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#1216769 - 06/13/09 12:01 PM Passionate and intense pieces?
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I'm trying to listen to really passionate music, such passionate as the Transcendental Etude No.10 by Liszt or the Symphony No.2 by Rachmaninoff.
Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.
Can you list some other options??


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#1216786 - 06/13/09 12:39 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Rachmaninoff Etude–Tableau in E Flat Minor, Op. 39 no. 5 comes to mind immediately.



His studio recording from the early 1960's is even better; that is a live recording. I chose it because it is one of those wonderful vids that has the music right along with it. smile
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#1216790 - 06/13/09 12:47 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Horowitzian]
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Wow!!!!! Thanks for that Horowitzian. This Etude is sooo great :):) I never heard it before.

Thanks,
Jason

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#1216793 - 06/13/09 12:53 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Rachmaninoff 2nd sonata!

I like Van Cliburn's.


Edited by AngelinaPogorelich (06/13/09 12:55 PM)
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#1216794 - 06/13/09 12:55 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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You are most welcome! smile

Another piece that might suit your criteria is the Liszt Bm Sonata. If you didn't get your utter fill of it during the Cliburn as I did. sick

Horowitz's unparalleled 1932 recording:









YT search that turned up some other interesting Liszt Sonata hits
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#1216795 - 06/13/09 12:58 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I already heard the 2nd Sonata by Rach. smile
I think is one of the most beautiful sonatas along with the Sonata in B minor by Liszt. smile

Btw thanks smile

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#1216800 - 06/13/09 01:02 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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How about Wagner-Liszt 'Liebestod" or Liszt "Harmonies du soir"
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#1216801 - 06/13/09 01:04 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Horowitzian]
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Horowitzian,

I never heard before this interpretation, Horowitz really brings all the emotions out with a highly intense and sublime performance:). Thanks smile
His Rach 3 is one of my favorite by the way. Horowitz is in my top 5 pianists haha. Have you heard his Sonetto del 104 Petrarca?

Jason

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#1216802 - 06/13/09 01:05 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Horowitzian]
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Ustvolskaya: Piano Sonata No. 6
Sibelius: Symphony No. 6
Stravinsky: Symphony in C
Wagner: Piano Sonata in Bb Op. 1
Liszt: Unstern
Ravel: Prelude for piano
Debussy: Jeux
Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 10 Op. 96
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 2
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#1216804 - 06/13/09 01:08 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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AngelinaPogorelich,

I will try the first one: Wagner-Liszt "Liebestod". I already heard Harmonies du Soir, btw is one of my favorite Transcendental Etudes.

Thank you smile

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#1216809 - 06/13/09 01:18 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Scriabin - Etude Op. 42 No. 5


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#1216815 - 06/13/09 01:25 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139
Horowitzian,

I never heard before this interpretation, Horowitz really brings all the emotions out with a highly intense and sublime performance:). Thanks smile
His Rach 3 is one of my favorite by the way. Horowitz is in my top 5 pianists haha. Have you heard his Sonetto del 104 Petrarca?

Jason


No problem! smile

I have heard his Sonetto 104 del Petrarcha. Wonderful! cool



Speaking of Rach 3, be sure to hear his 1951 recording with Reiner if you have not. There is one unfortunate cut made, but it surely is his ultimate achievement in the piece.

See this one too:

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#1216836 - 06/13/09 02:20 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Horowitzian]
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I watched that performance. It's incredible the way he played that. Btw, have you ever read the book "Evenings with Horowitz" by David Dubal? Magnificent book!! You can learn a lot about Horowitz there.

Jason

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#1216849 - 06/13/09 02:33 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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I haven't read that book, but my local library tends to have quite a few books like that, so I'm going to visit soon. smile
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#1304198 - 11/12/09 05:14 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Horowitzian]
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Check this out: Lazar Berman - Scriabin Fantasie Op. 28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeGu-RKC-Q&fmt=18

Fantastic. What a MONSTROUS piece. Almost too much for me... almost. smile

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#1304275 - 11/12/09 07:48 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: babama]
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Check out the Goyescas suite by Enrique Granados. Beautiful, passionate, and quite tricky smile

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#1304295 - 11/12/09 08:21 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Are you interested in piano only, or all sorts of things?

(For example, Puccini didn't give us much piano music, but maybe you'll want to listen anyway...)
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#1304314 - 11/12/09 08:49 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: david_a]
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My three all time favourite works are Beethoven's 9th Symphony (choral), Mozart's Requiem Mass in C Minor and Brahm's Double Concerto.

But for pianistic passion, intensity and difficulty the crown surely must go to Liapunov and his 12 transcental etudes (after Liszt) with Albeniz' Iberian Suite coming a close 2nd.
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#1305113 - 11/13/09 08:22 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: PartyPianist]
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Chopin's Andante Spianato and Grand Polonaise in E Flat, Op. 22... That's an amazing piece (or pieces depending on the recording as it's often split), as is his Ballade in G Minor Op. 23/2.

