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#1300032 - 11/05/09 02:27 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Sparkler]
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Originally Posted By: Sparkler
Wow, thanks for sharing... you play very well!

I have been planning to enter this in a few years, but in '10 I will be 2 years too young to join the Amateur contest, so I have to wait til 2016!


Best of luck in '16 then, Sparkler smile But be sure to bring your "A-game". That is one tough competition.

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#1300058 - 11/05/09 03:27 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Defining amateur and professional for competitions is always tricky.

Somewhere out there is a "professional" pianist who barely made it through an undergraduate performance degree at Small Inconsequential College studying with Dr. Dime-a-Dozen. They passed their senior recital on attempt #2 and now teach 30 beginning private students and accompany the choir at their church. They practice on one of the upright pianos they use in their home studio.

Also somewhere out there is an "amateur" pianist who studied and practiced diligently throughout high school, taking lessons from Dr. Vladimir Awesomeovich, winning state competitions and playing Chopin concerti with their high school orchestra. They continued playing during their pre-med degree and got serious again after completing residency, eventually purchasing a new Steinway B for their recital-hall-sized living room at home where they often perform at the piano parties they host for their friends.

Judging by a lot of measurements, the professional I described above has a marked advantage against the amateur. Pitting them against each other seems unethical and unfair.

But for who? laugh


Does one really have an advantage over the other? They both had excellent and intense training, and they both probably lack time to practice at present.

There are grey areas here too. What about the person who just has a minor in music, or who once accompanied and doesn't anymore, or who once played a concerto with the community orchestra?

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#1300721 - 11/06/09 06:52 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
wYou are like a bulldog with someone's leg in their jaws.


I object to this post on the grounds it is insulting to bulldogs...

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#1301345 - 11/08/09 12:12 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: gooddog]
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Along with me (already mentioned...Equitater, on youtube, Liszt addict is there....white tee shirt, Liebestraum. Sorry, I don't know how to lift the url code.
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#1301734 - 11/08/09 05:57 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: musica71]
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Thank you for the info.
I very much enjoyed the Chopin Nocturne and that Schimmel sounds fantastic too.
Also I recall a a wonderful version of Bach_Busoni Chaconne posted by Listaddict.
Really very fine pianists around here. I wish the best for all.

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#1301939 - 11/09/09 07:35 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Sam S]
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Brilliant Hakki!

Kreisler, i believe Vladimir Awesomeovich is not teaching anymore. Apparently Richard Kastle sued him for faking the last bars of HR in his masterclasses.

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#1302024 - 11/09/09 11:00 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: izaldu]
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Hakki - very nice to see you in the contest too!

Now we can see some faces behind the nicks. laugh

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#1302038 - 11/09/09 11:18 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: ProdigalPianist]
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalPianist
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
You are like a bulldog with someone's leg in their jaws.


I object to this post on the grounds it is insulting to bulldogs...

wink



Sorry about that. I humbly apologize to all the canines and to lovers of all forms of canidae who might have felt slighted by my insensitive analogy. whome
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#1302051 - 11/09/09 11:36 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Nice job Hakki, and a devilish piece to pull off.


P*D, I bet you just started that whole criticizing-the-bulldog thing to distract our attention from this pun. wink

Hakki, I don't normally watch the classical videos because I don't feel I can offer an educated opinion... but your "Mephisto Waltz" was amazing. wow
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#1302058 - 11/09/09 11:43 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Monica K.]
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Well hallelujah, somebody finally got it!

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... actually, others may have gotten it, but were probably shaking their heads in disbelief and dismay. blush


BTW, can anybody just enter this contest by sending in a video? I haven't bothered to look it up.
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#1302141 - 11/09/09 01:30 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad


BTW, can anybody just enter this contest by sending in a video? I haven't bothered to look it up.


As far as you fulfill their requirements about being an amateur, you haven't won any previous Cliburn Youtube contest, you are 35 or older and your submitted video is approved, then, yes, I think so.

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#1302148 - 11/09/09 01:46 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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Piano*Dad,

Here's the Eligibility requirements and Rules:
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Eligibility

1. Applicants may not derive their principal source of income from teaching, performing, or composing music.
2. Applicants must be age thirty-five or over in order to participate.
3. Previous winners of the International Piano Competition for Outstanding Amateurs are not eligible.

