals who roam their classrooms.
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