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#1228829 - 07/09/09 07:20 AM Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises??
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Please ,does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises??
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#1228931 - 07/09/09 12:42 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: ferenc_liszt]
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Apparently there were 12 volumes of technical works by Liszt. Associated Music Publishers has a volume of selected studies chosen by Elyse Mach and it's entitled THE LISZT STUDIES. You might check that out. There doesn't seem to be an IBSN number.


Edited by Varcon (07/09/09 02:07 PM)

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#1228963 - 07/09/09 01:59 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Varcon]
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I couldn't find the PDF file with a quick search on google, but you can register at www.pianofiles.com
once in just search for "liszt technical exercises" without quotes and you'll get the users who have that sheet, then just click one of the users or some of them and send them an email asking for the sheet. If you're lucky they'll send it to you without asking for something in exchange


Edited by r1card0 (07/09/09 02:01 PM)

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#1228987 - 07/09/09 03:28 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: r1card0]
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I have them in a PDF file on my home computer. It's quite a big file, can't be sent by e-mail. I'll upload and post a link when I'm home.

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#1228996 - 07/09/09 03:47 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Liszt_BG]
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Originally Posted By: Liszt_BG
I have them in a PDF file on my home computer. It's quite a big file, can't be sent by e-mail. I'll upload and post a link when I'm home.


Thank you very much that's very kind of you I've always wanted to try them

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#1229006 - 07/09/09 04:09 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: r1card0]
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Oh, they are some nasty pieces of exercise;) You could really learn much from them although you need strong will not to quit, too!

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#1229021 - 07/09/09 04:53 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Liszt_BG]
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How do you recommend these exercises should be used? I've always wondered with the Hanon if one should play one piece a day or how many and so on. I'm really at a loss with piano exercises since I've never really done them, so I have no idea whatsoever how they're supposed to be used and which ones are the best.

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#1229185 - 07/09/09 11:09 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: r1card0]
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Thank you everyone for help! Im very grateful for your help. User contacted me over private msg and send this exercises to me. smile I cant wait to practice them... Has anyone have experience in practice of them. I think that this exercises should be practiced every day before playing - practicing the "real" program. Until now i have practiced every day scales and elements which comes with them, and i noticed that as time past i feel very comfortably with them and i feel that scales dont have much effect on me anymore. I try Brahms 51 exercises and find it to hard for me to be technical exercises which would i play evry day. Carl Tausig's exercises are to simple, but i think that Liszts exercises are concrete and very clear and best for me at this moment. I have one question. Liszt imagined that pianist should practice preparatory exercises before he plays scales (thats two first books of exercises). What do you think about that? I and many other pianist which i know are played imediatly scales.
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#1229306 - 07/10/09 04:45 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: ferenc_liszt]
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Okay, here it is, for everyone who wants it:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZHCZL06C

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#1229319 - 07/10/09 06:19 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Liszt_BG]
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Thank you for your help.
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#1229325 - 07/10/09 06:49 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Liszt_BG]
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Liszt_BG thank you for uploading Liszt technical exercises! Can you tell me does this exercises are scaned or writed in pdf format? If you understand what im asking you? Thanks.


Edited by ferenc_liszt (07/10/09 06:50 AM)
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#1229356 - 07/10/09 08:39 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: ferenc_liszt]
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It's an illegal scan of the Alfred edition.
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#1229469 - 07/10/09 11:58 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Kreisler]
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It is a scan of the actual book, very nicely done if you ask me as there's not much shade where the pages are binded together.

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#1229476 - 07/10/09 12:03 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: r1card0]
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On another related theme I think it would be nice if Piano World had its own sheet music collection. Like users could upload their sheet music for everyone else to download. I have over 40GB of sheet music in pdf and jpg and I would certainly contribute :P
In the meanwhile yesterday I came across a site where I found the Liszt Technical Exercises also and many other things:
http://tt.pianosheets.org/
It is invite only but when and if I get some invites I'll be glad to invite anyone who wants in. There are sheets for most instruments, including a lot of whole songbooks. You could also try http://www.waffles.fm/ or http://www.what.cd/ both of which are invite only, but sadly I don't belong to what and I lost my invites a while ago in waffles due to an irresponsible invitee. Those two sites are more focused on music though, as they have hundreds of thousands of music albums in different formats, as well as software, but the sheet music collection is also pretty good.

