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#1312223 - 11/25/09 02:56 PM Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano
jrl Offline
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Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Croissy-sur-Seine, France
I'm toying with the idea of getting a new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano. I live in Europe, where the list price for said instrument in polished ebony is 10,273 euros.

A dealer has proposed 8,800 euros, which includes a bench, two headphones, delivery and the first tuning.

I've not counter-offered .... yet. Does a 14.3 percent reduction in the list price, with all the other goodies, represent a good deal? Or is there any more room for negotiation?

Thanks much for any guidance.

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#1312245 - 11/25/09 03:26 PM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: jrl]
Konzert Patrick Offline
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Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 791
Loc: The Netherlands
That seems like a very good price.

At my dealer the same model would cost me 9.200,- euro (Amsterdam the Netherlands)

Have you tried the YUS1? It is slightly more expensive but maybe well worth it!

Good luck
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#1312575 - 11/26/09 01:54 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: Konzert Patrick]
theJourney Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 3946
Loc: Banned
The Yamaha U1/U3 Silents are one great piano solution! I have been tempted to buy one on several occasions. Finally I chose to have an acoustic grand without silent installation and a separate digital piano for silent practice. My decision was influenced by the following reasoning:

- electronics become obsolete or superceded very quickly
- the letoff distance is changed in the upright silent installation thereby making it more difficult to play pianissimo and changing the touch somewhat
- one more complication may make maintenance issues in the future
- in 10 or 15 years time having a piano with an obsolete set of sensors and electronics built in may make the market value even less than a comparatively "pure" acoustic piano
- with a separate digital piano two people in the household can practice at the same time
- a separate digital piano can be moved to another room or taken to parties or on vacation
- learning to play on a digital instrument is also a valuable skill to have
- most digital pianos have many more features and better sounds than that built into the Yamaha silent pianos; horses for courses.


If you have limited space, want to play silently on the same real acoustic piano keyboard or just think that the Yamaha U1S is one sexy product, then it may be for you.

I would take the time to visit some other dealers and try to buy only an instrument that is already on the floor and properly tuned and that you like. You may be able to find one that sounds better to you (there is variability even with a precision consumer product like this, after all it is made of wood!) and one dealer may be more motivated to provide you with a better price than the other.

Benches, first tunings, headphones, etc. are always thrown in for free, so don't start seeing those as your discount or an additional part of the deal, they are just hygiene.

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#1312577 - 11/26/09 01:59 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: Konzert Patrick]
4evrBeginR Offline
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Registered: 06/27/09
Posts: 1607
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: GC1Patrick
That seems like a very good price.

At my dealer the same model would cost me 9.200,- euro (Amsterdam the Netherlands)

Have you tried the YUS1? It is slightly more expensive but maybe well worth it!

Good luck


Wow, things are expensive across the ocean. The U1 silent over here cost the same but in dollars!
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#1312601 - 11/26/09 03:23 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: 4evrBeginR]
Jan-Erik Offline
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Registered: 10/18/05
Posts: 1302
Loc: Finland
Absolutely, if you have the space, i would in your place buy a decent digital stage piano with a stabile rack and good headphones and keep the accoustic piano free from electronics. For emotional and estetical reasons. Technically the U1 is very good, and I believe Yamaha will supply service and spare parts for at least 10 years, but better make sure.

But by separating the two pianos you will have a bigger choice of instruments and the total price might be lower. And the acoustic piano's action will not wear when you are making technical exercises and learning new pieces.

The only thing you will miss is that you do not have the absolutely same touch and pedal feel when doing silent practise. But pianos' touch and sound differ anyway, so it can be an advantage to get accustomed to this by having two pianos at home.

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#1312640 - 11/26/09 06:16 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: Jan-Erik]
jrl Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Croissy-sur-Seine, France
Thanks for all the input. Unfortunately, space is an issue, so I can have only one instrument at a time. Also, since I'm enmeshed in the euro currency here, I can't think about the U.S. price and the dollar's exchange rate right now or I'll drive myself nuts!

For the past 11 years I've had a Roland HP-245 -- going digital was necessary because of a shift to apartment living at the time -- but recently the action on two keys has broken. (See my other post if you want the gory details.) I don't want to spend several hundred on repairing the Roland, only to have more keys break in the near future because of the instrument's life expectancy. Also, my daughter is starting to get more serious with the piano, and going to a "hybrid" seems like a good option, since I want her to have experience with an acoustic instrument.

I had a U1 acoustic many years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, so I may be a little biased toward this model. What I really like about Yamaha's proprietary silent system is that it works completely off of optical sensors, instead of the key depressing a plastic piece, as in some of the aftermarket models. It seems like this lack of friction and mechanical interaction with the keys makes Yamaha's system less likely to suffer wear and tear. (Or....?)

Too, the subtlety of the tone, the quality of the digital sampling and the almost imperceptible difference in touch while playing in silent mode are big pluses.

Before I get too far down this road, if anyone wants to try to persuade me to look seriously at other models of comparable price with a good silent system -- Kawai, Seiler? -- I'm happy to take the time and thoroughly research it.

Again, thanks.

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#1312648 - 11/26/09 06:52 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: jrl]
theJourney Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 3946
Loc: Banned
No, the Yamaha Silents are really the best option out there. They are the standard against which all others may be judged in my opinion.

Good luck with your shopping and let us know how you got on.

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#1312657 - 11/26/09 07:22 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: theJourney]
Konzert Patrick Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 791
Loc: The Netherlands
I agree on the greatness of the optical silent system of Yamaha, I love the feel of my piano so when playing digital I want to keep on feeling the same action, thus the silent build in, it is pricy but you get what you pay for! smile

I know Kawai has a system that is comparable and the Schimmel pianos are also available with the Yamaha system build in.

Good luck on your search..... may the best piano win grin
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#1322419 - 12/10/09 04:50 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: jrl]
jrl Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Croissy-sur-Seine, France
Well, I did it. Ordered the U1 Silent, which is being delivered in a couple of days. I'm thrilled with the features, versatility, quality, reliability and resale value, so it seems like a solid investment. Really looking forward to getting back to acoustic playing.

Thanks to all for their counsel.

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#1322439 - 12/10/09 07:17 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: jrl]
theJourney Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 3946
Loc: Banned
Enjoy your new piano. Don't forget the tradition here to include pictures of/after delivery!

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#1322508 - 12/10/09 09:41 AM Re: Fair price for new Yamaha U1 SilentPiano [Re: theJourney]
Konzert Patrick Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 791
Loc: The Netherlands
Pictures please smile
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