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#1307370 - 11/17/09 06:03 PM regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP
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My local dealer asks for an insane price for the new CLP or CVP pianos. However, they did show me some of the "liquidation" pianos: $2208 for CLP330 and $3399 for CVP 401.(all prices without tax and shipping)
Are they good deals? laugh
I am actually considering between these two. I love the CLP330 for its GH3 keyboard. But I also in love with CVP401 (despite its keyboard) for its many many functions. If only I could afford CVP 403 frown

The other thing is about the yamaha keyboard. As far as I know, the order is as follow: GH < GH3 < NW
Then what about GHE and GHS? which is better? I am thinking if the CVP401's keyboard is exactly the same as YPG635's?

Please help and thanks for all ideas smile
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#1307394 - 11/17/09 07:07 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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YPG635 features the GHS (Graded hammer Standard) keyboard from Yamaha. This is two steps down the authenticity line-up from the GH action in the CVP401. Not the same.

You have gotten insanely good prices on great products.
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#1307456 - 11/17/09 09:07 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Marty Flinn]
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GH=GHE

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#1307464 - 11/17/09 09:27 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: signa]
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Sorry, not according to Yamaha.
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#1307553 - 11/18/09 12:22 AM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Marty Flinn]
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uhm...2 different ideas...
thanks for all.
but...so...
is it equal or different???
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#1307555 - 11/18/09 12:29 AM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Originally Posted By: Marty Flinn
YPG635 features the GHS (Graded hammer Standard) keyboard from Yamaha. This is two steps down the authenticity line-up from the GH action in the CVP401. Not the same.

You have gotten insanely good prices on great products.


I just found this site. Look at the prices at this guy's local dealer.
http://www.yamahamusician.com/clavinova-clp-cvp.html
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#1308045 - 11/18/09 08:23 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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hItOsAwA,

The report shown in the site you listed was from November 2008. Two wholesale price increases on Clavinovas since then. The site is unclear as to who is behind it and what their purpose is. They are not offering the products for sale at those prices. They do not identify the "local dealer" they "found" these prices at a year ago. Information is dated and looks specious.
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#1308053 - 11/18/09 08:35 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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The problem is that Yamaha keeps changing the code names. Currently today Yamaha is using "GH" to refer to what they used to call "GHE". Look at the release dates on the various products and the names used.

The GH3 is the same as GH or GHE but they add a third sensor to each key which allows simulation of a feature present in some acoustic pianos where you can play a repeted note without need to fully lift the key. Other than this they are the same

From my reading the lowest priced Yamahas with the GH/GHE keys are the P155 and CP33 both at $1,200 (USD) Currently I'm thinking of getting the p155 and letting my computer supply the "missing" features present on the CVP or or the 635. I'm a beginner but I can tell right away the difference from a GHS and GH/GHE keyboard. Not the the GHS is bad. I think the GHS might allow for faster play with less effort.

The GHS is used on the YPG635 maybe because the 635 can play so many sounds. The Yamaha Motif priced at $3,500 is a top of the line product and it lacks fully weighted keys also. I think because the lighter key are preferred for everything except the piano sound. For example organs need lighter keys.


Edited by ChrisA (11/18/09 08:51 PM)

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#1308091 - 11/18/09 09:48 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: ChrisA]
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actually, Yamaha GH action is what is originally called (up to P60/90, PF500/1000) until they introduced low end action GHS as on DP DGX620, P65/70. then they started calling GHE action as on the rest stage DPs and YDP home DPs. my guess is that they want to distinguish those 2 different graded hammer actions (GH or GHS), and find themselves using just "Graded Hammer" (GH) not enough anymore, and started calling GHE instead of GH. but mechanically, nothing changed from GH to GHE. right now, they seem going back to call GH again sometimes.

GH3 is different mechanically, as someone mentioned on this forum once, not just because of the 3rd sensor but also physical shape of the key to accommodate that sensor.

