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#1316697 - 12/02/09 12:09 PM Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Registered: 11/28/08
Posts: 53
Loc: Porto, Portugal
Hi,

I'm about to upgrade my digital piano, because my actual piano doesn't satisfy me anymore. I've already made a post about this here.

I was more than convinced that the CLP-340 would be my choice until I played with a Roland HP207! I just fell in love immediately with that piano! The sound is great but what I loved the most was the keyboard which I think is fantastic. I tested the CLP-340 about a month ago and I can remember that I liked it but I think not as much as the HP207. But it was a month ago...

The problem is that the Roland is a bit more expensive. I got a quote of 1940€ (~3000 USD) for the CLP-340 and 2300€ (~3470 USD) for the HP207. I was limiting my budget to 2000€ but now I don't know what to do.

Would the proud owners of one of these models please tell me why you fell in love with your piano and why you chose it instead of another?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

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#1316781 - 12/02/09 02:13 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
Huygens Offline
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Sweden
It will not be fair to compare the CLP-340 to the stronger HP207. We need to make a fair match. Compare with the stronger CLP-370 instead. Let us see some hard number (underlines are links):


Yamaha CLP-370
  • 128 note polyphony
  • 4-level sampling
  • Graded Hammers + 3rd sensor + fake Ivory & Wood (better swing-forward-swing-back)
  • 28 Instruments/voices
  • Reverb (4 levels), Chorus (1 level), Brilliance (5 levels), Phaser (1 level), Tremolo (1 level), Rotary Speakers (1 level), Damper Resonance (1 level), Transpose (-12 to 12), Touch Response (4 levels), Dynamic sampling, Key-Off sampling. Some Effects may only have 1 level, but some levels can be adjusted in strength from 1 to 20.
  • 7 Temperaments
  • Speakers 2 * 40W

Roland HP207
  • 128 note polyphony
  • 4-level sampling
  • Graded Hammers + 3rd sensor + fake Ivory (better swing-forward-swing-back, realistic key-drop before hammer contact, realistic key-drop after key push)
  • 35 Instruments/voices + 300 synthesizer sounds (some vocals)
  • Reverb (10 levels), Chorus (1 level), Brilliance (7 levels), Rotary Speakers (1 level), Damper Resonance (1 level), Transpose (-6 to 5), Touch Response (20 levels), Dynamic sampling, Key-Off Resonance (adjustable), String Resonance (adjustable), Duplex Scale (bass sympathetic resonance, adjustable), Tonic, Stretched Tuning, Hammer Response, Hammer Noise, Damper Noise, Open/Close Lid (sound richness). Some Effects may only have 1 level, but some levels can be adjusted in strength from 1 to 10.
  • 8 Temperaments
  • Speakers 2 * 60W

Of the effects, I appreciate all the sympathetic resonances the most, specially String Resonance, which Roland HP207 has. I also like Reverb and Open/Close Lid effects.

If the list above contains faults, please inform me, as I've been reading out of the manuals until I can't see words. smile
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#1316812 - 12/02/09 03:09 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Huygens,

Thank you for your exaustive listing of the technical specifications! I didn't consider the CLP-370 because everyone in these forums says that it is not that much better than the CLP-340 and that the CLP-340 is the "sweet spot" of the CLP line.

Well, looking at the specs, the HP207 is superior to the CLP-370 in some aspects so it should be far superior to the CLP-340, right? I'm afraid that after playing on the HP207 I will never be satisfied with the CLP-340 frown

And what about reliabily? One folk at a store here in Portugal told me that Yamaha was far more reliable than Roland. Is it true?

Best regards.

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#1316816 - 12/02/09 03:13 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
Huygens Offline
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There have been people using Rolands for 18 years until the top of the keys have been worn out.
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#1316830 - 12/02/09 03:41 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: PianoPeter73

And what about reliabily? One folk at a store here in Portugal told me that Yamaha was far more reliable than Roland. Is it true?