Rules

1. All pianists must complete an application form and submit it as a message to the Foundation's YouTube Channel [www.youtube.com/vancliburnfoundation]; or send the info in an email to ewynne@cliburn.org, alternatively.
2. Applicants must upload a performance video with a minimum length of five minutes and a maximum length of ten minutes, to their YouTube account labeled with each pianist's name, occupation, and country of residence.
3. Applicant must then use YouTube's "share" feature to submit their video to username Van Cliburn Foundation with "Cliburn YouTube Contest" in the optional message box.
4. All approved videos will be added to the Foundation's "YouTube Contest" playlist and will remain online until the close of the competition.
5. Video content must not be filmed from another contest or performed more than six months prior to submission.
Note, however, that submissions for this year closed on the 2nd of Novemeber.

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#1302151 - 11/09/09 01:54 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: epf]
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I just got my ballot through e-mail. Lots of videos to plow through.
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#1303161 - 11/11/09 10:24 AM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: AZNpiano]
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Great playing Hakki!!!
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#1303232 - 11/11/09 12:26 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Hakki]
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Hello!! I just joined here and was very glad to find your post. I had seen/heard your Mephisto Waltz on there (I at least looked at all of them.......I'm on there too) and was very impressed. One can tell from the very first bar that this is going to be an energetic, spirited performance. It's very exciting, full of momentum. Good luck!
BTW......link to my video (Scriabin 9th sonata):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ySs4aQ8f3U&feature=PlayList&p=5093B44F7AEC37D6&index=0

Are any other members here in the contest?
(I guess there must be since you said "as well" smile ......I'll do my homework and go check.)


Edited by MarkCannon (11/11/09 12:27 PM)
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#1303237 - 11/11/09 12:29 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateur Contest [Re: Horowitzian]
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.....OK, there we go -- I see that EQUITATER is a member here too.
(Hi Judi! If you're looking.......)
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#1303238 - 11/11/09 12:31 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Sparkler]
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I think I'd rather be 2 years too young in 2011 too.
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#1303240 - 11/11/09 12:33 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateur Contest [Re: Horowitzian]
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P.S. The F# minor polonaise is one of my favorites too.....just played it at the competition in Warsaw and didn't do too bad with it. smile
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#1303250 - 11/11/09 12:46 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
.....Anybody who had piano degree knows at the bottom of their heart that they are not supposed to compete against real amateurs.....your quality of playing was not comparable to amateur anymore....


Although I see that your view isn't too popular here, I agree with you completely in theory. But, speaking as a "real amateur" who has been the route in these amateur competitions and has often 'suffered' at the hands of the quasi-amateurs, I think you're being too harsh. It's extremely hard to know where to draw the line. I mean, I don't think anybody would question that I'm a "real" amateur (no conservatory training, no piano degree, didn't major in piano) but I've been playing all my life, I've given concerts, and I practice several hours a day when I'm getting ready for a performance. PLUS -- and theoretically this isn't any kind of point but I can't help feeling that it counts -- I've ENJOYED AND APPRECIATED the presence of the higher-trained pianists at these competitions. Some of them have become good friends, so I suppose I can't be objective, but I can tell you for sure that being among them has helped me elevate my playing and my whole level with music, in addition to enriching my life with a whole new type of acquaintances. I can honestly say that I'd rather not get past the 1st round in such a field than to win a competition that is restricted to people like me.
But I'm glad to see that this issue is being discussed here -- and indeed I do think SOME of the amateur competitions are too loose in their definition. But I'll save that for another time......
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#1303253 - 11/11/09 12:50 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: LisztAddict]
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Hakki - very nice to see you in the contest too!

Now we can see some faces behind the nicks. laugh


Anybody else here besides Equitater in it too?
(Are YOU perhaps?)
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#1303281 - 11/11/09 01:19 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mark_C]
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Hi Mark. Welcome to Piano World. In case you haven't figured out who I am behind this nick, *hint* I was the one (in white jacket) playing Polonaise and Nocturne at 10 am in Warsaw. laugh

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#1303325 - 11/11/09 02:13 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: MarkCannon
Originally Posted By: LisztAddict
Hakki - very nice to see you in the contest too!

