Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
Let Your Piano Sing
Let Your Piano Sing
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Piano Buyer Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Buyers Guide
Who's Online
113 registered (ambrozy, accordeur, Albunea, 36251, Almaviva, 34 invisible), 2008 Guests and 7 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1304671 - 11/13/09 10:23 AM S&M Question?
Bob Newbie Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1555
2 Steinways.. A 1972 "M"(5'7) and a 1945 S(5'1) does 6 inches make a difference in the overall sound..the price is 12,000 difference between the two...is it worth it?

(ad 800) Pearl River
Pearl River the world's best selling piano
#1304679 - 11/13/09 10:32 AM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Bob Newbie]
sotto voce Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 6163
Loc: Briarcliff Manor, NY, USA
Dang, I thought this thread would be about something else. smile

Bob, you don't say anything about the respective conditions of the two pianos (which, after all, are significantly different ages). If your question pertains solely to the issue of length, the answer is yes.

I can't say whether it's due only to size or to other aspects of design, too, but the Steinway M is a well-regarded instrument. The Steinway S ... not so much.


#1304698 - 11/13/09 11:02 AM Re: S&M Question? [Re: sotto voce]
pianoloverus Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 21601
Loc: New York City
Freudian slip??

Only you can decide if the extra money is worth it based on your finances and ear. Unless they've been rebuilt the S is 25+ years older and that would also affect the price differential.

Edited by pianoloverus (11/13/09 11:11 AM)

#1304712 - 11/13/09 11:26 AM Re: S&M Question? [Re: pianoloverus]
Bob Newbie Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1555
They are 2 Rick Jones pianos..both with 10yr warranty..the M has a fancy Louis XIV case
S is Satin black..BTW the subject line was intentional laugh to garner responses to my question..so apparently 6" more makes a difference..

Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1304715 - 11/13/09 11:30 AM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Bob Newbie]
Brent B Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/01/09
Posts: 348
Loc: Western/Central PA
Originally Posted By: Bob Newbie
..so apparently 6" more makes a difference..

Are we still talking about pianos???.....now I'm confused again crazy
Estonia 190

#1304718 - 11/13/09 11:35 AM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Brent B]
BDB Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 24235
Loc: Oakland
So you have a size difference, an age difference, and a style difference, each one of which would increase the price of the same piano. If the difference is only $12,000, I would say that piano is quite a bargain compared to the cheaper piano.
Semipro Tech

#1304805 - 11/13/09 01:24 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: BDB]
Rich D. Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/27/01
Posts: 1364
Loc: Rehoboth Beach De. USA
A Steinway M is a far better piano IMHO than the S. So 6 inches does make a big difference.

Retired at the beach (well maybe not completely)

Anton Rubinstein said about the piano: "You think it is one instrument? It is a hundred instruments!"

#1304847 - 11/13/09 02:25 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Rich D.]
Keith D Kerman Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/12/03
Posts: 3585
Loc: Gaithersburg, MD (Washington D...
The M is better than the S, however, Steinways from the 40s are often better than Steinways from the 70s, unless the pianos are rebuilt to a very high standard.

My guess is that these pianos are in mostly original condition and have had minimal restoration work done. The fancy case makes the M more valuable to someone who wants that case, but less valuable to someone not interested in it. That case can be difficult to sell.

Have you played these pianos?
Keith D Kerman
Rebuilding & Sales of vintage and pre-owned Steinway and Mason & Hamlin
New Steingraeber, Estonia, Baldwin, Charles R. Walter, Brodmann

keith@pianocraft.net 888-840-5460

#1304870 - 11/13/09 02:49 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Keith D Kerman]
fingers Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 800
Loc: Westchester, NY
Bob Newbie,

Since I'm not familiar with these specific pianos, I can only answer in general terms. I think the M is far more versatile than the S and worth an additional 12k.

Playing piano at age 2, it was thought that I was some sort of idiot-savant. As it turns out, I'm just an idiot.

#1304876 - 11/13/09 03:07 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: fingers]
charleslang Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 2143
Unless you really care about the Louis XIV case I would say you should consider the B Rick Jones is offering for just 3k more than the M. The model B is a very famous.

The S sounds great in that clip, however, on his site and it looks like it has had a complete restoration with new pinblock etc. The Renner hammers sound great on it. if I were you I would play them all and then decide.
Semi-pro; pianist and piano technician
Tracks on Spotify and iTunes: Daniel Pollmann Charles Lang 'Desert Music'.

#1305077 - 11/13/09 07:45 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: charleslang]
Bob Newbie Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1555
Keith's point is basically what I was getting at
not just size..a 1945 piano over a 1972 piano
the build quality..even though were still talking Steinway...awhile back they had a 1926
Steinway M..which in my guess..as Keith seems to be leading to..would be indeed better that the 1945 model...

#1305090 - 11/13/09 07:54 PM Re: S&M Question? [Re: Bob Newbie]
Amant Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/29/07
Posts: 310
Loc: Southwest
Independent factor: The size and acoustics of the room.


Moderator:  Ken Knapp, Piano World 
What's Hot!!
Some New Piano World STATS

Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

Piano Classified Ads
Piano Lamps
Piano Lamp by cocoweb - free shipping
New in Piano World's online store PianoSupplies.com, beautiful piano lamps from cocoweb. Free shipping! (continental U.S.).
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Pianoteq
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Writing pieces out from memory to test your memory?
by Svenno
10/23/16 03:38 PM
Anyone use Piano Marvel?
by Cutestpuppie
10/23/16 12:28 PM
Should the ornament be played on the beat or before it?
by fellipe
10/23/16 11:48 AM
Opinions on Hailun 121?
by Corvus
10/23/16 11:21 AM
Christine Brown's Piano Music
by SadieLady
10/23/16 09:45 AM
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Forum Stats
85,334 Registered Members
44 Forums
175,923 Topics
2,565,201 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2016 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission