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#1314850 - 11/30/09 01:47 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
Minniemay Offline
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Registered: 06/07/09
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Originally Posted By: MovementCode9
Unbelievable. I'm really sorry I posted a question here. This thread ends here.


We can continue it if we want to. Nya nya!

I mean, really. Who's the mature one here?
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#1314869 - 11/30/09 03:37 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
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Originally Posted By: MovementCode9
I'm an adult beginner with current limited reach. I can reach a root octave with no problem, but I have to move my wrist slightly from left to right to stretch a root 3rd 5th octave arpeggio. I don't think my wrist should move at all. I realize my hands have not yet conformed to playing the piano, just like a new guitar student cannot barre a chord right away. Should I expect my hands to go through a metamorphasis of stretching as I practice? I posted this question here because I thought perhaps teachers see this problem all the time.

BTW... as soon as I am able to hire a real teacher, its gonna happen...Thank you...Patrick


..I think I might have figured it out. In Patrick's quote above there is one actual question
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Should I expect my hands to go through a metamorphasis of stretching as I practice?
but most posts responded to related issues, probably because the sentence that follows indicates a problem, whereas the small increase in flexibility and reach of the hand is not a problem but a good thing!
Many posters responded to "..I dont think my wrist should move at all" because they wanted to save a beginner from the unnecessary pain of a held wrist.

My advice to the OP (from someone who remembers being new) is to not be surprised if a thread takes off in random and bizarre directions, to nudge or redirect discussion if you want (and if you can!), to ignore any rudeness or abruptness whether real or percieved, and to spend lots of time posting in the ABF especially on other ppl's threads. And even more advice: use those posts that you believe will help and ignore the others. With opposing viewpoints you can't do much else.

And it was great that OP thanked david a for understanding the question and giving good answers. So take that answer and use it and hope you enjoy learning piano smile
PS ignore my post if it's no use to you, or you think I am a moron, or even a half-moron, I really don't mind... much.. whome
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#1314872 - 11/30/09 03:47 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: Canonie]
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Yes, I think you're right that that was in fact his question, Canonie. I responded to the moving the wrist aspect because it seemed that the stretching question was only there because of his inability to play the arpeggio without moving the wrist. Hence I considered that was the basic issue. I also think your advice about posting is valuable.

I hope Patrick is able to find your advice helpful. I have to admit that I'm still at a loss to know exactly what it is he finds "unbelievable". smile

[not yelling]Good luck, Patrick[/not yelling] smile
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#1315006 - 11/30/09 11:19 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: currawong]
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I indeed did answer his real question, as best I could anyway. Not good enough, apparently.
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#1315579 - 12/01/09 12:22 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: AZNpiano]
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I want to apoligize to everyone who posted a reply here. I am currently overwhelmed with my quest to understand music. Instead of embracing all of your thoughtful replies, I sunk into a sea of frustration, which is certainly not your problem. As I read through this thread, I'm not sure how I took such a wrong turn. But wrong it was. I'm sorry and thank you for putting up with me.

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#1315584 - 12/01/09 12:37 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
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OMG! I just read the last couple posts before my apology. You people already know me, so to speak. Amazing!

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#1315702 - 12/01/09 08:58 AM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
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And I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. We teachers can sometimes be a crotchety old bunch, but I really didn't know where we went wrong this time! I hope that you persevere in your piano struggles, and don't let the frustration get to you! smile
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#1316062 - 12/01/09 04:24 PM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
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Originally Posted By: MovementCode9
I want to apoligize to everyone who posted a reply here. I am currently overwhelmed with my quest to understand music. Instead of embracing all of your thoughtful replies, I sunk into a sea of frustration, which is certainly not your problem. As I read through this thread, I'm not sure how I took such a wrong turn. But wrong it was. I'm sorry and thank you for putting up with me.
Accepted. smile Best of luck.
A few things many of my adult students need to be told - some of them may be applicable to you: [1]be patient [2]enjoy the journey [3]it's never too late to learn to make music [4]don't be too hard on yourself. smile
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#1316094 - 12/01/09 05:13 PM Re: Octave arpeggio stretch [Re: MovementCode9]
Canonie Offline
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Registered: 10/04/09
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Loc: Australia
Best of luck movementcode9, and thanks for the aplogy. Remember, making music is fun!

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