I do agree that Roland's top of the line key action is better then Yamaha's. But I think Yamaha wins if you compare the mid and low range instruments

All of the models you are talking about are the big heavy console versions so I assume you will not be moving these around every weekend in the back of a truck. So don't worry about it. If the DP stays at one location and doesn't see any physical abuse it should last a very long time. You will most likely replace it just because the newer models have something you like not because it broke.

But if you were to be moving these things around, I'd say the Rolands would hold up better as the Rolands have very solid metal chassis while Yamaha uses plastic and partial board.

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#1316849 - 12/02/09 04:16 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
MacMacMac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Huygens
It will not be fair to compare the CLP-340 to the stronger HP207. We need to make a fair match. Compare with the stronger CLP-370 instead.

The CLP340 and HP207 are pretty close in price, so that would be a good comparison.

The CLP370 costs much more, and is scarcely better than the CLP340. So the CLP370/HP207 would not be a good comparison.

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#1316859 - 12/02/09 04:27 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
snazzyplayer Offline
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Registered: 07/26/09
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Originally Posted By: PianoPeter73
Huygens,


And what about reliabily? One folk at a store here in Portugal told me that Yamaha was far more reliable than Roland. Is it true?

Best regards.


It has been my experience that Yamaha have better dealer support.

Both companies make a very reliable product, although my technician friends tell me they see less Yamaha digitals in for repair than Roland...when I buy a second hand instrument, I always go to these guys to find out if there are any problem areas with a particular unit before I buy. Their advice is great insurance and worth it's weight in gold.

Snazzy
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#1316868 - 12/02/09 04:36 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: MacMacMac]
Huygens Offline
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Originally Posted By: Huygens
It will not be fair to compare the CLP-340 to the stronger HP207. We need to make a fair match. Compare with the stronger CLP-370 instead.

The CLP340 and HP207 are pretty close in price, so that would be a good comparison.

No.


Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
The CLP370 costs much more, and is scarcely better than the CLP340.

You are wrong.


Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
So the CLP370/HP207 would not be a good comparison.

Wrong again.


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#1316889 - 12/02/09 05:02 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Well, looking at those prices it seems that my price of 2300€ for the HP207 is pretty good, no?

But the other thing that makes me lean torwards the CLP-340 is that the dealer takes back my Yamaha YDP-S30. If I go for the Roland I well have to sell it myself.

And what about the keyboard mechanisms? I know this has been debated many times, but will the PHAII of the HP207 (with fake ivory) be superior to the GH3 (also fake ivory) of the CLP-340? Has anyone tested both and prefered the GH3 instead of the PHAII?

As you can see, I'm trying to find reasons to buy the CLP-340, because it's cheaper, but deep down I know the HP207 is superior. I just would like to know if I would feel happy playing the CLP-340. smile

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#1316895 - 12/02/09 05:12 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
Huygens Offline
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Some prices in England, from Bonner:

HP207 £2379 (2493 €)
CLP-370 £1799 (1885 €)

CLP-370 Polished Ebony: £2099 (2200 €)
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#1316898 - 12/02/09 05:14 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
Huygens Offline
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Originally Posted By: PianoPeter73
As you can see, I'm trying to find reasons to buy the CLP-340, because it's cheaper, but deep down I know the HP207 is superior. I just would like to know if I would feel happy playing the CLP-340. smile


No.

You will become unhappy for eternity.
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#1316973 - 12/02/09 07:09 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
Masume Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 90
Loc: Germany
I have only today tried both the HP-207 and the CLP-380 (which should be better than the 340 since it's much more expensive) and I have to say it must be a huge matter of taste. I have heard people talking about their clp-380 like a gift from god, however I didn't really like the sound and found the keys to be way to clicky. I would go for the HP-207 if I had to make that decision. But as I said, it's a matter of taste, you should just take your time and really test both instruments side by side, play on both, get to know them a little. I also think you shouldn't rush the decision and go test-playing multiple times, in my case that helped a lot.