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#1308619 - 11/19/09 04:28 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Originally Posted By: Marty Flinn
hItOsAwA,

The report shown in the site you listed was from November 2008. Two wholesale price increases on Clavinovas since then. The site is unclear as to who is behind it and what their purpose is. They are not offering the products for sale at those prices. They do not identify the "local dealer" they "found" these prices at a year ago. Information is dated and looks specious.


thanks, I didnt notice the report date.
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#1308630 - 11/19/09 04:52 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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So let me sum up a bit

GH3
"The GH3 is the same as GH or GHE but they add a third sensor to each key which allows simulation of a feature present in some acoustic pianos where you can play a repeted note without need to fully lift the key. Other than this they are the same"

"GH3 is different mechanically, as someone mentioned on this forum once, not just because of the 3rd sensor but also physical shape of the key to accommodate that sensor[/b]."


GH - GHS - GHE
"but mechanically, nothing changed from GH to GHE. "
---> Thanks for your input, but personally, I feel like i much agree with the below statement.

"I'm a beginner but I can tell right away the difference from a GHS and GH/GHE keyboard."
----> I am totally agree w you. A year ago, I usually played on my uncle's YPG625 piano (which has GHS - as far as I remember); then I bought YDP223, with GHE keyboard. Seriously, I can tell the difference immediately. And I took me a few hours (or few days, i dont remember smile ) to really get used to the new keyboard. According to the price, I believe the GHE keyboard could not be "worse" than the GHS. In reality, I feel the GHE keyboard allows one to express better than GHS(sorry for my bad english, hope you get what I mean,lol)

AND...THE ANSWER FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GH-GHS-GHE STILL REMAINS UNCLEAR....
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#1308664 - 11/19/09 05:31 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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Originally Posted By: hIt0sAwA
AND...THE ANSWER FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GH-GHS-GHE STILL REMAINS UNCLEAR.
Not really.

The GHS is the low-end keyboard. Steer clear.
The GH/GHE keyboards are much better.
The GH3 better still.

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#1308690 - 11/19/09 05:56 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: MacMacMac]
hIt0sAwA Offline
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Originally Posted By: hIt0sAwA
AND...THE ANSWER FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GH-GHS-GHE STILL REMAINS UNCLEAR.
Not really.

The GHS is the low-end keyboard. Steer clear.
The GH/GHE keyboards are much better.
The GH3 better still.

in other words, GH = GHE? or, YDP223 keyboard = CVP401 keyboard? smile
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#1308752 - 11/19/09 07:42 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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that's correct. I'm still hazy as the difference between GH/GHE and GH3, but its no secret that GH and GHE are different names for the same thing

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#1310065 - 11/21/09 09:49 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: munkeegutz]
Marty Flinn Offline
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It is not about "release date" as one poster has said. I received a chart from Yamaha dated 10-8-2009 that shows all current product in a grid. The grid reads from left to right with each collum being superior in touch. It reads:

GST, GHS, GHE, GH, GH3, GH3 synth. ivory, NW (natural wood), NW w/ synt. ivory.

Yamaha says the GHE found on YDP series is not the same as the GH found on the CVP401/501.
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#1310167 - 11/22/09 01:29 AM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Marty Flinn]
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Thanks for all of the cmts smile
I stopped by Keyboard Concept today, and they also shown me the same chart as Marty' grid.
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#1310437 - 11/22/09 02:11 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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I just pulled the service manuals for the YDP-140 w/GHE and the CVP401 w/GH.

With the exception of the grease, there are no common parts between the two keyboard assemblies.

Service manuals don't lie. GH and GHE are not the same.
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#1310456 - 11/22/09 02:44 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: Alden]
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Originally Posted By: Alden
I just pulled the service manuals for the YDP-140 w/GHE and the CVP401 w/GH.

With the exception of the grease, there are no common parts between the two keyboard assemblies.

Service manuals don't lie. GH and GHE are not the same.


so did y find out which one is better according to the 2 manuals? I hope it matches one of the poster's grid smile
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#1310467 - 11/22/09 03:04 PM Re: regarding Yamaha CLP and CVP [Re: hIt0sAwA]
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Lol - service manuals don't care about 'better,' they just care about 'fixed.' grin
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