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#130827 - 02/12/08 07:41 PM Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Begin Again Dave Offline
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 27
Loc: Quiet Corner, CT
I haven't heard either yet, but I'm pondering a choice between a 6 year old 50 with new warranty, asking price $9k that would require flying to check it out and a 23 year old 50, asking price $5k that's 40 minutes away. So it's the old far-cheaper bird in the hand vs. the less handy bird in the bush.

The far off one was built under the current ownership and I suspect has the newer, longer, more grand-like keys, but may or may not have the Renner action. Shipping would be more costly, of course, but there would be a warranty.

Can anyone offer pros and cons, as well as confirmation of my semi-informed notions about keys and action?

And oh yes! Does anyone know if M&H is building new Model 50's anywhere following last year's fire in the CA PianoDisk HQ?

TIA,

Dave
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#130828 - 02/12/08 11:07 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
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Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17698
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
Hi Dave, your semi-informed notions about the Model 50 keys/actions beats my completely UNinformed notions, so I can't help you there.

However, I will offer my 2 cents worth and suggest that you go and try out the nearby piano first. Assuming you like how it plays and sounds, go ahead and get a tech inspection, and assuming the tech gives it his/her blessing, why not buy the cheaper, more convenient piano?

Another option might be to try to enlist the aid of somebody in the city where the far away piano is and have him/her go audition it first to make sure it's worth making the trip.
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#130829 - 02/13/08 12:11 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Dave Stahl Offline
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Registered: 05/06/07
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Dave,

The two pianos are entirely different animals. The older model was an Aeolian product made in Rochester, New York somewhere around the time of the parent company's demise. I've seen some really good ones, and some really bad ones. Worth a look, though, but bring your bargaining hat.

The 6 year old instrument is likely to be a very good piano. Seems like 9k is a fair chunk of change, though, but if you get warranty, delivery, and tuning, it could be worth a look.
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#130830 - 02/13/08 01:28 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
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Registered: 08/11/07
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The Mason uprights built by the "new" owners of the company are fabulous pianos. If we had bought an upright when we were shopping some years ago, the new Mason 50 would have been the one. (We ended up with a Mason grand, having wandered into the grand section of the dealership and fallen in love with one.) You could do some research on whether the Model 50s are being built now by calling a Mason dealer. (Several Mason dealers post on this forum, including Rich Galassini at Cunningham Piano Company in Philadelphia.) I agree with Dave that the two pianos are completely different, and that the 6 year old Mason is likely to be excellent piano. I also think that Monica has a good idea--if you know someone in the city where the newer Mason resides, they could check it out for you before you make the trip.

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#130831 - 02/13/08 01:41 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
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Loc: Centennial, Colorado
FWIW there's a new 50 on ebay right now for $9K.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MASON-HAMLIN-MODEL-5...1QQcmdZViewItem
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#130832 - 02/13/08 08:22 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Begin Again Dave Offline
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 27
Loc: Quiet Corner, CT
Thanks, All! As I suspected, the less convenient one is likely to be the far better instrument. I'm sorry to say I don't know anyone where the newer piano is. *sigh*

M&HAAdriver - Acutally,the "new" one on eBay is the 6 year old piano!
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#130833 - 02/13/08 01:55 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Monica K. Offline

Platinum Supporter until Dec 31 2012


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17698
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
Well, you could always let us know the city, and maybe there's a PW member close by who'd be happy to go audition it for you. Believe it or not, many of us love to shop for pianos, even if for somebody else. \:\)
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#130834 - 02/13/08 02:10 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
lilylady Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4974
Loc: boston north
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Originally posted by Begin Again Dave:
Thanks, All! As I suspected, the less convenient one is likely to be the far better instrument. I'm sorry to say I don't know anyone where the newer piano is. *sigh*

M&HAAdriver - Acutally,the "new" one on eBay is the 6 year old piano! [/b]
I am confused.

You say you don't know where this one offered on EBAY, IS?

All HIS INFO IS LISTED! It is in Tn.

And be careful...just because a listing price starts at xxx on Ebay, does not suggest that it is the BUYING price. People buy within minutes of the ending listing. That is the Ebay Game. ;-)

If, truly they want to sell it quickly and well below listing price, YOU DO NEED TO CONTACT THEM.

Even if it doesn't sell on EBAY (and they can rescind their offer, one way or another), you should contact them, make arrangements for veiwing the piano, and WHAT ELSE they may be able to offer for the sale. What is a $400 trip worth for a bargain like this?

I am sure that you, by now, know that cost of a new MH upright. But, just as a reminder, you should never purchase a piano without testing it out first.

Best Regards for your purchase....

LL
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#130835 - 02/13/08 04:04 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
M&B Offline
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Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 262
Loc: California
Over the years in the piano business I have seen bargain hunters get scammed. Sometimes the eagerness to get an incredible buy sets you up to be an easy target.
Buy something you can afford at a reputable dealer near you area. You'll save time, headaches and contributes to your local economy.
Anyhow if you are considering something for 9K plus the cost of the airplane ticket; you have a nice budget for an upright by other makes besides M&H. ;\)
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#130836 - 02/14/08 02:59 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Craigen Offline
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Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 1815
Loc: West Coast
The Mason & Hamlin model 50 has always been one of my favorite uprights. The bulk of my experience is on those from the 1970's-1980's and the new ones. I don't believe I have ever worked on one from the 1950's as you suggest.

Aeolian Mason & Hamlins were plagued with fits and finish problems and lack of attention to detail. The basic scale design and materials were fine. When fully prepped and regularly serviced they were great instruments.

The new ones are a genuine step ahead in quality, but are hard to find and much more expensive (worth it if you've got it.)
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#130837 - 02/14/08 03:37 PM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
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Registered: 01/21/05
Posts: 272
Loc: Centennial, Colorado
Just to be clear, I was not endorsing the idea of buying on eBay. It was just a data point.

I looked at eBay a bunch before buying my piano, never with the intention of buying there. One thing I learned is that very, very few of the pianos I looked at (M&Hs mainly) on eBay ever actually sold on eBay.
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#130838 - 02/16/08 09:57 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
Begin Again Dave Offline
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 27
Loc: Quiet Corner, CT
I have no intention of buying on eBay or any other way on-line. A lot of sellers use eBay for advertising. I will have to see, hear and play any piano I actually buy.

LilyLady - I didn't say I didn't know where it was, I said I didn't know ANYONE there who could, as was suggested, go try it in my stead.

I'm open to other suggestions as to good options for a $10k budget. My sense so far is that this buys a pretty good new upright, terrific used upright or a decent used baby grand.
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#130839 - 02/16/08 10:59 AM Re: Mason & Hamlin Model 50
lilylady Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4974
Loc: boston north
OOPS!

Musta skipped over the word *anyone*! Sorry 'bout that!

I believe that MH lists just under $20,000 so was more concerned that you weren't thinking it was a $10,000 piano new!

There might be a WONDERFUL used Yamaha U5 still available by a member here in your range. They are nice pianos. Check locally as well. LL
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