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#1317003 - 12/02/09 07:52 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Masume]
TheGlassPassenger Offline
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 34
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: Masume
I have only today tried both the HP-207 and the CLP-380 (which should be better than the 340 since it's much more expensive) and I have to say it must be a huge matter of taste. I have heard people talking about their clp-380 like a gift from god, however I didn't really like the sound and found the keys to be way to clicky. I would go for the HP-207 if I had to make that decision. But as I said, it's a matter of taste, you should just take your time and really test both instruments side by side, play on both, get to know them a little. I also think you shouldn't rush the decision and go test-playing multiple times, in my case that helped a lot.


I am actually trying to choose between HP207 and CLP380 myself. I played an HP203 because the dealer didn't have a 207 in the showroom (will be going to test it out tomorrow though). I found the 203 action to be kind of 'thumpy'. It was rather loud and I didn't really feel that in the 380 BUT the 380 action was very light. I couldn't tell the difference between those wooden keys and the cheaper CLP models with just plastic keys and the ivorite. The cabinet looked oh so shiny and tempting though. :P

Sorry to the OP for derailing your thread for a moment here. I will be going to play the HP207 tomorrow and will hopefully make my decision then. Right now I'm leaning towads the 207. Hopefully I can come back here and tell you a little about my experiences with it.

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#1317193 - 12/03/09 01:09 AM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: TheGlassPassenger]
10fingers Offline
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Registered: 11/14/09
Posts: 298
Loc: CA
The consensus here seems to be that reliability is likely to be a non-issue, and the rest involves you balancing your preference for the 207 with the extra cost of the unit. Perhaps if you break it down to a difference over ten years, or whatever time frame you think is realistic, you'll get a clear picture of the value of going with your heart. For example, suppose you pay $500 more for the 207; that averages out at 14c a day for the DP of your dreams, and not kicking yourself every day, feeling awful that you could have had ...

Jonathan

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#1317243 - 12/03/09 04:14 AM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
trolls99 Offline
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Actually, the Yamaha CLP340 shoud be compared to the Roland HP203. The HP207 is another league. I wrote it before and I write it again: Since the 3xx series the Yamaha DPs are overpriced compared to their competitors.

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#1317247 - 12/03/09 04:41 AM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: trolls99]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Registered: 11/28/08
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Loc: Porto, Portugal
Masume, I think you're right in that I shouldn't rush my decision. But you know, as soon as you start the process of upgrading your piano you just can't think about anything else and you want it to finish!

TheGlassPassenger, I'm looking forward to hear your experiences with the HP207.

10fingers, looking at the price from that perspective really makes the difference seem irrelevant!

trolls99, I've also tested the HP203, but after testing the HP207 the HP203 plastic keys just doesn't convince me anymore.

I'll try to find a dealer that carries both models (CLP-340 and HP207) and try them side by side.

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#1317272 - 12/03/09 06:38 AM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
TimJP Offline
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 6
Loc: United States
I just paid $1999 for the HP203 here in the US. I am wondering if it would have been worth it to go the extra for the HP207. I tried to find the prices paid posts and could not find them.

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#1317434 - 12/03/09 10:39 AM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: TimJP]
TheGlassPassenger Offline
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 34
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: Timothy Phillips
I just paid $1999 for the HP203 here in the US. I am wondering if it would have been worth it to go the extra for the HP207. I tried to find the prices paid posts and could not find them.


I played the 203 yesterday and will be going in to play the 207 today. I'll be sure to drop by here and tell you about my experiences (both models will be in the showroom.)

I understand the sound is the same, with 207 having a better set of speakers, piano designer and ivory feel keys. Nothing groundbreaking, it just really depends on what you want from your DP.

Have a quick search online and see what prices you come up with. You could always try to go back to your dealer and see if you can do an exchange? I did this once with an upright. Took it home, saw another one I liked that was more expensive (only a little) and switched it for their showroom model of the superior one.

Good luck!

::EDIT::

Bought the HP207. Look at my thread for the reasons. Sounds like a dream with the Senn HD202s the store provided me. Also sounded great with my own earphones. Felt amazing, though the ivory feel of the CLP380 seemed a little nicer. No big deal though. I did play around with the CLP340 again. I think you'd be a very happy guy if you went with the 207. It's superior in specs, the rest is personal preference of course, but I think the 207 just sounds so much better.