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#1230076 - 07/11/09 02:45 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: r1card0]
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Originally Posted By: r1card0
On another related theme I think it would be nice if Piano World had its own sheet music collection. Like users could upload their sheet music for everyone else to download. I have over 40GB of sheet music in pdf and jpg and I would certainly contribute :P
In the meanwhile yesterday I came across a site where I found the Liszt Technical Exercises also and many other things:
http://tt.pianosheets.org/
It is invite only but when and if I get some invites I'll be glad to invite anyone who wants in. There are sheets for most instruments, including a lot of whole songbooks. You could also try http://www.waffles.fm/ or http://www.what.cd/ both of which are invite only, but sadly I don't belong to what and I lost my invites a while ago in waffles due to an irresponsible invitee. Those two sites are more focused on music though, as they have hundreds of thousands of music albums in different formats, as well as software, but the sheet music collection is also pretty good.



Sounds great! I have a big collection of sheets myself, and will be happy to contribute.
As for the sites you mentioned it will really be nice if someone of us could get an invite and spread out to other members!

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#1230104 - 07/11/09 04:34 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercises?? [Re: Liszt_BG]
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I have pianosheets.org and will definitely post an invite offer thread when I get invites later on. With waffles I will never get invites but probably can hook people with one. For what I don't even have an account.

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#1230289 - 07/12/09 05:02 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: Kreisler]
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> It's an illegal scan of the Alfred edition.

I do not know about the law in other countries, but in Sweden the copyright expires 70 years after the author's death. Since Liszt died in 1886 it is no longer protected.
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#1230290 - 07/12/09 05:11 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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By the way, the posted link does not contain the complete studies. It is an abbreviate edition. I have got the complete edition collected in three volumes, where the last one contains twelve etudes.
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#1230342 - 07/12/09 09:56 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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Originally Posted By: David Ramezani
> It's an illegal scan of the Alfred edition.

I do not know about the law in other countries, but in Sweden the copyright expires 70 years after the author's death. Since Liszt died in 1886 it is no longer protected.


It's a little more complicated than that when you're dealing with music and editions. Since there is editorial content in the Alfred edition, the "author" is not just Liszt. Also, the copyright is held by the publisher. As a result, it is illegal to post it. Similarly, you cannot post complete scans of Henle scores of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven because there is editorial content in those scores.

If you happen to be an attorney who specializes in intellectual property law, and can refute this, however, I will defer to you.


Edited by Phlebas (07/12/09 09:58 AM)

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#1230358 - 07/12/09 10:32 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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Phlebas is correct - editions of works can be copyrighted, even when they contain material that is in the public domain.

For example, if I were writing a book on Liszt and wanted to include examples of the exercises, I could freely notate them with Finale and add them to the book; but I could not freely copy Alfred's edition into my book without permission.

(And Alfred would object - they're the reason nobody can distribute an arrangement of the happy birthday song - they own the copyright to it.)
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#1230384 - 07/12/09 11:30 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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Originally Posted By: David Ramezani
By the way, the posted link does not contain the complete studies. It is an abbreviate edition. I have got the complete edition collected in three volumes, where the last one contains twelve etudes.


Would you be so kind to post it? I would really appreciate it laugh
I suppose you're talking about the one not edited by Julio Esteban.

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#1230498 - 07/12/09 04:51 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: r1card0]
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Originally Posted By: r1card0
Originally Posted By: David Ramezani
By the way, the posted link does not contain the complete studies. It is an abbreviate edition. I have got the complete edition collected in three volumes, where the last one contains twelve etudes.


Would you be so kind to post it? I would really appreciate it laugh
I suppose you're talking about the one not edited by Julio Esteban.


