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#1307617 - 11/18/09 06:21 AM Seiler "Elite trainer"
Ganddalf Offline
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Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 636
Loc: Norway
I got an offer to buy an instrument called the Seiler Elite Trainer. So far I didn't have the chance to try it, and in order to do so, I have to travel quite some distance.

Does anybody know anything about this instrument? According to the seller the mechanics and the action are just the same as in the grand pianos of Ed Seiler. But it is equipped with some smart sensor system and a digital sound module allowing silent playing. According to the seller the feeling of playing is as close to playing on a Seiler grand without actually having one. And then of course, are the options of computer interfacing, Midi and so on.

The present owner of this instrument is a professional musician, and he is willing to sell for a price slightly higher than the price of a new Yamaha Clavionva CLP-340. Is it worth to make the trip to check it out?

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#1307620 - 11/18/09 06:29 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Ganddalf]
Bunneh Offline
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Registered: 06/08/08
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Loc: Berlin
After having a brief look at the Seiler website (in German: http://www.seiler-pianos.de/de/seiler/duovox.htm), this sounds like something I'd take any day over a new digital piano in this age of PianoTeq and co.

If it's in good condition and you have some idea on how to have maintenance done on it, and it has a MIDI out, my unqualified opinion would be to definitely buy it.
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#1307629 - 11/18/09 07:36 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Bunneh]
Ganddalf Offline
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Loc: Norway
The information on the website more or less confirms what the seller told me. Everything looks very nice and interesting, but I'm still a bit sceptic, since it is very difficult to find any testimonials from other users of this instrument. Maybe there are few of them around because they are quite expensive. I don't have the exact price of a new one, but I think it exceeds 10.000 Euros.

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#1307739 - 11/18/09 11:41 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Ganddalf]
Gyro Offline
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Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 4533
The basic idea behind this is not
at all new. These kinds of
offbeat digital/acoustic "hybrids"
have been manufactured before
and never have really caught on,
because by putting together this
chimera of a piano, you negate
major elements of both
components: you have only the
action of a grand piano without
the rest of it, which is ultimately
not going to satisfy acoustic piano
fans; and you have the circuitry
of a digital piano, but the
price is now much higher than a
regular digital piano. What
you have with one of these is,
essentially, an overpriced
digital piano. The grand
piano action is better than
a regular digital piano action,
but not by a whole lot, I don't
think. It has been pointed
out on this forum that top
concert pianists like Andre
Watts and Valentina Lisitsa
use regular digital pianos.
So a regular digital piano
action is close enough to a
grand piano action for them.

You can get good digital pianos
for less than $1000 (US). For
example, the Casio PX 800
and the M-Audio DCP 200, both
$900 from amazon.com in the
US. Either will play like
a grand piano and will be
just as good as that Seiler
digital.

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#1307789 - 11/18/09 01:04 PM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Ganddalf]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
...it is equipped with some smart sensor system and a digital sound module allowing silent playing. According to the seller the feeling of playing is as close to playing on a Seiler grand without actually having one.


How good is the sound module? If it is more then a few years old the technology is "dated" and you will end up needing to replace it with either a computer and software or something like a Yamaha Motif XS rackmount unit. So be sure to add in the cost of this

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#1308245 - 11/19/09 03:02 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: ChrisA]
Ganddalf Offline
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Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 636
Loc: Norway
Hm... Interesting to read that you can get an instrument for a much lower price (below 1000 USD) with comparable performance as the Seiler "hybrid". This leads to another question: Comparing the CASIO PX800 with the Yamaha Clavinova CLP340 or the new Roland V-piano - is the performance of the CASIO in the same class as that of the much more expensive digitals?

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#1308250 - 11/19/09 03:14 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Ganddalf]
AlphaTerminus Offline
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Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 549
Loc: Iowa, USA
Well, it's made in Germany. And you know the Germans always make good stuff.
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#1308255 - 11/19/09 03:49 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: AlphaTerminus]
Passion Offline
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Registered: 11/13/09
Posts: 70
Originally Posted By: AlphaTerminus
Well, it's made in Germany. And you know the Germans always make good stuff.
smirk


I hear they make fine "amusement parks".

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#1308269 - 11/19/09 05:16 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Passion]
leocuellar Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/18/09
Posts: 18
Loc: Monterrey, Mexico
Never heard anything about it but here are some pics of a used one. Maybe the one they are offering you looks like this one.

http://www.finn.no/finn/viewimage?finnko...amp;areaId=5152

regards,

Leo.

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#1308270 - 11/19/09 05:18 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: leocuellar]
Bunneh Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/08/08
Posts: 399
Loc: Berlin
I want one!

Nice find. This coupled with PianoTeq could be a low-cost DIY project that combines the Yamaha AvantGrand with a Roland V-Piano wink


Edited by Bunneh (11/19/09 05:18 AM)
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#1308279 - 11/19/09 05:36 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Bunneh]
Ganddalf Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 636
Loc: Norway
Leo, I'm impressed. You found the ad I responded to.

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#1308280 - 11/19/09 05:42 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: Ganddalf]
leocuellar Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/18/09
Posts: 18
Loc: Monterrey, Mexico
Google is quite impressive sometimes.
smile

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#1308286 - 11/19/09 06:23 AM Re: Seiler "Elite trainer" [Re: leocuellar]
Ganddalf Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 636
Loc: Norway
If you look closer to the ad, you will see that the instrument is located in Bergen Norway, just a few kilometers away from Grieg's home.

I guess I'll have to make the trip. For reference I'll try out some of the regular digital pianos.

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