I could also recommend Liszt's Mephisto Waltz #2, S. 515
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Liszt: La Campanella S.140/3, Grand Galop Chromatique S.219
Rachmaninov: Preludes Op. 23

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#1305116 - 11/13/09 08:28 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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I'm biased because it's a lot of what I'm playing now, but, to me the height of "intense" at least right now is SCRIABIN.
I'm focusing mostly on late Scriabin which is not very 'accessible' for a lot of people but which is certainly extremely intense, although often in a quiet way.
A couple of specific pieces:
Vers la Flamme ("Toward the Flame")
Sonata #9 (Black Mass)
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#1305117 - 11/13/09 08:29 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: babama]
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COOL!! You mentioned Scriabin too! (See above post.)

That etude you mentioned (42/5) is one of my favorites also....and I understand it was THE one that Scriabin himself performed the most, supposedly even more than the famous earlier C# minor.
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#1305122 - 11/13/09 08:45 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139
I'm trying to listen to really passionate music, such passionate as the Transcendental Etude No.10 by Liszt or the Symphony No.2 by Rachmaninoff.
Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.
Can you list some other options??


Jason


I haven't read the other replies yet, so apologies if someone has already said these:

Prokofiev Piano Sonata 1, Op 1
Scriabin Etude D# minor Op 8
Schumann Fantasie in C, Op 17 no 3

Among many others :-)
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#1305128 - 11/13/09 08:54 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Sparkler]
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Nice collection there!!
BTW...by saying #3 on the Schumann, do you mean to single out the last movement?

Certainly that Schumann (even just the opening bars of the piece) belong in any discussion of 'passionate and intense.'

And I'm thrilled to see so many people mentioning Scriabin.
That D# minor etude is extremely passionate and intense, even when played in an understated way, which some people do.
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#1305130 - 11/13/09 08:58 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Sparkler]
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P.S. Did you know that THIS performance of the D# minor etude exists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK2uTtuI84w

I was bowled over when I discovered it.
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#1305154 - 11/13/09 09:42 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Mark_C]
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Nice collection there!!
BTW...by saying #3 on the Schumann, do you mean to single out the last movement?

Certainly that Schumann (even just the opening bars of the piece) belong in any discussion of 'passionate and intense.'

And I'm thrilled to see so many people mentioning Scriabin.
That D# minor etude is extremely passionate and intense, even when played in an understated way, which some people do.


Re: Schumann - no, I think it is passionate pretty much from beginning to end, although the middle mov is held back.

Thanks for the link to that recording, no I had not heard it before! My fave recording of it prior was one of Horowitz last live performances of it. Very powerful and moving.
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#1305182 - 11/13/09 10:56 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Sparkler]
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Yes.......Horowitz of course performed the D# minor Etude many times and recorded it various times also. I mentioned before that some people play it "understated," and while some of Horowitz's performances of it were full of fire, I came across at least one (a LATE performance) that was EXTREMELY restrained -- starting softly and remaining 'lyrical' most of the time.
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#1305226 - 11/14/09 01:02 AM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: Rach3PianoS139]
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Originally Posted By: Rach3PianoS139

Btw, my favorite piece in this field is Reminiscences de Norma by Liszt :), it's so passionate and emotional.

The OP managed to mention -IMO- Liszt's greatest operatic fantasy, and certainly a work which qualifies as 'passionate and intense'. Taken on its own, there are few finer, and more exciting, pieces in the repertoire. It should be cataloged as an original work by Liszt with themes borrowed from Bellini.

Really now, to call it an 'operatic fantasy' damns it to reside amongst the pedestrian -and frequently tiresome- efforts of Thalberg, Herz, Pixis, deMayer, all that stuff. Might as well put the Liszt B minor Sonata next to the MacDowell sonatas and be careful not to remove the musical blinders.
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#1305269 - 11/14/09 05:09 AM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: babama]
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Originally Posted By: babama
Check this out: Lazar Berman - Scriabin Fantasie Op. 28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeGu-RKC-Q&fmt=18

Fantastic. What a MONSTROUS piece. Almost too much for me... almost. smile


I think the greatest performance is by Sofronitsky, but it's less enjoyable in sound quality. The way he plays that theme at 1:54 is out of this world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvc2K_5JWho

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#1305455 - 11/14/09 02:47 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: babama]
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How could anyone forget allegro appassionato from Brahm's B-flat piano concerto shocked


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#1305494 - 11/14/09 04:50 PM Re: Passionate and intense pieces? [Re: david_a]
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Originally Posted By: david_a
Are you interested in piano only, or all sorts of things?

(For example, Puccini didn't give us much piano music, but maybe you'll want to listen anyway...)


No, I don't mind if it is not piano. Thanks

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