Yes, I could not find the unabridged edition. Only the Julio Esteban. Please post it! smile

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#1230505 - 07/12/09 04:58 PM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: Liszt_BG]
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To all members and moderators: I am sorry if the posting of mine is actually illegal. I posted what I had downloaded for free from I can't remember where.

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#1230736 - 07/13/09 02:18 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Phlebas is correct - editions of works can be copyrighted, even when they contain material that is in the public domain.

For example, if I were writing a book on Liszt and wanted to include examples of the exercises, I could freely notate them with Finale and add them to the book; but I could not freely copy Alfred's edition into my book without permission.

(And Alfred would object - they're the reason nobody can distribute an arrangement of the happy birthday song - they own the copyright to it.)


But, on the other hand, I think it would be legal for someone to scan and make available one of the old, out of copyright, Schuberth editions of the Liszt (I think Schuberth published it twice), without running afoul of the copyright law protecting the Alfred edition. If someone knows otherwise, please correct me. Actually, I am a little surprised no has done that already, and uploaded it to IMSLP. There are copies in various libraries.

Also surprising is that, to my knowledge, no one has put the Hummel piano method online; that would probably be of interest to many. I don't think there even are any editions of it under copyright at this point, so it would be legal.

Funny about "Happy Birthday to You" being under copyright - it also means that royalties are owed whenever it is performed in public.

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#1230746 - 07/13/09 03:36 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: wr]
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An unabridged edition is published by Editio Musica (Budapest) and it is called "Technische Studien".
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#1230822 - 07/13/09 09:29 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr

Funny about "Happy Birthday to You" being under copyright - it also means that royalties are owed whenever it is performed in public.


That's why you almost never hear it on television or in the movies, and why restaurants always make up their own stupid little chants. (Otherwise, the restaurant would actually have to pay royalty fees.) That's also why the only piano methods to use the happy birthday song are those published by Alfred.
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#1231275 - 07/14/09 03:33 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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Originally Posted By: David Ramezani
An unabridged edition is published by Editio Musica (Budapest) and it is called "Technische Studien".


Is there anywhere that you know of where the pdf can be downloaded for free? I didn't find it at waffles.fm or pianosheets.org frown

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#1231815 - 07/15/09 05:32 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: r1card0]
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If you would allow me, I'd like to say this is an example of a global tragedy: copyright law

What happened is that certain ideas, the only things books can sell, were made disenfranchised from the market. Interested parties have precedent and other interested parties on their side thusly things will remain as they are. Right now, certain ideas are owned by individuals and are made illegal to share off a certain market. The Happy Birthday song is not the sheets of notation yet it is defined thusly. This narrow gulf between reality and law is absurd yet we pay deference to our master because he's got a righteous wad of cash flanked by armies of attorneys.

It is justly suggested that publishing houses do real work and deserve to be paid for their goods. It may be possible to purchase the Alfred or Henle editions of such and such books but this doesn't justify a legal framework for massively inflating the value of ideas. This is a tariff on the traffic of freedom. Ideas are what inspire women and men to act. In this situation, the decision is to purchase the product or not and the result is of little importance to society but a critical mass of prohibitions to freedom curtail the development of new markets and new money.

I wish this were the place to rant about copyright law but I know when to shut my mouth. Can I just have an "Amen"?
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#1233699 - 07/19/09 06:03 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: Bryan P. Carney]
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I am sorry! I do not have it on the computer.

However, here is a link to a thesis where the exercises are analysed:

http://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/unsworks:2746
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#1303147 - 11/11/09 09:50 AM Re: Does anyone here have Liszt: Technical Exercis [Re: David Ramezani]
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Where can you buy the unabridged one?
Wherever I look (on the net) there are heaps of different volumes, editions, things that look similar but are completely different, etc. I don't want to buy the wrong one crazy, which one do I buy?
Thanks

EDIT: Don't worry I found it, maybe next time I should be quicker to check the publishers site laugh




Edited by nextbigthingg (11/11/09 10:38 AM)

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