Good luck with your search!


Edited by TheGlassPassenger (12/03/09 03:57 PM)

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#1317884 - 12/03/09 08:31 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: TheGlassPassenger]
TimJP Offline
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Registered: 12/02/09
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Loc: United States
Thank You for the input, I will probably trade up at some point. They told me that I could trade up anytime during the first two years and receive 100% of the purchase price for the 203.

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#1322060 - 12/09/09 06:43 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: TimJP]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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I've been reading about the specs of these two DPs (CLP-340 and HP207) and found out that the CLP-340 has a damper sensor, described on the Yamaha Clavinova Micro Site like this:

"Through the subtle timing of the actions of its hammers and dampers, a grand piano allows you to play the same note repeatedly with perfect articulation. In order to reproduce this effect, the GH3 keyboard and the NW (Natural Wood) keyboard use Yamaha’s original Damper Sensor in addition to two sensors that detect keystroke strength. This lets you repeatedly play the same note at the same high speed as on a grand piano."

They say most DPs only have two sensors and the CLP line has a 3rd sensor, hence the name GH3 Keyboard. Can anyone tell me if the Roland HP207 also has a damper sensor and how important might it be? Does the PHAII name implies that the Roland keyboard has only two sensors?

Best regards.

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#1322690 - 12/10/09 01:57 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
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Originally Posted By: PianoPeter73
They say most DPs only have two sensors and the CLP line has a 3rd sensor, hence the name GH3 Keyboard. Can anyone tell me if the Roland HP207 also has a damper sensor and how important might it be? Does the PHAII name implies that the Roland keyboard has only two sensors?

The Roland 207 has 3 (three) sensors in the PHA II with Escapement & fake Ivory keyboard.

I claim the PHA II w Esc & Ivory is better than the GH3 with Wood. The PHA II w Esc & Ivory has a 4-parts movement through the downward key action which is too simplified in the GH3 w Wood. But you should try it out yourself.

Try to detect by pressing a Roland key slowly, then fast, then half way, then all way. You should be able to detect the 4-parts key action:

1. Slight initial resistance.
2. Less resistance until halfway down (the drop)
3. Clear hammer swing action and heavier resistance
4. Escapement feeling when the hammer leaves the pusher (similar to the GH3), which takes advantage of the 3rd sensor, much like a real acoustic grand.

And then the real advantage:

5. The key swings back faster (GH3 does so too) than more regular/cheaper keys, for fast key repetition, when playing those rapid 64th notes in quick passages.


You should also compare the sounds.
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#1322815 - 12/10/09 04:52 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: Huygens]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Thanks Huygens for the detailed description of the keyboard mechanisms.

I will definitely take a closer look at both DPs keyboards in order to feel all those particularities you talk about. Next week I might be able to play both DPs on the same day so I'll get a better opinion on which suits me better.

Best regards.

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#1328658 - 12/18/09 08:55 PM Re: Roland HP207 vs Yamaha CLP-340 [Re: PianoPeter73]
PianoPeter73 Offline
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Today I had the chance to play the Roland HP207 and the Yamaha CLP-330 (they didn't have the CLP-340 on show) side-by-side. I played mostly with my Sennheiser headphones and the first thing that struck me was the difference in sound. If my decision were to be based merely on sound quality, then the HP207 would be a clear winner. I didn't like the sound of the CLP through the headphones at all! I don't know how to describe it, but I think it was even "agressive" to my ears. The HP207 on the other hand is much more warm and pleasant.

But then I came to the keyboard part and that's where I got divided. I went back and forth between one keyboard and another and I can't tell for sure which I liked the most. The HP207 keyboard as a nicer feel because of the ivory keys, but as opposed to what I've heard it seemed lighter than that of the CLP. I think I lack the experience to really compare the keyboards (I started playing only a year ago).

So, back to the beginning. HP207 or CLP-340? I just can't make up my mind. Maybe I'll wait for the Roland HP307, or maybe when this model comes up the HP207 goes down in price to make it even more appealing.

Best regards.

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