Which concerti don't have cadenzas?

I've heard Chopin #1 and Brahms #2 quite a bit and don't remember cadenzas, but I'm not sure? Others??

There are public-domain editions of the scores, so you could always have a look-see for yourself.

Steven

I'm not sure how the suggestion of looking at public domain scores makes sense because 1) cadenzas are not always marked, and 2) there are an awful lot of concertos that are not in public domain.

For example, a lot of people consider the piano solo at about measure 11 of the Brahms 2 a cadenza, but it's not marked as such. Also, there is a section of one of the Shostakovich's concertos that is piano solo, and sounds like a fugue. You would have to see the score - not in public domain - to see if it was marked as a cadenza.

I don't believe the Chopin op. 11 has a cadenza, but I could be wrong.

I didn't think the question referred to all concertos in existence; surely the great majority of piano concertos in the standard performing repertoire—sorry, I don't have an exact percentage—are available in non-copyrighted editions. In any case, the two concertos referred to in the OP are public domain.

What defines a cadenza, anyway? If a concerto has a fermata on a dominant chord before the return of a tutti where a cadenza may be inserted or improvised, is the concerto said to have a cadenza? Or does "cadenza" only apply to those that are written out by the composer? In the latter case, a cadenza isn't necessarily labeled as such; therefore, absence of such a marking wouldn't be dispositive in the Shostakovich or any other concerto.

If the definition of cadenza is seriously to be stretched to include the first unaccompanied passage by the soloist just 11 bars from the start of a movement—something hitherto unknown to me!—or to any unaccompanied passage at all rather than the climactic episode it's generally understood to refer to, then the question, in my opinion, becomes completely meaningless.

Steven

My question isn't about just two concerti. I mentioned two as possible answers among potentially many others to the opening question on my OP. Even if the question was only about all the concerti in the standard domain, the suggestion of going through them all was beyond impractical.

I thought of the question because I had been listening to the last movement of Chopin PC #1 began thinking if there was a cadenza anywhere in the concerto. Then I began wondering if there were any other concerti that had no cadenza and why the composer would decide to do this. For the Chopin #1, I guess this approach makes sense reasonable because the orchestral writing is minimal throughout while the piano writing is brilliant and almost non stop.

Cadenza basically means cadence, and a standard cadenza is any unaccompanied passages that serves to set up a strong cadence, usually towards the end of the movement. Good modern examples include the slow movement of Prokofiev 5 and the first movement of the Barber (which has two cadenzas, one that opens the piece and introduces the orchestra's entrance, and one towards the end that introduces the return of the tonic.)

In classical era concerti, there's also the idea of an "eingang" or "entrance," where a very brief unaccompanied passage serves to introduce the entry of the solo instrument. These are occasionally written out, but not always, and very few pianists actually observe them, despite being quite common in Mozart concerti.

Any others besides Chopin PC #1 without cadenzas??

Chopin No. 2. Also, I'd say that Prokofiev 3 doesn't have one (at least not an unaccompanied one).