Now we can see some faces behind the nicks. laugh


Anybody else here besides Equitater in it too?
(Are YOU perhaps?)


Here is LisztAddict. Another excellent performance!! http://www.youtube.com/user/VanCliburnFoundation#p/c/5093B44F7AEC37D6/12/AG3rtfHzG9c
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#1303396 - 11/11/09 04:01 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: LisztAddict]
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COOL!! May I say your name or are you purposely being "anonymous"? smile
Anyway......for now I'll just say that it seems IRONIC that you chose something about LISZT for your nick, because from what I could ever tell from your playing, it would seem that your role models are more like Chopin.
I'll never forget how beautifully you set the tone for the event in Warsaw. Your G minor Polonaise and C-sharp minor Nocturne were heavenly.
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#1303398 - 11/11/09 04:02 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Peyton]
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Yup -- I know him well! smile
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#1303415 - 11/11/09 04:27 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: LisztAddict]
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P.S. Maybe to share with everybody a little more about your story in Warsaw (and also just because I'll enjoy saying it) smile .......

When we're at a competition, of course we're mainly wrapped up in our own success or failure. But I have to say, at the Warsaw competition I was so moved by LisztAddict's performance that it sort of became something personal for me, to the point that I became very much focused on his progress as well; I would have been truly hurt if he didn't meet with success. He had a tough assignment: he was the very 1st person to play. Besides the fact that this is a tough spot to have at any competition, there was a larger aspect to it because this was the first-ever amateur competition there, and like all such things, it was sort of an experiment. I mean, WHO KNEW how we amateurs would be? Would our performances be worthy of this setting of the renowned professional Chopin competition?

So, LisztAddict was the lead-off man. All eyes were on him. And he immediately put any doubt to rest. This was not just fine playing, it was SPECIAL playing. The G minor polonaise, a rare and early Chopin piece of haunting beauty, was a perfect way to start the event, and he played it as a beautifully melancholy jewel -- really, PERFECT Chopin playing. He enabled us all to be proud, and he set the tone for us to play our best and to feel part of a very special event.
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#1303559 - 11/11/09 07:16 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Hakki]
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BTW.......how about a thread on this also in the "Piano Concerts Recitals and Competitions" section.....I'm going to start one up over there. Please feel free to come on there too!
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#1303562 - 11/11/09 07:18 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mark_C]
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In here, I am just LisztAddict. Not that I don't love playing Chopin music but I had to submit at least a piece by Liszt to keep up with my nick. laugh

I must say the Chopin competition was a scary, exciting, wonderful, and very memorable experience. The scary part was going there with a big unknown - can we play Chopin music up to their expectation? But at the end, I really think we all did quite well. Everyone made a special contribution to the event.

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#1303584 - 11/11/09 07:33 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mark_C]
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Hi Mark!

Quote:

This was not just fine playing, it was SPECIAL playing.


Yeah, LisztAddict's playing was brilliant. But yours was too, Mark! I enjoyed your performances A LOT, and so did my friends listening with me. I hope to see you in three years in Warsaw again!

By the way, welcome to the Piano Forum!

Just one side thought - you can always edit your posts to add some new lines without the need to post another message smile

Have fun and enjoy your stay here!
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#1303595 - 11/11/09 07:48 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mati]
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Thank you, Mateusz!
And, pardon my having to ask this, but.....Did I meet you? I don't recall any competitors with your name!!
I am so sorry if we did meet and that I just don't remember.

I hope VERY much to be able to participate in the Chopin competition in 3 years. Very very much. I asked Mr. Ossowski whether it is "definite" that the event will be held again in 2012, and actually this led to an extremely interesting conversation. He is such a learned and gracious gentleman!

By the way......my family lived in Lodz briefly in 1945 (i.e. before I was born). Needless to say it was a difficult time.....
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#1303598 - 11/11/09 07:51 PM Re: Cliburn Youtube Amateurs Contest [Re: Mati]
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LisztAddict and Mark... are there any online videos or recordings of you playing in the Chopin Competition?
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